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Post by Advice needed on Jul 27, 2014 18:23:01 GMT
I legitimately bought a horse with full Irish passport from a reputable source. It has recently been vetted and passed with flying colours, apart from one very important thing. The microchip in its neck does not match the microchip recorded on the passport. It only has one chip and does not tally in any way with its Sport horse Ireland chip. I want to keep this horse and so I have decided to have it DNA typed to make sure it is the same horse on the passport. Obviously if it isn't the same horse it will have to be returned to the seller. Has anyone else come across this and what was the outcome?
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jul 27, 2014 18:33:45 GMT
Does the horse match the description in the passport including whorls and other marks ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:37:33 GMT
Wrong thread sorry
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Post by sjw87 on Jul 27, 2014 19:41:08 GMT
I have known someone where a genuine mistake had happened - a dealer bought full sibling horses from the breeder and got the passports mixed up on sale.
If it's microchipped then the irish horse board (now run by horse sport ireland) should be able to help.
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Post by Advice needed on Jul 27, 2014 19:48:27 GMT
Thank you for your replys so far. Yes the markings on the passport tally and I rang Irish horse board or Horse sport Ireland as it is now known. I also spoke to vet who had originally chipped the horse and he claimed that he has never used any other implants apart from the ones that the ISH use. The numbers on the current implant are issued by a South American firm and the chip does not show up as being being recognised on their database either. The only thing left to do now is to have the horse DNA typed to see if it is the same horse that is on the passport. What a nightmare. I just wondered if anyone else had come across this use of random chips used by an American firm called petlink
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Post by abc3 on Jul 27, 2014 20:19:26 GMT
How old is the horse?
I think it was 2005 that HSI started requiring microchip with registration so it could be a case that the horse has the correct passport and then has been micro-chipped at a later date with a non HSI chip and the wrong sticker has been put on the passport.
If it showed up at the vetting that the passport and chip did not tally why did not query this with the dealer at the time?
The only way you are going to find out for sure is to have it DNA typed and that is easy enough to do and does not break the bank
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Post by Philippa on Jul 28, 2014 5:39:41 GMT
It could genuinely have 2 chips but the original one that's on the passport has moved. This can happen and it might be that the one that was in and on the passport didn't register.
What a minefield for you. Definitely DNA is the only way for you to know for definite. Hope you get it sorted.
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Post by Advice needed on Jul 28, 2014 9:07:02 GMT
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer. I purchased the horse, a youngster who was born later than 2005 from a reputable source. The horse carries only 1 microchip and this chip does not match the chip recorded on its passport. If it is the same horse on its passport (markings are similar) we should find out by DNA typing as ID's have to have DNA recorded to hold a green passport.
I had it vetted for insurance purposes recently it was only then that the microchip was scanned by the vet and this problem arose. I have never come across this before and wondered if anyone else had. It is a worry to be quite honest and I wanted to have it vetted originally, but the vet available, the seller and the horses location made things most complicated so I didn't go ahead with a vetting (I have bought a few youngsters in my life without getting them vetted as I'm sure many others have too)
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Post by sjw87 on Jul 28, 2014 10:07:21 GMT
Have you bought from the breeder or has the horse changed homes since passporting?
It is rare but I have heard of someone who's horse actually lost it's chip - she happened to see something sticking into/out if it's neck and it turned out to be the chip! If she hadn't seen it, wouldn't have known it was no longer in the horse. Can't reinsert the original one so horse was chipped again. If this has happened with your horse, someone would have had to know though to insert a different chip.
The other thing that does happen is a horse who has died having its passport given to a similar horse to save the cost of getting it one but dna typing will be the only way to get your answer on that front. Even if that had happened though, you wouldn't expect anyone to bother chipping it with a random american company chip - they'd just leave it with no chip to give the assumption it jad migrated or failed.
I hope it does prove to be the same horse but even then, you may never find an explanation to the chip!
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Post by abc3 on Jul 28, 2014 16:52:41 GMT
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer. I purchased the horse, a youngster who was born later than 2005 from a reputable source. The horse carries only 1 microchip and this chip does not match the chip recorded on its passport. If it is the same horse on its passport (markings are similar) we should find out by DNA typing as ID's have to have DNA recorded to hold a green passport. I had it vetted for insurance purposes recently it was only then that the microchip was scanned by the vet and this problem arose. I have never come across this before and wondered if anyone else had. It is a worry to be quite honest and I wanted to have it vetted originally, but the vet available, the seller and the horses location made things most complicated so I didn't go ahead with a vetting (I have bought a few youngsters in my life without getting them vetted as I'm sure many others have too) That makes more sense
So the horse does have a passport with the correct markings the only concern is the chip number which should be a HSI chip and is not, but you had the horse vetted after purchase?
To register the horse after 2005 and get a green book HSI will have provided the chip so if it is not theirs it would concern me too.
I have heard from more than one person in Ireland that there have been instances of chips being removed - is there any mark or dint on the horses neck?
Personally I would get it DNA typed ASAP so that you can go back to the dealer if there is a problem.
Weatherby's Ireland will send you the kit and are quick to do the test
Good Luck
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Post by Advice needed on Jul 28, 2014 17:42:10 GMT
Thank you. Yes, plan A is to have the horse DNA tested and plan B is to return the horse to the seller if it doesn't match. There is no scar or mark where a chip could possibly have been removed. Just need to get to the bottom of this. It is a waiting game and of course very concerning. I hope that this will at least be a warning to anyone else who might be somewhat relaxed about not vetting a youngster before parting with their money. It is a minefield out there. I will of course update when I know more. Fingers crossed for the right result and a happy ending
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Post by deucoch on Jul 28, 2014 18:02:38 GMT
Does he match the description on the passport? Another possibilty, is that a batch of foals were chipped at the stud and stickers were mixed on the paperwork perhaps?
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Post by klom81 on Jul 28, 2014 18:42:03 GMT
I had one of my horses chipped a few years back and a couple of years later I received a letter from the microchip company (sorry can't remember which one) advising that some of their chips had failed and weren't reading correctly. The company were offering that if the chip could not be read the next time it was checked by the vet then they would cover the cost of re-chipping the horse. I had actually sold my horse by the time I got the letter so forwarded it to the new owners. This could be a possibility in your case but you would think there would be a record of the new microchip number.
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