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Post by chippy15 on Jul 7, 2014 13:42:20 GMT
Look out for at least 3 women in the Meopham, Hartley, Ash area in South East. Two in their mid twenties and one older lady. one an extremely good rider (show jumper) going by many alias names. Kent trading standards are aware. This is what they do: 1. Respond to adverts of horses for sale looking for a forever home often £1000 and under 2.Send photos of the fantastic home offered and buys horse unseen often sending horse transporter and promising to keep in touch 3. Re advertises the horse within days or weeks often knocking years off its age when passport not available, if available poses as name of owner on passport. 4 These horses are nearly all advertised as confidence giving suitable for nervous/ novice riders, mother/daughter share, type hard to find! and saying they had owned the horse for many years. Often a contract is offered to buy horse back but never honoured. The advert is pulled as soon as horse sold. We know that there are cases dating back to 2009. Has this happened to you or anyone that you might know?
These people need to be stopped as there are a lot of broken hearted people out there who have never found their horses, and many people have been mis sold a horse.
Please inbox in the strictist of confidence
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Post by daisy81 on Jul 7, 2014 14:11:50 GMT
Oh dear poppy valentine area again.....
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Post by switchblade82 on Jul 8, 2014 17:52:58 GMT
Hi Chippy but I think this sort of thing goes on everywhere. People buying horses dirt cheap, selling them on for something which they are not or past it even. I think someone would be incredibly lucky, to find their horse a genuine forever home. I am not saying that they are not out there, unfortunately there are too many ruthless people operating in the equine world. People who advertise horses cheap or forever homes need to think, is getting that little money for the very loved animal, more important than finding a correct, suitable home? You hear of horses going missing on loan with agreed contracts in place. All I feel now, is that the internet has brought horse auctions into the household.
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Post by popsicle on Jul 9, 2014 18:49:32 GMT
Hi Chippy but I think this sort of thing goes on everywhere. People buying horses dirt cheap, selling them on for something which they are not or past it even. I think someone would be incredibly lucky, to find their horse a genuine forever home. I am not saying that they are not out there, unfortunately there are too many ruthless people operating in the equine world. People who advertise horses cheap or forever homes need to think, is getting that little money for the very loved animal, more important than finding a correct, suitable home? You hear of horses going missing on loan with agreed contracts in place. All I feel now, is that the internet has brought horse auctions into the household. I do agree with what you are saying switchblade72, however I have had this happen to a friend of mine. She bought a horse from a similar area as Chippy has mentioned.. ( could it be linked!?! ) Will PM you chippy!!! The horse she bought was sold to be a "super safe cob" and when she got him home he was the exact opposite.... the horse wouldnt even let us tack it up! He was brilliant to ride when they went to see him, the lady said she had owned him for 6 years and seemed very genuine. After getting him home and to find he was not suitable she did some research and the poor horse had only been with her for two weeks! When we phoned the girl she bought him off to say he hadnt settled she said she would have him back as soon as she could (as she had signed a contract saying the money would be refunded and she would have the horse back if my friend arranged the transport for the horse.) However she kept delaying the date she could have him back and funnily it never happend! She then found out the contract was actually in the old owners name and she had used someone elses address... ( Fraud?!?) Luckily the lady who had bought the horse was sensible and managed to trace another previous owner who said the horse wasnt going to suit what she had bought him for, so then my friend cut her losses and retired the horse. Isnt the "horsey world" a lovely place!!!!!!!!
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Post by switchblade82 on Jul 9, 2014 19:47:16 GMT
Hi popsicle don't get me wrong, I applaud the OP for bringing anything like this to the attention of all. It is something we need to be doing more by alerting the public to dealers like this. Why should these people be allowed to hide in the murky depths, operating their scams and the innocent buyers, being made to feel stupid for being ripped off in the first place?
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Post by allaboutface on Jul 10, 2014 10:43:44 GMT
Oh dear poppy valentine area again..... Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Oh yes I have been scammed by these vile people, told me they were private buyers and would give my horse a forever home only to sell him on within days, changing his name, not telling the buyer of his ailments also he was suitable for a child coming off ponies, they had owned him for years ( in fact a few days ) even told the buyers I was their grandmother ! The horse has now been found after two years of a desperate search to know what had become of him... These con artist are still trading albeit using different yards, many different names to procure cheap horses and then selling on within days at a huge profit...I have a list of names these people use and tel numbers, they advertise in Horse Quest and many other sites ( South East)Oh yes they are very charming and come across as the perfect people to deal with until you begin to ask questions on the where abouts or a horse or about a horse they have sold you which isn`t as they said...These people were and still are trading from Greycotes, Manor Road, Hartley, Kent...Trading Standards are aware of their activities, so anyone out their who have not as yet reported them to TS please do so as these con artist need to be brought to account.
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 11, 2014 10:16:19 GMT
Thank you swithblade, I totally agree with you, it does go in all the time but this is on a hugh scale. These people must be stopped, they have advertised at the moment "THE ULTIMATE ABSOLUTELY SUPER SAFE SCHOOLMASTER" this advert misleading, they are dealers. She has not owned this horse for 5 years. Please help... has anyone you know just sold a 16 hand dapple grey gelding? The picture in the advert may not be the dealers who are selling the horse- they use old pictures of the horse.PLEASE horse gossip freinds, lets pull together to stop this! This is the 2nd horse they have advertised in one week. Thank you popsicle and allaboutface we are getting more victims each week..
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 18, 2014 11:50:05 GMT
We have had a call from another lady, she has just bought a horse off the same dealer,from an advert on horsequest last week. The dealer posing as an "Olivia" this time. She had this horse for days, paying £500 for it then selling the poor horse straight on for £4500, by using a picture of a top class connemara stallion!!! Funny thing is as soon as she tried to contact "Olivia" (private sale on horsequest) she disapeared!! The horse cant even be handled let anlone ridden!
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Post by pipandflo on Jul 18, 2014 17:24:31 GMT
If you will SELL your old, lame problem horses for peanuts instead of having them pts at home these people could not make a living, it's the last thing we can do for our equines.
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Post by Philippa on Jul 18, 2014 20:05:37 GMT
We have had a call from another lady, she has just bought a horse off the same dealer,from an advert on horsequest last week. The dealer posing as an "Olivia" this time. She had this horse for days, paying £500 for it then selling the poor horse straight on for £4500, by using a picture of a top class connemara stallion!!! Funny thing is as soon as she tried to contact "Olivia" (private sale on horsequest) she disapeared!! The horse cant even be handled let anlone ridden! Sorry to hear this but surely the people who paid £4500 were happy with this price or they wouldn't have paid it? ?
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 19, 2014 16:46:44 GMT
We have had a call from another lady, she has just bought a horse off the same dealer,from an advert on horsequest last week. The dealer posing as an "Olivia" this time. She had this horse for days, paying £500 for it then selling the poor horse straight on for £4500, by using a picture of a top class connemara stallion!!! Funny thing is as soon as she tried to contact "Olivia" (private sale on horsequest) she disapeared!! The horse cant even be handled let anlone ridden! Sorry to hear this but surely the people who paid £4500 were happy with this price or they wouldn't have paid it? ? Phillipa I only hope that you never get scammed like these people have! As mentioned in the first post these people are con women (very clever) even the brightest of people would be taken in, believe us this is hugh!!!!!
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Post by Philippa on Jul 19, 2014 17:50:01 GMT
Sorry to hear this but surely the people who paid £4500 were happy with this price or they wouldn't have paid it? ? Phillipa I only hope that you never get scammed like these people have! As mentioned in the first post these people are con women (very clever) even the brightest of people would be taken in, believe us this is hugh!!!!! You say this as if they are the first people to ever have been done. Weve ll bought a lemon at some point in our lives but regardless of what ive purchased ive always been happy with the price ive paid regardless of the outcome. Otherwise I wouldn't have paid that price in the first place.
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Post by comanchediva on Jul 19, 2014 18:36:52 GMT
Sorry to hear this but surely the people who paid £4500 were happy with this price or they wouldn't have paid it? ? Phillipa I only hope that you never get scammed like these people have! As mentioned in the first post these people are con women (very clever) even the brightest of people would be taken in, believe us this is hugh!!!!! The horse can't be handled let alone ridden and these people parted with £4.5k?? I feel for them if that's the case but if I was handing over that kind of money the horse would be vetted, ridden, handled and God knows what else before I paid up.
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 19, 2014 19:09:32 GMT
Thank you.........you are missing the point, once again these women are very plausable!! people will hand over money when you have a very convincing person at the end of the phone offering a "Contract" saying they will have the horse back and refund the money!!
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Post by Philippa on Jul 19, 2014 19:16:53 GMT
Thank you.........you are missing the point, once again these women are very plausable!! people will hand over money when you have a very convincing person at the end of the phone offering a " Contract" saying they will have the horse back and refund the money!! Well im sorry but if I was handing over that money id be going to view!!!!
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 19, 2014 21:42:37 GMT
Sorry, what would make you think this horse wasn't viewed?
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Post by comanchediva on Jul 19, 2014 21:59:58 GMT
Thank you.........you are missing the point, once again these women are very plausable!! people will hand over money when you have a very convincing person at the end of the phone offering a " Contract" saying they will have the horse back and refund the money!! I'm not missing the point. It wouldn't matter how plausible they are they wouldn't be having any money without a full vetting and a thorough trial, not at £4.5k. You say the horse can't even be handled so I don't believe a vetting and trial happened so I'm sorry, why would you hand that kind of money over? BTW I pressed the like button by mistake !
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Post by clifton on Jul 19, 2014 22:34:01 GMT
old wise saying, (let the buyer beware), especially where horses are concerned. Unless you know the horse, I say try, try and try again if unsure before handing over any money to make absolutely sure it is what you want, because chances are it will be the last you see of your money. paper contracts or sincere words usually mean nothing where money is concerned. Most of us have all been taken in at some time, either looking for a bargain or believing somebody's words which have proved false, most of us once we have been conned usually try to learn from our mistakes and become very suspicious and try not to make a similar mistake twice. The other saying I like is (if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't). It is a shame but it can be a cruel world out there full of some awful people, just waiting to prey on unsuspecting people.
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Post by Philippa on Jul 20, 2014 5:31:55 GMT
Sorry, what would make you think this horse wasn't viewed? Well this makes even less sense.
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 20, 2014 20:53:23 GMT
If anybody has any information at all please message. Other peoples opinions really do not matter. We need to catch these dishonest people. False descriptions of horses for sale along with fake photographs is fraud and many many people have been conned over a number of years. the more information we have the better chance we have of catching these people! Please help!
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Post by hollycane on Jul 20, 2014 22:45:26 GMT
chippy15 fraud is indeed a serious crime but I'm afraid false pride is not. Sadly there are a great deal of people who buy horses (for unfathomable reasons) who are easily misled and sucked into such fraudulent practices because of their vanity. They would rather be talked into buying something utterly unsuitable, with a dubious provenance and often with obvious signs of unsoundness, because they are too vain to walk away. I have been buying and selling horses for over 30 years and can only comment on the rise of the mug buyer. I would also comment that far too many horse owners now expect some kind of inflated return on any horse they decide to sell. Even if this poor animal should really be being kindly and compassionately put to sleep. How many adverts for 14+ year old animals do we now see? Keep it or kill it. When you take on a horse you take it on for the whole of it's life. Unless your business is dealing in which case 4 -8 yo is where the money is. Please, if you have been affected by the fraudulent behaviour of these women do not be afraid of coming forward, we have all been "had" but this involves the beautiful animals called horses that we profess to love. They are generally the ones who suffer in these deals.
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Post by chippy15 on Jul 21, 2014 9:21:45 GMT
thank you holly cane. yes these fraudulent dealings have gone on for far too long spanning at least 5 years that we know of.
we need more people to come forward they might not realise they have been scammed by these women as they always use a false name,
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Post by Philippa on Jul 21, 2014 13:28:49 GMT
Chippy15 - it would appear that you and popsicle are one and the same person. Maybe it was because you needed to back yourself up on this subject but unfortunately it is against site rules to have more than one user account therefor we will be deleting one of the accounts, please advise me which account you would likle to keep by this evening or we will make the decision for you, thanks.
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