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Post by lisadundee on Mar 25, 2014 11:08:10 GMT
My stallion was scoped this morning and it's confirmed he has severe stomach ulcers, as some of you may know I have struggled with his weight over the last year and can't get weight on him, please can I have any advice on stomach ulcers, what to feed, how you deal with your own horses with ulcers??
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Post by sjw87 on Mar 25, 2014 11:14:54 GMT
As much turnout as possible, hay (ad lib) rather than haylage.
Alfalfa and micronised linseed with beet as hard feed.
Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by shakira on Mar 25, 2014 13:32:16 GMT
Sorry to hear Lisa :-(. Saracen Equijewel I am pretty sure is fantastic for horses for stomach ulcers. I use it on any of mine which I need to gain weight on. It's a low starch, high calorie rice bran. Contact them and see what they say. saracenhorsefeeds.com/eventing/33-equi-jewel
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Post by shakira on Mar 25, 2014 13:34:54 GMT
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Post by peds on Mar 25, 2014 13:57:27 GMT
My filly had Grade 4 ulcers. She had several months worth of Gastroguard, she loved out 24/7, has ad-lib hay, 3 small feeds a day. Top Spec fibre plus nuts, chaff and micronised linseed, I got 60kg on her in 3 weeks on this.
Always make sure your boy has a base layer of fibre, so of he's being worked make sure he has either hay before it a handful of chaff, it helps prevent the acidic fluid splashing around his belly.
GG will also only work on certain placed ulcers, ie how far neck they are.
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Post by clifton on Mar 25, 2014 16:06:47 GMT
Tumeric! studies have indicated that turmeric (at appropriate doses) can enhance the healing of gastric ulcers via an increase in gastric wall mucus production. Further, turmeric has been shown to have an antispasmodic effect on the gastro-intestinal tract. turmeric facebook user group ask on there if anyone has positive results. did see something the other day with regard to ulcers it has been thought for years it was too much acid and it has now been found that it is not enough acid but I can't find it now
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Post by lisadundee on Mar 25, 2014 16:07:01 GMT
They are upper and lower ulcers, the vet has given me gastro guard, told me no carbs or starch, only high fibre and high oil, but he does really have turnout at my mums but is in work but if I take him home he has turnout but I can't work him from home, I can't do right for wrong.
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Post by brt on Mar 25, 2014 17:08:37 GMT
Another vote for Equi jewel !
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Post by Pepper on Mar 25, 2014 21:35:53 GMT
Equi-jewel
Try aloe Vera used by humans for ulcerative colitis. Shown benefit in horses. Will do no harm
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Post by sally1999 on Mar 25, 2014 23:16:38 GMT
i managed to get weight on a very underweight irish draught that has been diagnosed with bad stomach ulcers using baileys ultra grass and soaked grass nuts and simple systems balancer he is out all day with ad lib hay at night good luck
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Post by bronco on Mar 25, 2014 23:22:32 GMT
try Succeed. A friend used it and definitely saved her horses life, the vet wanted to put him down, but she wouldn't, and he recovered after Succeed. Google it!
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Post by flo1 on Apr 11, 2014 11:17:09 GMT
it has been thought for years it was too much acid and it has now been found that it is not enough acid Then why does Omeprazole (GastroGard) (which as a proton pump inhibitor works on the cells of the stomach walls to reduce the production of stomach acids) work? Following your logic such drugs would exacerbate the problem.
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Post by lisadundee on Apr 12, 2014 11:07:54 GMT
At the minute he is on a scoop of dengie healthy tummy, a cup of grass nuts, he gets the top spec and the baileys outshine twice a day. He also gets a large tub of readigrass every day and every night and always has hay or haylage in his net. He gets three feeds a day and I have just cut his gastrogard down to half a syringe a day. He has definitely put on weight and his hind gut has dropped a lot instead of being so run up. He is actually eating now too which he wasn't before, I have started adding brewers yeast to his feed as the gastrogard will stop soon and I will then have him re scoped and see where we are then
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Post by lisadundee on Apr 23, 2014 21:53:34 GMT
I have googled the succeed and I'm going to have a word with my vet about it when he's next scoped and think I'm going to put him on the Saracen releve and equijewel, am I right in thinking this would be instead of his top spec balancer, is the saracen fed in balancer quantities or as a normal feed, just wondering roughly how long it's going to last? I've just brought him home to cover the mares and he's turned out but he's not eating his feed at all again. His course of gastrogard finished just before i brought him home.
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Post by BSH on Apr 24, 2014 6:40:33 GMT
Try Protexin acid ease after your gastroguard, it's worked wonders on one of mine.
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Post by sarahp on Apr 24, 2014 16:22:32 GMT
Equijewel is a high oil supplement rather than a balancer. Why not talk to the nutritionists at the feed companies involved for their advice?
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Post by lisadundee on Apr 24, 2014 19:20:20 GMT
Equijewel is a high oil supplement rather than a balancer. Why not talk to the nutritionists at the feed companies involved for their advice? Yea so it sounds like a similar product to baileys outshine?
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Post by sarahp on Apr 25, 2014 7:39:37 GMT
Yes, but may not be exactly the same, you'd have to go into it in more detail than I know!
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Post by ashleigh19 on Jun 21, 2014 19:37:30 GMT
How much is a scope please? X
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Post by woldse on Jun 22, 2014 5:07:52 GMT
Succeed is the way forward to start with. Then protextin acid ease.
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Post by gaitedrider on Jun 22, 2014 13:36:04 GMT
They are upper and lower ulcers, the vet has given me gastro guard, told me no carbs or starch, only high fibre and high oil, but he does really have turnout at my mums but is in work but if I take him home he has turnout but I can't work him from home, I can't do right for wrong. You are fortunate to have the option to take him home. He should not be expected to work with ulcers that bad. I would take him home for thirty days and let his stomach heal. 30 days of rest and healing time might very well head off a major colic issue that could possibly have dire results. Do you have Omeprazole in the UK? I am in the U.S., my vet sells me liquid Omeprazole to treat serious stomach ulcers. I also have a horse with hind gut ulcers, he is on "Succeed" for the rest of his life. You would have to call the company and talk to them regarding the products efficacy where your horse is concerned. www.succeed-equine.com/
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Post by ashleigh19 on Jun 22, 2014 13:47:52 GMT
Is succeed a cure or preventative?
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Post by larkhaven on Jun 22, 2014 13:59:34 GMT
I can really recommend Allen and Page FastFibre. I nearly lost a little mare as a 2 year old and she now has IBS, not the same I kmow, but cannot tolerate any conditioning feed, grains, etc. Looks fab on this feed.
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Post by flo1 on Jun 22, 2014 14:34:51 GMT
Do you have Omeprazole in the UK? I am in the U.S., my vet sells me liquid Omeprazole to treat serious stomach ulcers./ It's licensed under the Brand name 'Gastrogard'in the UK, the OP's horse has been prescribed this.
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Post by ballywildrick on Jun 23, 2014 9:18:41 GMT
Forever living aloe vera gel 60ml for 14.2hh morn and night and comfort gut. Really does work wonders. Constant supply of hay etc
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Post by lisadundee on Aug 21, 2014 8:11:32 GMT
Well he has just had almost 3 months turned out on good grass with a friend and away from any mares and looks no fatter to be honest, he is going for another scope this afternoon and coming back in to work next week. I've been thinking of putting him on the fast fibre and equijewel and he already gets valleyview feeds ulcer supplement
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Post by diadem on Aug 21, 2014 9:21:15 GMT
I would go with the vet and only give what he has prescribed. Unless he's happy with your suggestions. I don't think changing a product at this point would be a good thing to do IMVHO. He should be treated like an invalid, not covering, he's unwell and I doubt would be fertile whilst his body is fighting this. Good luck, hope he feels better soon xx
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Post by lisadundee on Aug 21, 2014 10:16:20 GMT
I would go with the vet and only give what he has prescribed. Unless he's happy with your suggestions. I don't think changing a product at this point would be a good thing to do IMVHO. He should be treated like an invalid, not covering, he's unwell and I doubt would be fertile whilst his body is fighting this. Good luck, hope he feels better soon xx He has a course of gastro gard each time he is scoped prescribed by the vet, today will be his third scoping and we had improved down to a grade 2 last time from grade 3 ulcers the first time he was scoped. The vet has recommended a high oil, high fibre diet with no starch hence why I am looking at feeds as were approaching winter and he has his grading in November. He covered two mares in April and was obviously fertile as they both caught first time, and this did not affect his ulcers as like I say they had improved to a grade 2 at his last scope which was after he had covered.
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Post by lisadundee on Aug 21, 2014 12:58:59 GMT
Good news his ulcers have now gone, there was a slight reddening but that's it, the vet also recommended the equijewel so I will invest in some of that
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Post by diadem on Aug 21, 2014 13:32:14 GMT
Awesome glad you got to the bottom of it all x
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