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Post by peppercorn on Mar 17, 2012 12:13:28 GMT
I am purchasing a 1988 to 1993 7.5 lorry. I am tossing up betweeen a ford iveco or cargo, a leyland, a vw or a daf. Can anyone offer advice as to which are deisel guzzlers or which are good. Also if any are better for spares etc. just do not want to get landed with a 12 to the gallon job. any advice much appreciated.
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Post by silvester on Mar 17, 2012 12:19:54 GMT
I think cargos are now hard to get spare parts for, and they do rust well!!
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Post by nagrags on Mar 17, 2012 12:35:39 GMT
With the prices of fuel - ALL of them will cost a small fortune to run
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Post by jacksprat on Mar 17, 2012 18:13:59 GMT
leyland daf all day for me, uber reliable
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Post by baileybob on Mar 17, 2012 18:30:50 GMT
I am loving my current Iveco to drive, but have to say my old (F reg) Daf Roadrunner was actually more economical than my 4X4 by miles. It was fab, it only cost me £20 to go from Manchester to Warwick one day (filled up before I left and then again at Warwick services and it was just over £20 - I thought the pump was broken it was that cheap!!!!- my fuel gague didn't work so I used to work from full). Home to Somerford cost £18 towing in 4X4 and only £12 in old lorry. The new lorry is no where near as economical (the Iveco) but is very posh, shiny, pretty and lovely to drive so I forgive it ;D
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Post by sunnylynn on Mar 17, 2012 18:51:18 GMT
I've just added up the last 3 trips we have done in our lorry....we've done approx 70 miles since I last filled up a couple of weeks ago & I put £27.50 in on the way home today. We have a 1998 Daf fa45-130. I love my lorry, it runs fab....we took it to Lincs last year & I remember it not costing as much as I expected it to in diesel....however prices havce rocketed since last year so this year trip to Lincs will be more costly Nagrags is right tho....whatever lorry you get a lorry aint the most economical thing to run ps; hubby is a mechanic, he advises the Daf xx
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Post by network on Mar 17, 2012 19:46:27 GMT
I think cargos are now hard to get spare parts for, and they do rust well!! I have a Cargo that is 25 years old, never have problems getting parts, it has flown through its plating for the last three years, and it hasnt rusted Its not cheap to run but then I dont think any 6 litre lorry will be
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Post by dancer on Mar 17, 2012 19:50:22 GMT
We have a Daf 45-150 which carries 3 & a full tank will do approx 4 hour round trip - cost obviously depends on how much diesel is at the time I also have a Leyland Roadrunner which carries 2 so a much smaller (lighter) box & unfitted living - I haven't used it really for 2 years, it was much cheaper to run than the bigger lorry but the price of fuel was a lot less back then.
As everyone has said, lorries aren't cheap at the moment whatever you have but couldn't do without mine!
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Post by littlebriars on Mar 17, 2012 20:04:00 GMT
We tend to work on how much per hour it costs to run ours, when we first got Gertie (Mercedes 1114), 4yrs ago, it was £10.00 per hour. i.e a show 2hrs away (4hr round trip), we would put £40.00 of diesel in. Now working on £15.00 per hour - Not be going far this year :-( Not sure if this helps
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Post by peppercorn on Mar 17, 2012 20:08:55 GMT
Thank you for all replies. Am fed up with my 4 x 4 using 15 to gall when towing. Seem to have narrowed it down to a Ford cargo 813 or a VW Man. Sunnylynn please ask your husband if they are ok. Any advice so welcome. Would always advise someone with limited knowledge to take experienced person with them yet I m looking at horseboxes without backup. Thank you.
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Post by ROG on Mar 17, 2012 20:10:24 GMT
The manner in which you drive it will probably have the most effect on the MPG
Try never to come to a complete stop - that will mean looking and planning earlier as well as easing off much earlier than other road users will be expecting so be aware of that.
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Post by workingcob on Mar 17, 2012 20:22:25 GMT
Don't buy a Ford Cargo! They are notorious rust buckets - I had one that rusted through completely under the cab and several of my friends say the same. Desktop, your wagon must be the exceptional to the rule!
Whatever you get, take someone with you that knows what they are looking at - look underneath at the chassis and underside of the cab, look for rust patches which have been hastily covered up, suspicious welding on the chassis, rotting floorboards, dodgy wiring etc
If you buy a rotting deathtrap which looks pretty on the outside & has a nice living (I know, I've been there!) fuel economy will be the least of your worries
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Post by welshshowcobs on Mar 17, 2012 20:35:34 GMT
just asked me mum and she said it costs us £10 to get to tracey millwards for lessons which is 20 miles.and roughly an hour an half.ours is a mercedez,wouldnt have anything else.it pulls better uphill than a trailer.
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Post by dancer on Mar 17, 2012 21:03:49 GMT
just asked me mum and she said it costs us £10 to get to tracey millwards for lessons which is 20 miles.and roughly an hour an half.ours is a mercedez,wouldnt have anything else.it pulls better uphill than a trailer. Am I reading this right? It takes an hour & a half to do 20 miles? Or do you mean 20 miles there & 20miles back in that time?
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Post by skattyhatty on Mar 17, 2012 21:06:50 GMT
Keep away from the the ford cargo- to old - prone to serious rusting. Vw Man very good lorry, super to drive and has very good power not so good on fuel as the Daf which would,nt have the same spec in its cab but is a lighter lorry when it comes to weight. Alot depends on your load and the weight of your lorry in the first place!. How you drive your lorry will in the end decide on your fuel consuption.
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Post by sometime on Mar 17, 2012 21:32:04 GMT
Our lorry is an original b reg so ancient and it does about 25 to the gallon. it costs less to tax than OH's car and it it reliable its biggest trouble is that it is so old any spares have to be made for it, It is a Renault Dodge 100
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Post by nici on Mar 17, 2012 23:25:03 GMT
My Merc is 27 years old. She has just had an MOT - needed a couple of fairly expensive bits to pass, but "consumables" - exhaust and brake shoe linings, so while a bit more expensive than I'd hoped, nothing to worry about. Parts are still available new if required from Mercedes in Germany, so no difficult sourcing them. She goes to a commercial garage for pre-MOT work and they were very impressed with her condition structurally - chassis is very sound and engine starts first time every time. I'd recommend a Mercedes any day.
Fuel wise, well we don't do many long trips and it's difficult to judge as I've only ever filled the fuel tank to the top once - no point carry all that extra weight around when we're only pottering locally. We went down to South Wales in her last summer, 4-5 hours drive each way, mainly on rural roads. I put about £150 in the tank and that got us there and back.
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Post by nici on Mar 17, 2012 23:25:45 GMT
Our lorry is an original b reg so ancient and it does about 25 to the gallon. it costs less to tax than OH's car and it it reliable its biggest trouble is that it is so old any spares have to be made for it, It is a Renault Dodge 100 My Merc is A reg, so even older than your Dodge ;D
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Post by mosswood on Mar 17, 2012 23:54:03 GMT
Love my Merc too. Good sound body and so reliable. Parts can be a bit pricy but they go on for ever. I had the same comments as nici when mine went for its service. Fuel wise mine gets me from near Machester Airport to the RW and back on just under 3/4 of a tank.
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Post by cheekychops on Mar 17, 2012 23:55:05 GMT
I've got an 1988 dodge and it's fab.
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Post by Dipsy on Mar 18, 2012 7:43:25 GMT
We had a 1987 leyland road runner that we upgraded to an 2004 iveco eurocargo, but have been great and would highly recommend them! As for the fuel costs it's the price of the diesel not the economy of the lorry that's the problem :-(
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Post by sarahp on Mar 18, 2012 7:51:57 GMT
Likewise pleased with my N reg Merc, now for sale through no fault of its own having just sailed through its MOT. I was originally advised to have a Merc by a lorry mechanic as being reliable and not prone to breaking down, and have been very pleased with it. Sorry, no figures on fuel consumption to contribute though, I'd rather not know!
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Post by Philippa on Mar 18, 2012 8:26:10 GMT
My cargo is also 25 years old and is both economical and extremely tidy. I have had rusty ones in the past but this one is in exceptionally good condition and is far from a rust bucket.
I have seen many leyland dafs falling to bits and personally wouldnt touch one. Its all down to personal opinion and preference.
I know exactly where to get cargo parts and there is no shortage.
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Post by showingforfun on Mar 18, 2012 8:58:46 GMT
I love my 1991(J Reg) VW 8150Man-owned it for 9 years. Never needs any parts when going for testing and seems very economical. I live in Blackburn and a couple of years ago I could drive to Newark and back on £80 of diesel-probably be nearer £100 now. It did need a lot of welding last year but it is stored outside all year so weather has an effect on it.
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Post by pollycrystal on Mar 18, 2012 10:25:09 GMT
I have had a VW Man 1989 reg for 10 years and it has been brilliant, it does have a small amount of rust on the cab which hubby has filled, but it does live out all year. I dont actually know how many mpg it does but I do a lot of miles and don't seem to fill it up much. Diesel is expensive at the mo though. I am selling it now as have bought smaller one, pm me if you want details x
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Mar 18, 2012 13:42:18 GMT
I have a 21 year old merc 804 and have to say I really like it. It pulls really well, starts every time and is a pleasure to drive on a motorway, get into 5th gear and away you go for miles on end. I worked out that mine on a decent run does about 18mpg which is slightly more than our range rover pulling a trailer! Just had it mot'd and it passed no problem (phew!!). I was lucky in that when I bought it only last year I had known of it for a number of years and knew the lady I got it from and how she had looked after it since it got it at about 4 years old. Spares are also good to get.
Had to laugh when I was at HOYS I went to the Oakley stand (mines an original Oakley Lambourn so is a bit vintage:)) the sharp-suited sales guy obviously thought I was an interested party when I said if I could ask him a question and was noticeably gutted when I asked if I could get replacement transfers with Oakley Lambourn on them if I got mine re-sprayed. His colleague was impressed it was still on the go!
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Post by dawnie on Mar 18, 2012 13:45:14 GMT
We have a Cargo 811 1983 proper old bird! Parts did used to be an issue but the have now started making the parts again albeit abroad, due to demand. I was told it was due to a lot of these wagons still going strong abroad. Mine is a little rusty cosmetically but not where it matters. Its a company called Phillips from off the top of my head that supply parts, they are not expensive and very honest with delivery .. if something is out of stock they wont fob you off .. they tell you when next shipment is due, if it's in stock its with you within days. Its cheaper on fuel than the 4x4 and cheaper to tax and insure.
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Post by Redsky on Mar 18, 2012 14:43:13 GMT
Mine can beat all yours ;-) Ford D series, 1979!!! Old as the hills and probably cheaper to run than my vauxhall vectra. It has a 5.2l engine, rather slow but she can be forgiven seeing as she's a veteran. Obviously the d series then went on to become the cargo and both similarly prone to rot in the cab area, we did loads of work after we lifted the carpet in the cab and found it had more holes than swiss cheese, so check this out on whatever you buy. I think most 7.5 lorries seem to be fairly similar to run in regards to fuel consumption, have used several and seem to use a similar amount to mine. Fuel prices just shocking though whatever you drive :-(
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Post by Redsky on Mar 18, 2012 14:48:40 GMT
Mine can beat all yours ;-) Ford D series, 1979!!! Old as the hills and probably cheaper to run than my vauxhall vectra. It has a 5.2l engine, rather slow but she can be forgiven seeing as she's a veteran. Obviously the d series then went on to become the cargo and both similarly prone to rot in the cab area, we did loads of work after we lifted the carpet in the cab and found it had more holes than swiss cheese, so check this out on whatever you buy. I think most 7.5 lorries seem to be fairly similar to run in regards to fuel consumption, have used several and seem to use a similar amount to mine. Fuel prices just shocking though whatever you drive :-(
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Post by ceri on Mar 18, 2012 18:16:08 GMT
we,ve a leyland daf 150 r reg 1998 fantastic lorry will carry 4 large horses and good size living it,s 33ft in total but better on diesel than my 4x4 great to drive had a cargo 1988 before this one and the daf is better by far
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