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Post by abiandem on Aug 10, 2013 6:57:25 GMT
Whilst i agree there are were alot of clears yesterday, i must say that the course i thought was one of the better ones, the ring was great, going almost perfect (a little greasy from the rain) the course was a good height, lovely and flowing and well dressed, and for once the jockeys all seemed happy, there is a fine line between having a competition and then the apparent carnage of the Ri when the kids qualify over tiny tracks and are not equipped to deal with the finals , interestingly enough whilst the older experienced jockeys rode the finals well it was very apparent with the 13h course,, course builders have a difficult job trying to find the balance i think, (just my opinion) and it was lovely to watch the worker ponies yesterday being allowed to go forward and jumping out of their rythmn as they would out hunting .
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Post by minerva on Aug 10, 2013 6:59:24 GMT
Anyone have the Bs marks? Thanks!
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Post by pipandwill on Aug 10, 2013 8:32:26 GMT
I personally didnt think the course was particularly up to height, but well dressed fences
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Post by zara on Aug 10, 2013 10:20:05 GMT
The conformation judge really crusified some good combinations
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Post by amymullet on Aug 10, 2013 10:45:08 GMT
Does anyone have the d/f/h marks yet please? Thanks
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Post by juliet77 on Aug 10, 2013 11:49:27 GMT
The conformation judge really crusified some good combinations Does anybody know the background of the conformation judge? None of my very knowledgeable friends knew of her. If her marks are out of 50 then they were an insult to many of the lovely ponies forward yesterday. Maybe she is not very keen on M and M's? The overall impact of using such a low range of conf marks is that the ride mark becomes more influential than it should be.
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Post by gundogs on Aug 10, 2013 13:33:51 GMT
Just a Question on Friday Performace, There was a Palomino Section D stallion That was In Hand does anyone know his name and where is he from?
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Post by connie on Aug 10, 2013 14:03:24 GMT
The conformation judge really crusified some good combinations Does anybody know the background of the conformation judge? None of my very knowledgeable friends knew of her. If her marks are out of 50 then they were an insult to many of the lovely ponies forward yesterday. Maybe she is not very keen on M and M's? The overall impact of using such a low range of conf marks is that the ride mark becomes more influential than it should be. If it was Overton Ablitt then she is a very renowned welsh breeder and has judged a lot esp M&M's so would be very surprised if none of your knowledgeable had heard of her.
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Post by juliet77 on Aug 10, 2013 14:31:50 GMT
Does anybody know the background of the conformation judge? None of my very knowledgeable friends knew of her. If her marks are out of 50 then they were an insult to many of the lovely ponies forward yesterday. Maybe she is not very keen on M and M's? The overall impact of using such a low range of conf marks is that the ride mark becomes more influential than it should be. If it was Overton Ablitt then she is a very renowned welsh breeder and has judged a lot esp M&M's so would be very surprised if none of your knowledgeable had heard of her. it wasn't Mrs Overton Ablitt, of course we know who she is! it was Mrs D Collinson doing conf
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Post by ashfield1 on Aug 10, 2013 14:32:37 GMT
Overton Ablitt replaced Mrs D Hesford as the ride judge. Mrs D Collinson was the confirmation judge in the HOYS M & M flat classes.
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Post by magpie on Aug 10, 2013 14:51:16 GMT
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Post by connie on Aug 10, 2013 14:57:43 GMT
Ok I read that wrong I thought it was the replacement you didn't know so apologies.
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Post by samjl on Aug 10, 2013 15:00:19 GMT
Can I just say that you are allowed to use the marks however you wish, Im sure it was not meant to be derogatory to the ponies being judged just how that judge decided to use the marks on that day! All the marks were fairly consistent. Only if one judge decides to use all of the range of marks and the other doesn't then the judge using the whole range of marks is the only one judging the class. Surely the only fair way to use the marks is BOTH judges have to decide which range of marks they will use?
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Post by corteener on Aug 10, 2013 16:32:57 GMT
HOYS course today was actually a very nice track to ride, but yet again far too many clears!!! over 10 in the 15hh, although a very well deserved winner, I think it is getting ridiculous how many clears there are now in the worker classes .... the proper jumping ponies do not get as much credit as so many can go clear I totally agree Katie, there was like 10 clears in the 14s as well, I am getting annoyed with the workers being a beauty contest at the moment and that it is all down to the show and conformation. Workers should be based on performance ie jumping clears etc Fully agree!!!! is there always this many clears in hoys qualifiers? In previous season I have never done this many, but the difference from RI to HOYS courses this year has been awful!!! RI courses were brilliant, with a few clears in each and good jumping being rewarded, yet in hoys it is quite normal for half the class to be clear!!!
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Post by corteener on Aug 10, 2013 16:36:15 GMT
Whilst i agree there are were alot of clears yesterday, i must say that the course i thought was one of the better ones, the ring was great, going almost perfect (a little greasy from the rain) the course was a good height, lovely and flowing and well dressed, and for once the jockeys all seemed happy, there is a fine line between having a competition and then the apparent carnage of the Ri when the kids qualify over tiny tracks and are not equipped to deal with the finals , interestingly enough whilst the older experienced jockeys rode the finals well it was very apparent with the 13h course,, course builders have a difficult job trying to find the balance i think, (just my opinion) and it was lovely to watch the worker ponies yesterday being allowed to go forward and jumping out of their rythmn as they would out hunting . I also agree here that the course was actually very good like I mentioned earlier, I don't know what else the course builder could have done but there were too many clears. Think the course has been slated more here because there was so many clears. The course was actually by far one of the nicest ones all year, but just didn't sort the men from the boys.
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Post by F1J4 on Aug 10, 2013 18:31:20 GMT
Virgil from Julie templeton show team was int SH champion giving a beautiful account of himself!
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Post by Bascule101 on Aug 10, 2013 19:25:07 GMT
Whilst i agree there are were alot of clears yesterday, i must say that the course i thought was one of the better ones, the ring was great, going almost perfect (a little greasy from the rain) the course was a good height, lovely and flowing and well dressed, and for once the jockeys all seemed happy, there is a fine line between having a competition and then the apparent carnage of the Ri when the kids qualify over tiny tracks and are not equipped to deal with the finals , interestingly enough whilst the older experienced jockeys rode the finals well it was very apparent with the 13h course,, course builders have a difficult job trying to find the balance i think, (just my opinion) and it was lovely to watch the worker ponies yesterday being allowed to go forward and jumping out of their rythmn as they would out hunting . I also agree here that the course was actually very good like I mentioned earlier, I don't know what else the course builder could have done but there were too many clears. Think the course has been slated more here because there was so many clears. The course was actually by far one of the nicest ones all year, but just didn't sort the men from the boys. Could the difference between the volume of clears at RI and HOYS qualifiers not be partly attributed to the possibility that many competitors are jumping better rounds now as we are in peak season as opposed to snow covered arenas such as back in late march for the winter champs. However, this does not stop the fact that double figures of clears is incredibly frustrating. Some of the RI qualifiers were over height (I prefer that) and thus meaning that there was only 1 clear or even 1 pole being the best performance. At least that way whoever qualifies will definately get round and not be massively overfaced when they reach the finals, as was illustrated very clearly at RI
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Post by jack1685 on Aug 10, 2013 21:26:59 GMT
I don't agree with the m&m ridden conf judge being able to use the range of marks however she wishes. What she is effectively saying is that all or most of the ponies are below average. There was no higher conformation mark than 30 of all the sections. Surely the ponies higher up the line should be getting mid-high 40s? This is unless she thought that the marks were out of 30 or 40, in which case she should really know better being a hoys judge, or if she wasnt sure ask!!
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Post by corteener on Aug 11, 2013 9:19:16 GMT
I also agree here that the course was actually very good like I mentioned earlier, I don't know what else the course builder could have done but there were too many clears. Think the course has been slated more here because there was so many clears. The course was actually by far one of the nicest ones all year, but just didn't sort the men from the boys. Could the difference between the volume of clears at RI and HOYS qualifiers not be partly attributed to the possibility that many competitors are jumping better rounds now as we are in peak season as opposed to snow covered arenas such as back in late march for the winter champs. However, this does not stop the fact that double figures of clears is incredibly frustrating. Some of the RI qualifiers were over height (I prefer that) and thus meaning that there was only 1 clear or even 1 pole being the best performance. At least that way whoever qualifies will definately get round and not be massively overfaced when they reach the finals, as was illustrated very clearly at RI Yes that could well be the reason but I can still see a huge difference in the standard of courses between the RI and HOYS qualifiers, I don't know whether this has always been the case, whether courses are getting easier, or whether ponies are getting better? Either way, like you said, lots of clears is very frustrating!!
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Post by Bascule101 on Aug 11, 2013 9:32:50 GMT
Could the difference between the volume of clears at RI and HOYS qualifiers not be partly attributed to the possibility that many competitors are jumping better rounds now as we are in peak season as opposed to snow covered arenas such as back in late march for the winter champs. However, this does not stop the fact that double figures of clears is incredibly frustrating. Some of the RI qualifiers were over height (I prefer that) and thus meaning that there was only 1 clear or even 1 pole being the best performance. At least that way whoever qualifies will definately get round and not be massively overfaced when they reach the finals, as was illustrated very clearly at RI Yes that could well be the reason but I can still see a huge difference in the standard of courses between the RI and HOYS qualifiers, I don't know whether this has always been the case, whether courses are getting easier, or whether ponies are getting better? Either way, like you said, lots of clears is very frustrating!! There does appear to be. Difference between HOYS and RI qualifiers, in that, the RI qualifiers are like hunting tracks and are generally more flowing. Whereas, the HOYS tracks ,in general, (excluding Cheshire county for example - great track) are more show jumping orientated (much like HOYS itself) and tend to be smaller which generally creates more clears. Ultimately, it boils down to the course builder. I can guarantee the Scottish qualifiers with said course builder will either build a very up to height course that is also technical or an extremely technical course that is of average height producing very few clears. Whereas, other places (both HOYS and RI) have a reputation for being small, stithians (never jumped it but many say it is very small) for example. Although, they vary, I wa told 'North' (should say central:L) of England was always big, glad I didn't go....
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Post by hairy on Aug 11, 2013 10:08:51 GMT
Dunkery Wigeon won the smalls confined novice kingsford final. He was also pulled top in the hoys des but unfortunately had a spook in his gallop Has anyone got the marks for this class please?
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Post by samjl on Aug 11, 2013 11:01:56 GMT
The conformation judge used roughly the same range of marks as the performance judge therefore it didn't make any difference to the overall outcome...if she had used the marks from 40 to 50 the result would be the same. The mark is not a reflection of the quality of animals just how the judge used her marks? I hope! as mine only got 23 lol
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Post by welshiegirl on Aug 11, 2013 15:43:13 GMT
using 20-30's is only the same as using 40's-50's IMO. I do think though if one judge is using the lower end then so should the other, but as samjl said, even if the judge had used higher marks the outcome would have been the same
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Post by welshiegirl on Aug 11, 2013 15:43:13 GMT
using 20-30's is only the same as using 40's-50's IMO. I do think though if one judge is using the lower end then so should the other, but as samjl said, even if the judge had used higher marks the outcome would have been the same
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Post by abigail on Aug 11, 2013 15:56:13 GMT
Who won the hoys d's
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Post by lakelandquest on Aug 11, 2013 15:58:12 GMT
HOYS m&m Dales/Fell/Highland marks if anyone has them much appreciated x
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Post by willyymint on Aug 11, 2013 16:25:49 GMT
The conformation judge used roughly the same range of marks as the performance judge therefore it didn't make any difference to the overall outcome...if she had used the marks from 40 to 50 the result would be the same. The mark is not a reflection of the quality of animals just how the judge used her marks? I hope! as mine only got 23 lol Hi understand your rational however going on yourr principle your cob only achieved 46% when compared against the breed standard when marked against 50 however using the same out of 40 your cob achieved 65%. You can see it doesake a difference.
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Post by shelliewilson on Aug 11, 2013 20:20:06 GMT
I also agree that although it wouldnt have made much difference in the outcome of the results if the confo judge had used 40-50, but on the otherhand I find it rather embarrasing that a pony can qualify hoys with a confo mark of 26!!! This surely tells me that the confo judge did not like any animal under her and if she did she surely would have put 1 or 2 ponies with a higher confo mark to reflect that! I also agree that if the highest in the d class was 26 I would bloody love to see a 50 cob as there was some amazing animals in there!
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Post by abigail on Aug 11, 2013 20:51:33 GMT
What got the d ticket
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Post by shelliewilson on Aug 11, 2013 22:48:39 GMT
Has anyone got any other mark sheets for the hoys welsh? Keen to see what marks other sections got other than the c's
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