redway
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Post by redway on Sept 15, 2014 14:14:10 GMT
Please just an idea of value (££)
He is a big 14.3hh CHAPS reg'd coloured traditional gelding. Unfortunately he has only been shown at local level where he has nearly always won every coloured and ridden cob classes entered. Also won several show champions. He has been judged under CHAPS judges who have said he is stunning and should be out on the showing circuit. (I know I am biased but he is one of the nicest traditionals I have seen when out at the bigger shows). He is up to date with vaccinations, teeth, worming etc. He can be hacked out and is safe for novices or more experienced to ride. He has the nicest temperament. I have had him for 6 years and he was in previous home for 5 years. He was 14yrs old last week but he is very low mileage. I am happy to sell him with his good English tack and rugs.
thank you for reading this and for helping with an idea of his value
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Post by honeypot on Sept 15, 2014 15:13:41 GMT
I wouldn't worry about the showing part, if he can carry an adult and is safe he should make a fair price. I would start at £2500, if he looks the part perhaps £3000
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Post by waspblue on Sept 15, 2014 21:52:29 GMT
He sounds super and should get the most important thing, lots of love and an excellent new home for life. Good luck to both of you. I too think £3000 ono should be a fair price if he is a nice safe ride and can show too. These types are few and far between and I think someone will snap your hand off for him. If I could have another I come to see him, sounds just up mu street.
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Post by nickiop on Sept 16, 2014 15:43:06 GMT
Personally I think £2k tops as you say he turned 14 last week, however come 1st of Jan (which isn't that far away) all insurance companies would view him as 15 years old and therefore a veteran. So £2k would be a good price for an ageing gelding, Tack irrelevant really unless the saddle is something like a Fylde or Black Country etc which hold their value well. As the owner of a number of oldies more important than price is a loving home who will tend to their needs in their twilight years :)and its impossible to value an animal on what they could have done a value has to be placed on what they have actually done....hope that makes sense
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fredaf
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Post by fredaf on Sept 16, 2014 18:58:31 GMT
£3000 ONO sounds about right - worth his weight in gold! Fourteen/fifteen isn't old these days and certainly not twilight for a good few years yet. Hope you find a lovely home.
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redway
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Post by redway on Sept 16, 2014 20:06:20 GMT
Thank you very much for your opinions. I was thinking £3000 was a fair price for him - he is a lovely horse and he does have many years ahead of him.
It's been a great help to get others opinions to check I'm not thinking too much or too little!
Thanks again :-)
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Post by poppy130 on Sept 17, 2014 7:01:37 GMT
He sounds lovely and I was thinking the same £2,00/£2,500. I like to be realistic & a loving home is more important Good luck with him. Janice
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Post by chalky284 on Sept 17, 2014 9:11:37 GMT
He does sound lovely! However I've seen an increasing trend in folk wanting young horses and avoiding older ones. There are always exceptions to the rule, but for this reason I would say £2k and agree that home would be more important. Good luck!!!
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Post by rose66 on Sept 18, 2014 19:52:42 GMT
I definitely think think 3000 is too much for a near veteran.£2000 is more reasonable.
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Post by oldschooler on Sept 21, 2014 11:45:15 GMT
I definitely think think 3000 is too much for a near veteran.£2000 is more reasonable. Unfortunately you need to remember that it is buyers who value anything for sale. I think the age will go against your pony, and also the time of year. It depends how much you wish to sell. If I am realistic I think you will be very fortunate at this time of year to find a buyer willing to pay £2000 for what will be a 15year old pony. The economic climate is still dire, don't listen to all the positives you hear from politicians. Look at auction prices, even top quality auctions are finding sales difficult. I hope you find a good home for what sounds a lovely pony but personally I think you might need to go below £2000. Sorry.
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Post by fredaf on Sept 24, 2014 12:18:10 GMT
This is an interesting post and slightly off course, I agree there are a lot of horses/ponies for sale at the moment however there is all the difference in the world between one with good conformation that is safe and nicely schooled and those that people have bought cheaply and are trying to turn over for a profit. We need to remember the time and effort that goes into producing a safe and sound animal and those that are still a 'work in progress' - whilst people think horses can be bought cheaply because of the 'economic climate' buyers will be less inclined to pay a realistic price. For 'realistic' consider the effort/time/schooling/feeding etc that has gone in to producing an animal. Stud fee and keep of mare and foal, worming, farrier, feeding, registration, vet fees until old enough to break and then professional cost of breaking schooling at minimum £100 week for at least 6 weeks - and then you will have a horse ready to bring on, I would suggest - with my tin hat on - that some of the prices people are quoting on this thread relate to the amount they have to spend on a personal basis not how much an animal is worth in real terms. This highlights the problem that there were too many horses being bred and many are insufficiently schooled to command a realistic price. When prices are so low the horse almost becomes a 'disposable' item and sadly it is very likely that in a few years there won't be many available to buy because most breeders have significantly reduced their numbers and so buyers will either have to pay or save until they can afford.
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Post by oldschooler on Sept 24, 2014 19:23:15 GMT
This is an interesting post and slightly off course, I agree there are a lot of horses/ponies for sale at the moment however there is all the difference in the world between one with good conformation that is safe and nicely schooled and those that people have bought cheaply and are trying to turn over for a profit. We need to remember the time and effort that goes into producing a safe and sound animal and those that are still a 'work in progress' - whilst people think horses can be bought cheaply because of the 'economic climate' buyers will be less inclined to pay a realistic price. For 'realistic' consider the effort/time/schooling/feeding etc that has gone in to producing an animal. Stud fee and keep of mare and foal, worming, farrier, feeding, registration, vet fees until old enough to break and then professional cost of breaking schooling at minimum £100 week for at least 6 weeks - and then you will have a horse ready to bring on, I would suggest - with my tin hat on - that some of the prices people are quoting on this thread relate to the amount they have to spend on a personal basis not how much an animal is worth in real terms. This highlights the problem that there were too many horses being bred and many are insufficiently schooled to command a realistic price. When prices are so low the horse almost becomes a 'disposable' item and sadly it is very likely that in a few years there won't be many available to buy because most breeders have significantly reduced their numbers and so buyers will either have to pay or save until they can afford. All you have said is true. I was always told "Fools breed them for wise men to buy." Very rarely do you get back your outgoings when you sell. We will be going to the WPCS sales soon and will see top class foals fetching less than the cost of the entry fee and the registration - never mind the stud fee, mare keep etc. It is a very sad time for the equine world as there is so little disposable income horses are very much a luxury. The problem is that in the present climate there is always someone desperate enough to sell at a low price, and this keeps prices down. I cannot see prices going back to where they were 15 years ago for at least another 10 years. For me at the end of the day the home is the most important part of the equation.
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Post by chalky284 on Sept 24, 2014 19:45:10 GMT
I totally agree with oldschooler, despite all of the work etc that goes into a pony it's always age and results that people look at, a pony of coming 15 years will be considered past it's best to many folk. I would concentrate on the home the pony will go to as a priority before price!
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Post by ponymum on Sept 25, 2014 14:31:35 GMT
A pony or horse is worth what the buyer pays! Sadly as the others above have mentioned , it is a buyers market , so top of my list would be the home, then talk money after.
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Post by cupcake909 on Sept 29, 2014 20:58:41 GMT
offers in the region of 3500 and see what you get
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redway
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Post by redway on Oct 12, 2014 19:01:45 GMT
Thanks for all your replies - he is obviously going to be worth what someone will pay for him and having read the newer thread 'What age is a show horse considered old?' - I think he should have many showing years ahead of him. But it is great to get some other opinions on value. I'm not sure if I am going to sell him or keep him - as he has been returned from an expected 12 month loan 6 months early.
(Nikiop - you know my horse well - I'm glad now I didn't sell him to your friend for her very low offer)
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Post by nickiop on Oct 13, 2014 13:28:25 GMT
Sorry Redway you are mistaken, I have seen photos of your horse on FB but have never once viewed or met him in the flesh......I believe you were offered £2500 for him from a friend of mine which sounds a pretty fair price to me ......if indeed we are discussing the same animal as no names have been mentioned anywhere?? You asked for an opinion with regards to value on an open forum and I offered MY opinion based upon the description you gave ........who is to say if that opinion is right or wrong, the true value of any animal is what a potential purchaser is prepared to pay. I'm not quite sure what your above quote was trying to imply? however I can assure you any agreement you did or didn't have with regards to the aforesaid animal had nothing to do with me??? I breed and show welsh cobs and have at no time had or kept traditional coloured's, as lovely as they may be, my interests lie elsewhere?
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