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Post by Wondering? on Jul 6, 2014 12:02:47 GMT
I'm posting this as a guest because I don't want to get black-marked as a complainer with a society that I value.
Yesterday at NCPA Staffs in the HOYS M&M classes, placings were not always awarded to 10th in the ring as per my understanding of the HOYS rules. It seemed to vary a bit across the classes, sometimes 6 or sometimes 8 brought forward (maybe sometimes 10; I didn't watch every class). The steward said that as there were only 6 rosettes there was no point in calling to 10th, but the placings to 10th would be marked on the mark sheet. I'm sorry, but who is going to stay until after all the HOYS classes to find out at 5pm that they were 7th, 8th or 9th at 10am? In these huge classes it is a success to get any kind of top 10 placing, and being pulled forward and doing a lap of honour is really important: for the rider's morale, for the pony being seen as 'up there', and for many the best that they may ever achieve in these classes. For some that lower placing could be the only HOYS class result they get all season. At the cost of the entries it's poor and very disappointing.
I think it would have been better to bring forward all of the top 10 even if there were insufficient rosettes. At least the riders would know and would do a lap of honour and come out of the ring feeling a sense of achievement rather than feeling very flat and a bit short-changed.
What do you think? Have I misinterpreted the HOYS rules?
Sorrym, I know it s weedy to post as a guest rather than speak to the show but I wonder if I've got things wrong?
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Post by Philippa on Jul 6, 2014 12:55:28 GMT
I was at the show yesterday and to be honest only have good things to say from what I saw, I don't however disagree with you but can't really comment as I was unaware of any of this until I read it on here.
I was in the HOYS LR M&M where they WERE placed to tenth and rosettes awarded to all exhibitors.
I do agree that in the huge HOYS classes it is important to those in the top ten to be recognised even without a rosette.
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Post by Wondering? on Jul 6, 2014 13:44:31 GMT
Yes, don't get me wrong, Philippa. The show was lovely in every respect and so well organised and expertly directed from the commentary box, but this is what happened in the open M&M riddens, and there was a bit of disappointment about it in the lower ranks and if anyone knows whether the HOYS rule does mean that the placings are supposed to be given in the ring that would be helpful to know for the future.
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Post by bellasmum on Jul 6, 2014 15:56:04 GMT
All shows that hold qualifiers for HOYS should provide rosettes to 10th place - it's hardly breaking the bank!!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 6, 2014 16:30:15 GMT
I was at the show yesterday and to be honest only have good things to say from what I saw, I don't however disagree with you but can't really comment as I was unaware of any of this until I read it on here. I was in the HOYS LR M&M where they WERE placed to tenth and rosettes awarded to all exhibitors. I do agree that in the huge HOYS classes it is important to those in the top ten to be recognised even without a rosette. I think I'm correct in stating that almost every show worth it's salt in the country will provide an encouraging rosette (or at least sweeties of some sort) for every Lead Rein competitor.
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Post by Philippa on Jul 6, 2014 17:58:55 GMT
Well yes. I was only saying how it was in the LR HOYS class.
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 6, 2014 20:00:05 GMT
This is has happened at lots of shows this year, wasn't at Staffs so can't comment on that. However at the same shows last year the place to tenth? I've been to some where theres rosettes to 6th, pulled 10 forward, or only pulled 6 forward, or pulled and rosetted to tenth! I think you're right, as you say you've paid that money and it might be that persons only placing, and again as you say not everyone can stay late for marks especially if you have 2/3 hour journey home.
To add, I also think it should be pulled in reverse order so 1st is last to be pulled forward- would add a little more excitement to that win for people! they used to do it at GYS.
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Post by Toaster on Jul 6, 2014 20:39:37 GMT
To add, I also think it should be pulled in reverse order so 1st is last to be pulled forward- would add a little more excitement to that win for people! they used to do it at GYS. They did this in some of the classes ar Staffs today and it did add a lot of interest especially where the placings were coming from all parts of the line
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Post by pipandwill on Jul 6, 2014 20:44:41 GMT
It really annoys me when hoys quals dont place to tenth, at three counties, in all the shp classes they placed to 10th apart from the 153 shp, how is this fair? And then I was 8th in the m&m workers, and would of been made even more special if I had been called forward and had a rosette. Same for today at ncpa, I jumped a clear in the 153 workers and ended up 8th, it was my first hoys qual on this pony and I was nearly in tears after id done a clear, it would of been an amazing day had I just had a rosette to prove it. I mean, the entry fees are £35+, more than enough for rosettes to tenth. Thank you to those shows who make the effort and place to 10th. I for one, appreciate it immensely
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Post by louisegelly on Jul 6, 2014 21:31:32 GMT
I attended the Royal Highland and was 7th in my Hoys qualifier. They only pulled 6 forward. Disappointing when you spent all that money on entries and travel. Most recent qualifier they pulled 10 forward but only gave 8 rosettes out. Surly to god they are not that hard up.
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Post by maxandpaddy on Jul 6, 2014 21:38:58 GMT
I'm sure in our sp class at GYS last year they only pulled in the top 6
I totally agree with the OP.... for us 'lesser mortals' who do it ourselves top 10 would mean the world, and its not about the rosette, its more about making all the hard work seem a little more worthwhile if u get to canter round at the end with the big boys!
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Post by titch on Jul 6, 2014 22:00:43 GMT
To add, I also think it should be pulled in reverse order so 1st is last to be pulled forward- would add a little more excitement to that win for people! they used to do it at GYS. They did this in some of the classes ar Staffs today and it did add a lot of interest especially where the placings were coming from all parts of the line Also at three counties they have done this. I really like it.
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 6, 2014 22:12:12 GMT
glad to hear that! our c was 2nd at 3 counties but i wasn't there, i think it makes the moment so much more special. At GYS it's £33 but we were members so discount, believe it's like £55 for non members. You get (or did last year)placings to ten (they did reverse in some classes) decent rosette, card, prize money- you'd think at £25+ for others, plus travel, preparation expense and everything else they'd place to 10th, rosettes aren't that expensive for basic ones they'd give to 10th a rosette! or at least pull them forward.
out of interest because I don't really know- why do they not put marks up till after champs? at one show they put half the HOYS marks up after the small m&ms?
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Post by titch on Jul 6, 2014 22:17:37 GMT
Sometimes the smalls have a separate championship so they put them up after this has taken place. I got 9th in the hoys when puk had the qualifiers at malvern and 7th to 10th the got a lovely small but chunky rosette like the nps silver medal type I still have mine shame we wrong legged it that day lol as got highest conformation.
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 6, 2014 22:26:53 GMT
They didn't in this case, it as all one champ, they put the conf marks up i think but that was it xx
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Post by flo1 on Jul 7, 2014 1:11:02 GMT
Do the number of placings depend on the amount of entries?
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 7, 2014 5:49:23 GMT
Well I suppose if you only have 6 then they can only pull 6, but apart from that which is unlikely no they don't as far as I'm aware xx
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Post by Wondering? on Jul 7, 2014 10:06:24 GMT
For some reason I thought that HOYS required shows to place to 10th. I can't see anything to that effect in the rules, but I do think I've read it somewhere or other. Perhaps it's for the Tagg La Liga consistency awards.
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Post by sez100 on Jul 7, 2014 10:26:44 GMT
I was 7th in the huge D class at Staffs on sat. I for one would have been pleased to be pulled forward in the line up despite there not being a rosette for us. Obviously I'm pleased regardless given the company in the class, but my boy does love a good lap of honour! x
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Post by norris on Jul 7, 2014 12:41:08 GMT
Definitly placed to 10th , it doesn't matter how old you are its rather nice to know at least you were placed. In the end how much is going to cost. bearing in mind how much the entries are.
its just mean would be interested to know which show don't place to 10
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Post by cedar on Jul 7, 2014 20:06:30 GMT
I was 9th in the hoys highlands at Cheshire. Our first qualifier so was a great feeling to be pulled forward and getting a rossette. Wouldn't have had the same feeling if I had just read off the mark sheets! With so many ponies entered in most qualifiers surely it's not a huge cost to have a extra 4 rosettes
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Post by bunny on Jul 8, 2014 14:41:58 GMT
definately should place to 10th. I have my littlest daughter competing in the opens this year who is only ten, its a really big thing if she gets a place at all.
I like the reverse placings too.. however they did that last year at Cheshire and my daughter was 10th, I didnt know as it handnt happened to us before and let out a mini whoop haha and had to ask the man next to me what was happening as my daughter didnt look as excited as I expected!
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Post by the showing register on Jul 8, 2014 14:59:28 GMT
TSR next week give 10 rosettes as per HOYS rules plus a special rosette for highest conformation mark and highest go mark in every HOYS Q class that is marked. Anything that encourages riders should happen at a show as after all the show is run for them not a society or committee the cost of a rosette is not that high.
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 9, 2014 12:21:25 GMT
well done TSR!!
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Post by december1 on Jul 19, 2014 9:50:33 GMT
The Cherif Championship show, which is the last Part bred qualifier, are giving rosettes to 10th place for this class, as they do for their main classes. The HOYS class is open to all Part bred arabs of 148cms and under. You do not have to have qualified for the Cherif in order to enter.
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Post by bigmama on Jul 19, 2014 10:34:02 GMT
glad to hear that! our c was 2nd at 3 counties but i wasn't there, i think it makes the moment so much more special. At GYS it's £33 but we were members so discount, believe it's like £55 for non members. You get (or did last year)placings to ten (they did reverse in some classes) decent rosette, card, prize money- you'd think at £25+ for others, plus travel, preparation expense and everything else they'd place to 10th, rosettes aren't that expensive for basic ones they'd give to 10th a rosette! or at least pull them forward. out of interest because I don't really know- why do they not put marks up till after champs? at one show they put half the HOYS marks up after the small m&ms? GYS placed to 6th in Hoys M&Ms this year .. rosettes pretty cheap looking and I don't know why they give out cards as well as they easily get bent whilst holding on lap of honour .. GYS is the most expensive of the Hoys quals and with 40+ competitors in some of the classes, surely they could splash out on another four rosettes per class :/
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 20, 2014 19:46:27 GMT
Oh did they? That's not on when there's 56 pre entered in the Welsh D's! Think they could of splashed out to decent rosettes and placings to 10th! x
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Post by Philippa on Jul 20, 2014 20:07:15 GMT
glad to hear that! our c was 2nd at 3 counties but i wasn't there, i think it makes the moment so much more special. At GYS it's £33 but we were members so discount, believe it's like £55 for non members. You get (or did last year)placings to ten (they did reverse in some classes) decent rosette, card, prize money- you'd think at £25+ for others, plus travel, preparation expense and everything else they'd place to 10th, rosettes aren't that expensive for basic ones they'd give to 10th a rosette! or at least pull them forward. out of interest because I don't really know- why do they not put marks up till after champs? at one show they put half the HOYS marks up after the small m&ms? GYS placed to 6th in Hoys M&Ms this year .. rosettes pretty cheap looking and I don't know why they give out cards as well as they easily get bent whilst holding on lap of honour .. GYS is the most expensive of the Hoys quals and with 40+ competitors in some of the classes, surely they could splash out on another four rosettes per class :/ The prize cards are fab. Slot them under your leather and they stay straight. Love to get a prize card. Especially a RW one!!!!
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Post by comanchediva on Jul 20, 2014 20:19:17 GMT
glad to hear that! our c was 2nd at 3 counties but i wasn't there, i think it makes the moment so much more special. At GYS it's £33 but we were members so discount, believe it's like £55 for non members. You get (or did last year)placings to ten (they did reverse in some classes) decent rosette, card, prize money- you'd think at £25+ for others, plus travel, preparation expense and everything else they'd place to 10th, rosettes aren't that expensive for basic ones they'd give to 10th a rosette! or at least pull them forward. out of interest because I don't really know- why do they not put marks up till after champs? at one show they put half the HOYS marks up after the small m&ms? GYS placed to 6th in Hoys M&Ms this year .. rosettes pretty cheap looking and I don't know why they give out cards as well as they easily get bent whilst holding on lap of honour .. GYS is the most expensive of the Hoys quals and with 40+ competitors in some of the classes, surely they could splash out on another four rosettes per class :/ GYS rosettes were the same size and shape they usually are. All the county shows give out their standard rosette year after year, it's the prestige of winning one that's important, not the size. Totally agree though, they should definitely place to 10th but I did walk past the pony that was I think 8th in the Fell s and Dales and the jockey had a prize card.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 20, 2014 20:33:30 GMT
Recently, in the capacity of a senior steward at a very major HOYS Qualifying show I walked past a wagon ramp. Lying, crushed on the (muddy) ground was a 3rd, a supposedly sought after sponsored rosette. It annoyed me so much that I actually picked this rosette up and hooked it within the lorry confines.
I hope it's recipient reads this and is now cringing. Ok - you may not have "Qualified" on that occasion. But a) someone else might have been delighted to have recieved that rosette and b) how on earth can we (as show organisers) persuade kindly people to sponsor - if some of you just grind their paid for rosettes into the dirt??
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