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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 17, 2011 11:30:08 GMT
Perhaps the standard was poor for why else could a 3 year old do so well? It is not physically let alone mentally possible for a 3 year old to be schooled to a high level. They are not capable of carrying themselves. This could of course be yet another example of heads being pulled in (please don't tell me a wilkie : and strong legs driving it forward - did someone say a man rode it? However, this does appear to be the standard more than acceptable for the show ring these days. i actually won this class and would like to say that all the ponies that competed where lovely and went well, so the standard wasnt poor..
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Post by Getalife on Oct 17, 2011 11:36:34 GMT
Do you all have nothing better to do that worry about a 'poor little' pony whos bones aren't developed and has been broken in too early..... What about the TB's racing around tracks every weekend, we don't have a thread on that do we?
Get a grip and worry about your own horses, not someone elses and if you think it is so cruel, ring the RSPCA and let them take it into one of their homes.
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Post by ellieraga on Oct 17, 2011 11:52:34 GMT
Getalife i think maybe you got out of bed the wrong side, or i hope you did and thats the excuse for such a stupid answer We all know that the majority of TBs that are raced at such a young age are totally knacked by the time they are five or six. We are commenting on this thread out of concern for a quality show pony that should have a long succesful career in front of it, if brought on in the correct caring manner .
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Post by bow1607 on Oct 17, 2011 12:00:26 GMT
quote....."What about the TB's racing around tracks every weekend, we don't have a thread on that do we?"
no, but there has been many in the past!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 17, 2011 12:21:47 GMT
Was this class affiliated or under rules, if so, i dont care who was riding it, the rules have been broken and i would want it disqualifying from the class, sorry but cant be one rule for one one rule for another ....... Very naughty if you ask me and setting a bad example to the amateurs that actually the rules donnt matter ??
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Post by avoid12 on Oct 17, 2011 12:27:14 GMT
Getalife, maybe you should do just that my dear! People care, do you know what that word means?! IMO the dartmoors take forever to develop correctly, they can live for many years, so why the rush? I will tell you why, for a silly bit of ribbon, i don't care who it belongs to, it is wrong, they should not have entered, rule or not. Now trot along and go and start a racehorse thread and i will say the same thing, wrong, wrong, wrong!
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Post by frozzy on Oct 17, 2011 12:30:36 GMT
So this pony was born the 10th of May 2008 and "Dont make assumptions" states that it was started into work in the January of 2011 which would make it 2 yrs 7 months old old when it started work. Sorry, you obviously knew you had a nice pony, but were too impatient to wait for it to get into the ring.
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Post by rules r rules on Oct 17, 2011 12:33:11 GMT
www.horsegossip.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=events&thread=102455&page=1#837449There must have been a rule broken, as if you read the above thread (hopefully the link has worked) the secretary of nw champs has posted her views, which it would seem is the view of the majority of posters on this thread, the show was very, very busy and if nobody complained on the day then how was she to know, like i said earlier in the thread it's the integrity of the owner/s that is to question and not whether a secretary has done their job properly, maybe the only mistake she made was to not state the ages of ponies on the schedule, but everybody know's the majority of shows state they must be 4 years or over to compete, and surely if it didn't state this then instead of just assuming it would be ok they should have contacted somebody in the office before entering the classes.
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Post by i was there on Oct 17, 2011 12:42:29 GMT
i saw this pony do both of his shows on saturday ,with the child he was ridden quietly and quite surprised that they made the top 10..with the male rider much quicker ,unsettled and being asked far too much 'I did not k now at anytime that this pony was a baby. Infact the male rider told the owner he was very unbalanced in his canter .I WAS SAT NEAR THEM ..this little pony did two shows that included individual go rounds and then two evening performances ..far too much and not just a little introduction
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Post by Just an assumption on Oct 17, 2011 12:52:08 GMT
I think you will find most ponies are broken in there 3rd year with the ponies age being calculated on 1st January .. As was this pony then turned away until recently when was brought back into work .. Not pinned in by an adult but rode at home once or twice a week by her 10 yeAr old daughter. Understandable people angry as was only 4 on 1st Jan in showing calendar. But to say the pony isn't being cared for is ludicrous what about all these poor welsh that travel the sales etc and starve .. This pony is happy, good home regular farrier, vet dentist visits .. Top food and loving family .. I wouldn't say that he is neglected as none of there ponies are .. They are all loved immensely
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Post by stavious on Oct 17, 2011 13:20:14 GMT
yes with possible damage being done to its limbs and structure... all the love it the world wont right this little chap once the damage is done, why the rush for a piece of ribbon? As for "get a life" bless you for your answer it made me chuckle.
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Post by mirosa on Oct 17, 2011 13:23:02 GMT
I think you will find most ponies are broken in there 3rd year with the ponies age being calculated on 1st January . So technically, a pony born in the final quarter of the year will be classified as a yearling on Jan 1st. a '4y/o' could be only 3 yrs & a few weeks. I wouldn't say that he is neglected as none of there ponies are .. They are all loved immensely No-one's said they're not loved & well looked after, I think. The concern is that they're not sufficiently mature to do what's being asked of them & their future health & well-being are being compromised. There IS a difference. I'm also concerned about people seeing youngsters ridden & competing this early & think it's OK to copy by using inappropriate bits & devices. I've seen too many promising animals ruined in my life & it doesn't get any less frustrating.
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Post by Guest 54 on Oct 17, 2011 14:03:02 GMT
I think you will find most ponies are broken in there 3rd year with the ponies age being calculated on 1st January . So technically, a pony born in the final quarter of the year will be classified as a yearling on Jan 1st. a '4y/o' could be only 3 yrs & a few weeks. Yes you are correct ponies compete at 3 that are 4 that year so if a foal was born in July it would be classed as a yearling from 1st January then 2 January after and 3 the January after. Then 4 the Jan after when can compete but won't be 4 in birthage till July. Alot of the producers ponies qualify hoys in this time do winter champs etc travel round county etc etc after getting them out to lots of winter shows . They also deal with alot more before they are 4 and most have been shown consistent in hand since a foal . I wouldn't say that he is neglected as none of there ponies are .. They are all loved immensely No-one's said they're not loved & well looked after, I think. The concern is that they're not sufficiently mature to do what's being asked of them & their future health & well-being are being compromised. There IS a difference. I'm also concerned about people seeing youngsters ridden & competing this early & think it's OK to copy by using inappropriate bits & devices. I've seen too many promising animals ruined in my life & it doesn't get any less frustrating.
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Post by fairleykismet on Oct 17, 2011 14:05:02 GMT
Understandable people angry as was only 4 on 1st Jan in showing calendar. Am i reading this wrong but wont the pony turn 4 in showing calander NEXT year?
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Oct 17, 2011 14:11:31 GMT
Now I am completely confused. Are you saying that this pony was officially 4 but really only three and a half?? If so - if its officially 4 its not against any rules is it.
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Post by sunnyday on Oct 17, 2011 14:26:37 GMT
Understandable people angry as was only 4 on 1st Jan in showing calendar. Am i reading this wrong but wont the pony turn 4 in showing calander NEXT year? Absolutely totally agree with the above, not classed as 4 until Jan 2012
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Post by Snowy on Oct 17, 2011 14:31:07 GMT
Now I am completely confused. Are you saying that this pony was officially 4 but really only three and a half?? If so - if its officially 4 its not against any rules is it. No, I think the pony is officially 3 as the pony's DOB if 2008. I have tried to resist commenting on this thread until the owners in question have had chance to comment, but I failed . I have a 3yr old D who isn't even broken yet (going away next week, but thats by the by) I hadn't even thought about even sitting on him until around May, so IMO to be even broken in January was way to early. Natives are known to be late developers, the first few years of a ponies life a crucial for both physical and mental development and I believe the work needed prior to the show would have been too much. (And in response to 4yr olds at HOYS I believe this is also too much to ask from a pony) I would think that Terry was not aware of the ponies age, as I am sure Terry wouldn't put a pony under such pressure at that young age. Was Terry only riding the pony or producing him? If the 1st it would be very easy for the owner's to say the pony was 4 and I don't think he would have questioned it, after all why would he?? I wouldn't have done. SO let's not drag his name through the mud. As said before there was nothing the sectary could have done if she wasn't informed on the day. To ask her to check every single entry for a show that is made up of 10 days is unreasonable, it isn't like there is a committee as big as that at BSPS, PUK, NPS, Breed Society's e.t.c that are able to check. It would be nice to think that people wouldn't do this but I'm clearly being very naive I would be very interested in the owner's response.
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Post by qbc on Oct 17, 2011 15:38:31 GMT
My lad is a reasonably late foal - end of June. This is why he did not start doing anything other than a couple of local shows until he was 5. Had I wanted to show him early in the year as a four year old, he would have had to be schooling from the age of 3.
I did back him at 3, but we did 5 mins twice a week at a walk and a trot if he went into it himself until he was 3 1/2 and only started schooling when he was 4. I also waited until he was truely 4 before he went out to shows.
I suppose it is all down to money and getting them out and getting ribbons so they can be sold at a profit as early as possible. Very sad and I wonder how many of these go on to be in work later in life. I intend to be still riding in 20 years on my lad - he will be 27 and I will be 68 so a couple of OAPs together.
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Post by cayo on Oct 17, 2011 16:16:17 GMT
I dont think the pony looked at all over schooled or worked for its age ,it was clearly very green, class was small 6 in it and most ponies very novicey which is proberley why he did so well so young .
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Post by kayjayem on Oct 17, 2011 16:57:39 GMT
I think you will find most ponies are broken in there 3rd year with the ponies age being calculated on 1st January .. I think you'll find they most certainly are not nearly all broken at 3!!
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Post by welshshowcobs on Oct 17, 2011 18:22:19 GMT
Please remember i did not bring terrys name into it to slate him,i ment that i doubt he would have known because it would not do his reputation any good if he had,and this i doubt,he probably assumed it was over 4 as most people dont say it is over 4 isnt it?
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Post by taxpayer on Oct 17, 2011 19:48:07 GMT
welshcobs if you did not mention his name to slate it..... WHY did you? Or was it to get more people to ,join in, on what seems to be another witch hunt. It would seem that he has made an error, surely with all the success he had, he wouyld not intentially tarnish this. I think that is your problem ..... his success welshcobs!
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Post by ellieraga on Oct 17, 2011 20:02:34 GMT
welshcobs if you did not mention his name to slate it..... WHY did you? Or was it to get more people to ,join in, on what seems to be another witch hunt. It would seem that he has made an error, surely with all the success he had, he wouyld not intentially tarnish this. I think that is your problem ..... his success welshcobs! I really dont think a witch hunt do you and please advice why you feel the need to hide behind a guest name ? Or are you maybe involved with this pony in some way ? Either way i dont really care and going back on topic the point is the pony was shown againest rules and people are trying to determine why this was actually done I for one am certainley not jealous of anyones success if they have broken the rules to do this, i feel any horse or ponies welfare is far more important than any red rossette. Before you start accusing people of being on a witch hunt maybe you should take into account that rules have obviousley been broken and people really dont care who by but i think have the ponies best intrests at heart.
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Post by Yogananda on Oct 17, 2011 20:02:48 GMT
That is a bit harsh taxpayer, I think welshshowcobs has explained herself and I don't see a witch hunt happening towards Terry, quite the opposite really as people are saying he probably didn't know the age of the pony, which would not imply and such witch hunt. I don't think anyone would take away from Terry his success at all, I think all that has been said is he probably had no idea, I think if so someone offers you the ride on their pony you would not automatically question it's age as you would presume the owner would be doing the right thing for their pony.
At the end of the day if the pony is underage, it should not have been shown and that really is all there is to it.
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Post by of course he knew on Oct 17, 2011 20:10:13 GMT
It hasn't exactly been kept on the down low this dartmoor has it..... its a star already lol. Any potential future owner will obviously Google it and look what will appear. Shame the same will happen for Terry eh
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Post by taxpayer on Oct 17, 2011 20:15:06 GMT
I have NO connection with said pony, jockey or owner.
It seems that Terry is widely known, so why does nobody have the gall to ring him and ask. NOT come on a public forum.
Yes i fully agree with all that everyone is saying in it being too young to go in the ring as a ridden pony. BUT...........
What buisness is it of yours...............NONE. So jog on!! Nobody has been hurt, no horse has been injured.
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Post by mushypeas on Oct 17, 2011 20:18:14 GMT
Fiesty one you are. You definately need to utilise your passions lol.
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Post by welshshowcobs on Oct 17, 2011 20:30:41 GMT
Haha defo a fiesty one.Listen if it hadnt been me it would have been someone else,i was just checking something.
Lay off,obviously you do have an issue taxpayer.I am happy for terrys success,i was there watching when he won with his d at hoys last year,very well done,and i normally enjoy watching him showing as he does bring out some nice stock,especially the d stallion he has,defo one of the top stallions in the north west,maybe england.
This was not against him and anyone else can see that,dont have an issue with him,i was confirming a detail?if your so upset that im having a go at him why dont you go and tell him yourself?
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Post by ellieraga on Oct 17, 2011 20:36:10 GMT
Taxpayer i think it is people business if people are breaking the rules and being allowed to get away with it, its incidents like this that results in showing getting a bad name.
Why dont you go for a jog and get rid of some of that anger as you are obviousley extremely frustrated, if this thread is bothering you then dont read it any longer, SIMPLES
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Post by mcw on Oct 17, 2011 20:36:58 GMT
Nobody has been hurt, no horse has been injured. Long term damage is all I can say. Anyway, why this pony was competing is none of mine or anybody elses business. It's their pony, their problem. People have to learn from mistakes. Rules are rules, you brake them, you pay the consequences. It's highly probable that the owners have seen or heard about this thread (in - fact they must have, as they posted on NWC results page the same day this thread was written), they've been given the opportunity to explain why this pony was competing. They haven't took it - there for they knew they were braking the rules before - hand.
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