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Post by chloesmum on Oct 20, 2012 8:02:30 GMT
Sorry if I am being thick here but just picked up on this on another thread and like fmm am confused!! So taking Guestless' request to start a seperate thread (as this is not about any particular judge) can anyone help me out and explain what is happening next year? From what I read on said other thread I am right in assuming that HOYS qualifiers are now also going to be held under TSR rules/society and therefore shows allocated HOYS qualifiers can now either affiliate to BSPS;NPS;PUK or TSR and judges appointed from any of their panels. whoop sorry forgot CHAPS and BSH. I am a bit confused as I don't know anything about TSR (which I gather is The Showing Register). Do they have judges assessments etc? How do they appoint judges? I appreciate HOYS do have their own rules but usually qualifiers are held under the rules of the appropriate society, is this all changing? or are TSR another showing society? A genuine plea for some information please!
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Post by gauntlet on Oct 20, 2012 8:10:44 GMT
The Showing Register have a very good website that explains everything in detail. Judges already on a panel can apply to TSR, they also have procedures for new judges including assessment. TSR rules are HOYS rules so makes it much simpler. The exciting part is that they are bringing costs down. Judges that are non showing members can join for free. Check out the website....... shows that run HOYS qualifiers can do so much cheaper.
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Post by gauntlet on Oct 20, 2012 8:13:24 GMT
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Post by Rockstar on Oct 20, 2012 8:18:24 GMT
My only worry about this is the Showing Register will end up running all of the HOYS qualifiers. This can only be a bad thing for the rest of the societies in the longer term. Does this therefore signal the end of some of our current showing organisations? And a monopoly of hoys by this new Showing Register who (with all due respect) has been around for 5 minutes and which appears to be very much under the control of HOYS....? I hope not but I fear so
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Post by overatdaknee on Oct 20, 2012 8:38:31 GMT
If you are contesting RIHS qualifiers then you would need to be a member of the usual society that holds these and if that membership still covers you for HOYS qualifiers then joining The Register would not be necessary?
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Post by Rockstar on Oct 20, 2012 8:39:38 GMT
Ah yes. Good point OATK!!!!
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Post by thelwell on Oct 20, 2012 8:57:48 GMT
The bit that makes me very apprehensive is that if a judge joins this society and they are say a starred show pony judge they will be able to judge shp's,m&m's,whp's in fact the whole bally lot even though they may have never judged one of these classes in their life. Can this be right? Or have I read this wrong
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Post by the showing register on Oct 20, 2012 9:00:18 GMT
Good morning - If riders wish to compete in RIHS qualifiers/Olympia, society championships etc or any HOYS Horse qualifiers they must be a member of the relevant society. If you want to go to a HOYS PONY qualifier then you can compete just on The Showing Register membership. Some riders are put off going to their local county show by the cost of a membership so we hope the £20 will help them to have a go. All HOYS qualifying classes are judged under HOYS rules. We also have the TSR/HOYS MasterClass for amateur riders - news and pics on our FaceBook page and other info on the web site - thanks Wendy
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Post by the showing register on Oct 20, 2012 9:06:28 GMT
Replying to Thelwall The Showing Register has a plaited pony panel and an M and M panel. You have to hold equivalent status with another society or submit a CV supporting your application.Judges will not be appointed across the panels unless they are eligible. Our plaited pony panel does include all the sections under one heading and we feel this is the way forward.
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Post by magpie on Oct 20, 2012 9:21:53 GMT
I am confused now - what constitutes a pony? Show pony, show hunter ponies. Do you in Luke working hunter ponies, minis. What about M&m's ridden and workers or just ridden? Needs to be clearer! How does this affiliate to HOYS - does this mean you would no longer need to be a member of BSPS in order to qualify HOYS as a show pony (I don't do show ponies just trying to understand?) does this apply to every show where there is a HOYS qualifier for show ponies?
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Post by dsmum on Oct 20, 2012 9:28:52 GMT
So for coloured we still need to be chaps and BSPA members for the pony classes....so how else does it help to be a member of the showing refister? Sorry to be dense!
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Post by the showing register on Oct 20, 2012 10:08:40 GMT
Hi again All pony qualifiers mean all the plaited pony and mm classes inc workers mini's and Int.
We are an alternative nothing more - but will be offering all sorts of other membership benefits over the course of the year entering HOYS pony qualifiers is only a small part of what we are doing.
For Amateur riders we are working with all the other societies to offer you TSR/HOYS MasterClass training classes at their shows ie CHAPS , BSHA etc all the details are on the web site.
Thanks Wendy
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Post by fudgecake on Oct 20, 2012 10:31:33 GMT
This is great news and will certainly help towards the finances. TSR - can you also get RIHS on board too?!!! This is a win win situation. Cheaper membership available to ordinary showing families . We can't justify paying large membership fees for just the handful of qualifiers would be able to attend. There are a huge number of showing families unable to attend their local county shows because they require membership to the current showing societies. I believe the classes will be a lot fuller now and its a win win situation all parties - the showing family, the show organisers and in levy fees. I'm in!!!
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Post by Rockstar on Oct 20, 2012 12:25:33 GMT
I understand what you're saying daysie but I'm worried about one society having the monopoly on the showing world. Having the RIHS qualifiers separate will ensure that this doesn't happen, those who want to do both can join bsps so not much will change. Those amateurs who want to do the hoys masterclass will be well suited to the Showing Register it seems.
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Post by mudpie on Oct 20, 2012 13:11:18 GMT
We have the problem that we like to support our local county show and the only class we can enter is a HOYS qualifier. This is fine as the pony is up to the standard of these classes but unfortunately my job will not allow me to have time off to go to HOYS if for some miracle we qualified. I don't want to take away somebody elses opportunity of going to HOYS so is there anyway the qualification could be passed down in this situation?
Hope this isn't too far off the original thread as i would be very pleased just to affiliate for just the local show we want to go to .
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Post by jakkibag on Oct 20, 2012 13:20:15 GMT
I Still don't understand And I looked at the website? Surely not all shows are going to sign up to TSR, so therefore you will still have to be a member of the society to get a hoys ticket if there are none in the area or within reasonable travelling distance? Or will all Shows be under TSR now?? Presumably if you have a horse or pony good enough (or you think they are good enough ) you will be a member of the societies anyway to do breed shows or their championship shows?? We are up in Scotland so very few Hoys Quals so in reality joining TSR is pointless, we have plenty of County shows but not many have qualifiers at them, so how will we benefit, very interested in this and potentially a good idea with the amateur masterclasses, but not really relevant to us if they are all based South of England etc? Thanks
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Post by the showing register on Oct 20, 2012 13:40:36 GMT
Good afternoon
I think it might help to explain that the HOYS rules allow a member of NPS, BSPS, P(UK) and TSR to enter any HOYS pony qualifier at any qualifying show regardless of who the show chooses to affiliate to. For the M and M classes you can add being a member of a breed society. As you can see it is quite open so we do hope to encourage riders to have a go. At a county show the £40 entry fee often includes a couple of tickets and you get your vehicle into the ground so it is quite a good deal for a family day out.
Regarding Scotland - hi ! - The Royal Highland had qualifiers last year so TSR membership would allow you to compete in the pony Q there . I know what you mean about the distance we are aiming to run some clinics / training classes for the MasterClass and if any one is talent spotted for the pathway then I think we will have to see if we can get some sponsorship to help with travelling. I have just had the same conversation with someone from West Wales. Wendy
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Post by paddy123 on Oct 20, 2012 14:26:20 GMT
ok, trying to get my head around this. Say for example i owned an intermediate srt and was a member of tsr. I could do the hoys qualifier at our local show. If i won would i qualify? Or would I then have to become a member of bsps also? Or is this membership a bit like riding hc in the qualifiers and even if you won you don't qualify? All a bit confusing...
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Post by the showing register on Oct 20, 2012 14:50:25 GMT
Hi paddy123
If you become a member of TSR (£20) it includes the owner , rider and horse or pony then you go to your local county show with your Int win a HOYS qualifier ( yippee!) and you go to HOYS nothing else to join or pay - hope that is clear - Wendy
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Post by titch on Oct 20, 2012 15:38:24 GMT
Sounds a bit cheaper but no different than any other society really?
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Post by fudgecake on Oct 20, 2012 15:42:04 GMT
Rockstar - the BSPS have, until recently had the monopoly on HOYS qualifiers for the SP SHP WHP etc. I was previously a member of the BSPS for 22 years. As a HP family we were lucky to qualify HOYS & RIHS and did well at the champs show. Now with own children just starting to show the price of membership is out of my reach - the money only goes so far, so we just stick to local and agricultural level. Our county show is 10 mins away but we cant enter the SP because we arent members. IMO our pony is good enough to have a go, and my philosophy is you have to be in it to win it. There are lots of ordinary grass roots showing families out there with lovely ponies capable of qualifying. TSR is one step to making showing at a high level more accessible and who knows everything my come right on the day and we qualify !!!!
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Post by Rockstar on Oct 20, 2012 15:48:59 GMT
I understand where you are coming from daysie. My concern is longer term...... I can see this heading in a worrying direction.....
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Post by the showing register on Oct 20, 2012 15:50:12 GMT
Hi Daysie Thank you for putting it in a nutshell - good luck and we hope you qualify !
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Post by paddy123 on Oct 20, 2012 16:26:04 GMT
Hi paddy123 If you become a member of TSR (£20) it includes the owner , rider and horse or pony then you go to your local county show with your Int win a HOYS qualifier ( yippee!) and you go to HOYS nothing else to join or pay - hope that is clear - Wendy That sounds amazing, hope this definately goes ahead!
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Post by Cefn farm Horses on Oct 20, 2012 17:24:16 GMT
Tsr is certainly making a play and breaking the monopoly held by the societies for so long. Tsr is also a truly commercial company and Plans look to be a foot for horses to follow suit - were does the leave the mainstream societies? Now is the time for the societies to pull together - remember Hoys hosts the finals on behalf of the associations - they are free at any time to drop the associations
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Post by tuppence on Oct 20, 2012 17:36:19 GMT
Tsr is certainly making a play and breaking the monopoly held by the societies for so long. Tsr is also a truly commercial company and Plans look to be a foot for horses to follow suit - were does the leave the mainstream societies? Now is the time for the societies to pull together - remember Hoys hosts the finals on behalf of the associations - they are free at any time to drop the associations But Mark, the individual socitie s weren't a monopoly and they were accountable to the members, which this new tsr isn't. I agree that at any time GM can dis-engage with all the showing associations and just do it's own thing.
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Post by Cefn farm Horses on Oct 20, 2012 18:05:52 GMT
granted monopoly probably the wrong phrase - but how accountable are the societies to their memberships as a whole. the main structure of each board contains many people who sit on other boards. all the societies are making a play for the adult member surely a potential conflict of interests. you dont see a board member of sainsburys on the tesco board! i am not suggesting anything here nor am i doubting any persons credibility. showing is at times it own worst enemy with various allegations been thrown about concerning topics in and out of the ring, placings, cinnections etc. if the societies are to survive then now is the time to work. as many people are aware i am standing for election to the bsha board and this is one area i do know something about and i am more than willing to disclose my credentials in this area. i am confident that few people could better my credentials in connection with shows etc
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Post by elmere on Oct 20, 2012 20:26:39 GMT
So you would pay £20 membership per year and then the normal entry fee on top?
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Post by coloured on Oct 20, 2012 20:33:45 GMT
I find it quite incomprehensible that an organisation that cannot even get an apostrophe in the right place on its website, despite being told about it, thinks it is able to take over running the showing world. Start small and work your way up. Telling the world that "YOU JOIN UP TO GAIN FROM OUR GREAT VALUE OFFERS BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY IN THE WAY THE ORGANIZATION IS RUN" The members have NO SAY in the way the organisation is run? Really? Well - speechless. Almost. (also irritated at US spellings - honestly - the devil is in the detail)
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 20, 2012 21:16:59 GMT
Good afternoon I think it might help to explain that the HOYS rules allow a member of NPS, BSPS, P(UK) and TSR to enter any HOYS pony qualifier at any qualifying show regardless of who the show chooses to affiliate to. For the M and M classes you can add being a member of a breed society. As you can see it is quite open so we do hope to encourage riders to have a go. At a county show the £40 entry fee often includes a couple of tickets and you get your vehicle into the ground so it is quite a good deal for a family day out. Regarding Scotland - hi ! - The Royal Highland had qualifiers last year so TSR membership would allow you to compete in the pony Q there . I know what you mean about the distance we are aiming to run some clinics / training classes for the MasterClass and if any one is talent spotted for the pathway then I think we will have to see if we can get some sponsorship to help with travelling. I have just had the same conversation with someone from West Wales. Wendy With no disrespect to the very excellent RHAS, the Scottish Horse Show holds HOYS Q's for all sections [other than the Welsh in the Mountain and Moorland (not simply mm, as described above!) Ridden Section]. That includes the BSPS 'Flat' SP and SHP classes which are not actually qualifiers at the RHAS.
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