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Post by gillwales on Sept 16, 2014 11:59:22 GMT
Notsosure you are wrong, DEFRA state that you are responsible for the welfare of any animal on your land even if you are not being paid to look after them. Has a client you may feel that your YO is not responsible but legally he/ she is.
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Post by Poor thing on Sept 16, 2014 12:38:18 GMT
Please dont turn this into a bashing of the wrong person. She is out feeding him in the night to try and build him up, little and often is the way. I would think the YO would be accountable if she were to shoot this poor creature and as for other treatment he is getting that, remember we have a vet saying that the animal is ok! Therefore as said before we are on funny ground even feeding him. Anyway back to the animal, had a farrier out pony is starting to founder (distraught we missed that but he never moved) so owner rang who stated that she would not be able to get down and cannot afford any vet treatment so I have contacted every organisation going and will wait now as that may change something! Any advice please. We have given him painkillers and I really dont care I we get taken to court. We as a group are near to point of calling the huntsman to put him out of his misery! Furious is not the word!It is the owner who also should be shot no more excuses about her feelings and pain, this pony's pedle done is near to dropping out of his hoof!! I may now only post on here once he is passed as I may well put something on a public forum I may well regret
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Post by CarolineNelson on Sept 16, 2014 12:51:45 GMT
Please dont turn this into a bashing of the wrong person. She is out feeding him in the night to try and build him up, little and often is the way. I would think the YO would be accountable if she were to shoot this poor creature and as for other treatment he is getting that, remember we have a vet saying that the animal is ok! Therefore as said before we are on funny ground even feeding him. Anyway back to the animal, had a farrier out pony is starting to founder (distraught we missed that but he never moved) so owner rang who stated that she would not be able to get down and cannot afford any vet treatment so I have contacted every organisation going and will wait now as that may change something! Any advice please. We have given him painkillers and I really dont care I we get taken to court. We as a group are near to point of calling the huntsman to put him out of his misery! Furious is not the word!It is the owner who also should be shot no more excuses about her feelings and pain, this pony's pedal bone is near to dropping out of his hoof!! I may now only post on here once he is passed as I may well put something on a public forum I may well regret You as a group have done and are doing all that you can under the most difficult of circumstances. Frankly, this poor pony must have the constitution of a rhinoceros to withstand all the health problems given the age. I once had to make that phone call, but it was to the owner's Vet's Practice and the 'second opinion' confirmed that euthanasia was the only kind solution.
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Post by honeypot on Sept 16, 2014 12:53:56 GMT
I would get the hunt out. Take plenty of picture before he goes, if she takes you to the small claims court afterwards she can on get back his value if she won the case. It would be worth it just to confront her in front of a judge.
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Post by ikklecob on Sept 16, 2014 13:43:07 GMT
Notsosure you are wrong, DEFRA state that you are responsible for the welfare of any animal on your land even if you are not being paid to look after them. Has a client you may feel that your YO is not responsible but legally he/ she is. I think the fly grazing problem we encountered last winter has highlighted the fact if an animal is on your land legally or not you as YO can be deemed to be responsible for their welfare. I think I would be calling the hunt to take care of this poor little pony. This is a very sad situation with someone who is obviously not able to or willing to make the decision. This maybe through ignorance or denial but the pony is the one who is suffering and she needs to be told in no uncertain terms.
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Post by judyh on Sept 16, 2014 14:43:19 GMT
I would get the pony put out of his misery.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Sept 16, 2014 15:43:07 GMT
Can the group of you looking after the pony club together and buy it from the woman for a nominal amount and then have it PTS. It sounds like she has no money or any interest in the welfare of the pony so may well be grateful to be rid of it. I would also be looking into speaking with the RCVS about the conduct of the vet if he thinks the pony is in an acceptable condition and not suffering.....
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Post by CarolineNelson on Sept 16, 2014 16:57:01 GMT
Can the group of you looking after the pony club together and buy it from the woman for a nominal amount and then have it PTS. It sounds like she has no money or any interest in the welfare of the pony so may well be grateful to be rid of it. I would also be looking into speaking with the RCVS about the conduct of the vet if he thinks the pony is in an acceptable condition and not suffering..... Now THAT is a great idea, although one wonders of the current 'owner' would accept the concept. To the 'pony welfare group' - if you require the contact of the senior RCVS Arbitrator then do get in touch. I was going to suggest that you sent me a PM, but unfortunately, you are posting as a non-Member.
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Post by Poor thing on Sept 16, 2014 17:26:09 GMT
We have made a group decision with YO to have the pony shot. The local huntmans is meeting us soon, been informed of the issues and stated that he WILL shoot him and take any flack. We have told the owner of our intentions and suggest she either has a vet meet us or the Police. YO has given her notice to leave in 1 hour as she is able to via the contract they have. He is now down so cant be moved so dont worry about him being traumatised NO ONE will take him anywhere but over the Rainbow Bridge!!!. We have given him ACPC and more painkillers. This has been traumatic for us all and this poor old gentleman who served this "owner" for many years, just ashame she could not show him the respect and love he has shown her. I just wish she was here to see his suffering, suffering she has caused. So his sad sad ending will not last long now. Photo's have been taken and legal advice sought. A friend of a friends husband who is a vet and also on his way to assess little mans condition but as his pedal bone is now visible he no doubt will agree to the plan. Thank you all for your support , you have been amazing the Yard girls thank you so much for advice.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Sept 16, 2014 17:32:24 GMT
We have made a group decision with YO to have the pony shot. The local huntmans is meeting us soon, been informed of the issues and stated that he WILL shoot him and take any flack. We have told the owner of our intentions and suggest she either has a vet meet us or the Police. YO has given her notice to leave in 1 hour as she is able to via the contract they have. He is now down so cant be moved so dont worry about him being traumatised NO ONE will take him anywhere but over the Rainbow Bridge!!!. We have given him ACPC and more painkillers. This has been traumatic for us all and this poor old gentleman who served this "owner" for many years, just ashame she could not show him the respect and love he has shown her. I just wish she was here to see his suffering, suffering she has caused. So his sad sad ending will not last long now. Photo's have been taken and legal advice sought. A friend of a friends husband who is a vet and also on his way to assess little mans condition but as his pedal bone is now visible he no doubt will agree to the plan. Thank you all for your support , you have been amazing the Yard girls thank you so much for advice. Your yard group are serious tough Cookies. Well done to all of you, for coping so well and sensibly with this tragic Welfare case. I'm sure the pony will be aware that you are all trying to help him. He will sleep in comfort forevermore; you guys can also rest comfortably with your amazing mutual care.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Sept 16, 2014 17:38:34 GMT
Well done Poor Thing, you and your friends have gone above and beyond the call of duty because you can't bear to see this pony suffer. You all deserve a massive pat on the back
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Post by gillwales on Sept 16, 2014 17:40:03 GMT
I take my hat off to all of you
Someone needs a big kick up the bum re this, either the Vet that was seeing the pony or the RSPCA. Obviously it is the owners responsibility but the other 2 are the professional and welfare, totally unacceptable that they have behaved in the manor they have. Should you find yourselves in hot water yell I am certain that all here will rally to your aide.
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Post by poor pony on Sept 16, 2014 20:35:49 GMT
Hes now out of pain God bless the little gentleman, quick and painless. supervising vet is appalled and reporting this...no word from owner but hes safe now..thank you all you helped us take the step. empowerment of the internet at its best in a positive way xxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by gillwales on Sept 16, 2014 20:44:28 GMT
so pleased to hear this is going to be reported. So good to know there are kind people out there such as your group xxxx
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Sept 16, 2014 20:49:22 GMT
Notsosure you are wrong, DEFRA state that you are responsible for the welfare of any animal on your land even if you are not being paid to look after them. Has a client you may feel that your YO is not responsible but legally he/ she is. I think the fly grazing problem we encountered last winter has highlighted the fact if an animal is on your land legally or not you as YO can be deemed to be responsible for their welfare. I think I would be calling the hunt to take care of this poor little pony. This is a very sad situation with someone who is obviously not able to or willing to make the decision. This maybe through ignorance or denial but the pony is the one who is suffering and she needs to be told in no uncertain terms. I Thank goodness this old horse is out of pain. I hope the owner will be picking up the tab - though sadly I think this will not be the case. I think the yard owner is not responsible for the well being of this horse in that she appears to have done everything in her power to ensure the welfare of this pony and actually it is nothing like a fly grazing issue in that the owner is known, and they are paying a fee to use the facilities. Sadly, like so many DEFRA policies, the codes of practise are pretty toothless. Hope that the vet involved can answer why he does not appear to have acted in the best interests if the animal.
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Post by poor pony on Sept 16, 2014 21:07:17 GMT
Do you know what we were in tears as we were with him in his last hours and every one involved have given their time for free! Humanity is out there and its refreshed my faith. We have been informed that we can take action in court for our time an expenses! We are going to regroup in a few days as moral is low, and discuss options. I think the old gentleman will have his day in court and the "owner" will be held financially accountable as she was never accountable for his ending pain?
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Post by honeypot on Sept 16, 2014 21:48:49 GMT
Well done, there are so many people who talk about doing things but never take action. If you take her to the small claims court she may not defend but perhaps it will make her have to face her actions or inaction in this case. Having an animal PTS is never easy, but its up to all of us that our selfishness never causes them distress. I hope you have enjoyed a large glass of something to unwind after all this stress.
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Post by Louise Dixon on Sept 16, 2014 21:53:15 GMT
This poor pony was very lucky to have you in his final days.
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Post by GrimReaper on Sept 16, 2014 21:59:09 GMT
Well done to you all. So brave and courageous and so right. It's good to know that HG was some support to you through this and the internet can be a force for good. You're all true horse lovers to have put the old boy's needs first. Really incredibly well done and hats off to the YO too.
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Post by waspblue on Sept 16, 2014 22:58:46 GMT
You are all awesome and how nice to have my faith in humanity restored, as I must admit it waivers somewhat these days. Too many people have horses as status symbols and have little or no knowledge of how to care for them or what they need both physically and mentally, for their best welfare. This then leads to people having no idea as to when to call a vet and what is and isn't acceptable. We have a family on our yard who are clueless to say the least and who are quite proud of the fact that their horses haven't 'needed' their feet trimmed in 18 weeks!!! They leave no haynet or feed for their animals in the mornings when all the others are fed and have been known to go home at 4pm after being down for an hour or so and leave the horses until 7pm the following night with nothing to eat and stuck in a stable. All of them are pretty poor and it upsets the whole yard, YO has told them that they are to leave the yard on Monday 15th Sept and they are still here, as she has given them countless warnings about the welfare of their horses and they have not improved. We have all offered to help - and in a nice way - yet they still do not put things right or take us up on our offers of help. The poor things stand in hardly any bedding on a concrete floor, which is full of muck and urine. Two of the animals are very young 2 & 3 yrs old and the other is a TB which is like a hatrack and cribs like crazy. It is beyond me how anyone can think this is acceptable, as they obviously do. Any suggestions gratefully accepted, as we are all very sad about the situation as a yard.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Sept 17, 2014 7:03:30 GMT
Contact World Horse Welfare and see what advice they give. The RSPCA would be useless as I phoned them in the past about a very similar situation but they could see nothing wrong......
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Post by barclaybob on Sept 17, 2014 7:51:42 GMT
Well done to you all. At least the little man went with a bit of dignity and a lot of love! Stupid owner needs banning from ever keeping horses again! RIP little one, you're safe and sound now xx
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Post by honeypot on Sept 17, 2014 8:03:57 GMT
You are all awesome and how nice to have my faith in humanity restored, as I must admit it waivers somewhat these days. Too many people have horses as status symbols and have little or no knowledge of how to care for them or what they need both physically and mentally, for their best welfare. This then leads to people having no idea as to when to call a vet and what is and isn't acceptable. We have a family on our yard who are clueless to say the least and who are quite proud of the fact that their horses haven't 'needed' their feet trimmed in 18 weeks!!! They leave no haynet or feed for their animals in the mornings when all the others are fed and have been known to go home at 4pm after being down for an hour or so and leave the horses until 7pm the following night with nothing to eat and stuck in a stable. All of them are pretty poor and it upsets the whole yard, YO has told them that they are to leave the yard on Monday 15th Sept and they are still here, as she has given them countless warnings about the welfare of their horses and they have not improved. We have all offered to help - and in a nice way - yet they still do not put things right or take us up on our offers of help. The poor things stand in hardly any bedding on a concrete floor, which is full of muck and urine. Two of the animals are very young 2 & 3 yrs old and the other is a TB which is like a hatrack and cribs like crazy. It is beyond me how anyone can think this is acceptable, as they obviously do. Any suggestions gratefully accepted, as we are all very sad about the situation as a yard. This is were a livery contract with terms that state that the YO can give food/bedding as they see fit and charge/sell the animals to reclaim the money. These people sound as if they have run out of money and are just avoiding the problem, like stuffing the red bill in the draw. The YO needs to serve and eviction notice ASAP, and in the mean time turn the poor devils out and feed them. As in the other case the YO has a duty of care and its no use just blaming the owner.
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Post by PoorPony on Sept 17, 2014 11:57:11 GMT
I have been watching this post from the start. I am horrified this woman seems like she has no remorse at all for this poor pony.Good on you for standing up to her, I have been on yards where people turn a blind eye because they are scared of saying something.
I am filling up for the poor pony and he isn't even mine. I am just hoping that he felt a little loved from the OP before he went.
RIP little fellow, run pain free now little man.
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Post by bellasmum on Sept 19, 2014 18:01:23 GMT
What a courageous bunch of people! RIP little man - he had love in his hours of need - bless you all x
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