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Post by greyhorse on Apr 24, 2014 5:26:02 GMT
Hi everyone, sorry for second post of the week!
In the ring what do judges generally look for? Something quite powerful and forward, slow and steady or a mix of both?
I've seen a lovely pony with potential however he is very forward and very strong and I'm wondering is this will be too hard to work with? He did go into a lovely outline he was just super strong and did not want to stop when asked! Is this something that can be solved?
Thanks
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Post by aura on Apr 24, 2014 12:43:01 GMT
What type of horse is it your looking at?
I would not expect a hack, hunter, sp ect to look strong and pulling however this may be more acceptable in say a Welsh cob class.
I would also look at the bit they are using and if it's a problem due to pain.
I would expect my horse to be in a natural outline at a controlled pase but have enough power to when asked extend.
Personally, I would stay clear of buying a pony I found too strong at home and generally an animal tends to be more excitable and stronger at a show and there is the risk of accidents.
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Post by sarahp on Apr 24, 2014 12:47:25 GMT
It may appear to be more acceptable in a Welsh Cob class, but why on earth should it? I'm a Welsh Cob breeder and in my personal opinion they should be as light, obedient and mannerly as any other horse or pony!
I'd say it would also depend on the age and level of schooling of the pony as to whether it is a possible project to reschool it.
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Post by roxy93 on Apr 24, 2014 14:10:04 GMT
I think some of these cobs in the ring now are awful, clearly going 100 miles an hour to make them look like they have big movement but it all looks rushed and forces, I would much prefer to see a cob that has natural big movement but look as light as a feather to ride. I also have a hack he has very big floaty movement completely different to my cob mare and again he has his own relaxed pace but covers the ground he again is very light to ride. In the show horse classes it is rare to see anything too forward going but I think in the welsh classes this is becoming more noticeable in the ring. I have even noticed the first ridden ponies to also be going a lot faster than I did when I was in them!!
I have rode a horse like you are describing he had been taught to fly around the ring, it is not comfortable and if they have been schooled like that then it will be very hard to get them out of it. x
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Apr 24, 2014 16:09:19 GMT
Hi, is this in relation to a Connemara? Just recalled your other post. In which case, connies (as should all horses in the ring!) generally are required to go forward nicely, not rushing and pulling like a train. Nicely balanced, nice outline showing freedom of movement. With regards to it pulling, as others have said, depends on age and schooling whether it can be taught otherwise.
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Post by greyhorse on Apr 24, 2014 16:26:40 GMT
Hi! Thanks everyone!
Pony is a Connie that had been used for hunting however looks beautiful and goes in a lovely outline! Just lacking in the brake department!
It's more of a excitement forward going thing than naughty I think and I feel it may be correctable with schooling but then again I'm not sure?
On the ground pony is quiet but a little ''looky" nothing too dramatic though!
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Post by nici on Apr 24, 2014 23:03:28 GMT
Forward going is a good thing - as long as it's part of a balanced package. I would describe my daughter's little C as very forward going - halt to gallop at the slightest touch - but she is responsive all round - the steering and brakes are as responsive as the accelerator! My daughter, who is only 10, hunts her in a loose ring happy mouth snaffle, with no pulling or braking issues at all. We don't really show any more, but when watching show ponies (in the inclusive sense, not just the plaited polished sort) I love to see forward moving responsive ponies, ridden in a soft elastic contact, not pulling like trains with their heads pulled in to their chest...
To me "goes in a lovely outline" and "lacking in the brake department" seem rather mutually exclusive. If the pony is being ridden correctly into a soft contact, and is responsive to its rider, the brakes should be effective. Personally I would steer well clear of ponies without brakes, however pretty their outline appears to be.
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Post by Pepper on May 1, 2014 20:01:41 GMT
May I ask strong, or leaning..... On heavy locked hands?
Quality schooling may rectify this
I speak from slight experience, branding my hunter as 'strong' but soon found out it was me locking my left elbow to protect a bad back and he was leaning. Hard work later, he was light, and not strong all!
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Post by greyhorse on May 2, 2014 7:22:41 GMT
Thanks everyone! I tried the pony again but found the same and didn't buy! A shame really but i think my confidence would have been severely knocked!
I think it was more of a wanting to go go go rather than leaning , for example if I asked for slow the head came up and I ended up rushing around in canter getting faster and faster.
Shame really as the pony was lovely otherwise!
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Post by sundance20 on May 2, 2014 9:10:41 GMT
It may appear to be more acceptable in a Welsh Cob class, but why on earth should it? I'm a Welsh Cob breeder and in my personal opinion they should be as light, obedient and mannerly as any other horse or pony! I'd say it would also depend on the age and level of schooling of the pony as to whether it is a possible project to reschool it. This completely
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Post by waspblue on May 6, 2014 7:23:21 GMT
It may appear to be more acceptable in a Welsh Cob class, but why on earth should it? I'm a Welsh Cob breeder and in my personal opinion they should be as light, obedient and mannerly as any other horse or pony! I'd say it would also depend on the age and level of schooling of the pony as to whether it is a possible project to reschool it. This completely Couldn't agree more with both these comments, also dislike seeing too many people these days using extreme bits to compensate for lack of schooling, suppleness and lightness, as I feel this also suggests a lack of manners in an animal, which is something that is supposed to be taken into account when being judged. Particularly dislike seeing ponies in Swales bits being kicked to go forward, then when they do the rider then hauls on their mouth and they end up going up and down, rather than forward, and with their chin on their chest.
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