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Post by Notsourgrapes on Sept 16, 2014 20:37:51 GMT
Couldn't care less, but noticed the supreme went to an entry who claimed amateur status and clearly isn't. Lots of screenshots to prove this. Just a shame rightful supreme was robbed by blatant cheating! There you go.
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Post by Believer on Sept 16, 2014 20:41:59 GMT
Think you will find they are amateur, as in don't earn a living from horses, rider is a child and a schoolgirl!, but they are not home produced.
Nice people, please don't spoil their moment.
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Post by Notsourgrapes on Sept 16, 2014 20:49:28 GMT
I am referring to the in hand x
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Post by think on Sept 16, 2014 21:19:16 GMT
just because someone is advertising services doesn't actually mean they have clients or horses in to be produced screen shots may prove she has advertised but not that she has actually received any income do they ?
these are bspa rules copied from there website
Rider - a person who exhibits a horse/pony under saddle. • Amateur – The BSPA Ridden Amateur Owner/Producer/Rider Championship Open to Mares and Geldings only. No Stallions. All Horses or Ponies in this section MUST be owned, registered, produced and ridden by the owner or their son/daughter/ grandchild/brother/sister. Nor must the exhibitor earn their primary living from a stud or other equestrian or competitive discipline. Nor must they be a trainer or producer for reward or hire. Ponies/Horses MUST NOT have been stabled in a livery since 1st January or stabled with a trainer during 2010 except in the case of a Broodmare. DIY livery is acceptable. All horses or ponies MUST be owned and/or ridden or led by BSPA Members. • Home Produced - open to current members of BSPA with registered
so even if she has advertised unless she has actually produced someone else's pony for money then no rules broken ?
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Post by getalife! on Sept 16, 2014 21:33:08 GMT
If you couldn't care less why have you bothered posting?
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Post by silvester on Sept 17, 2014 5:58:54 GMT
If she was supreme, that's not restricted to amateur anyway so why get upset?!
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Post by interested101 on Sept 17, 2014 6:21:38 GMT
in what class did the champion claim to be amateur?
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Post by mopsy on Sept 17, 2014 10:52:06 GMT
Just out of pure interest because I haven't seen any results anywhere what went champ ridden and champ in hand. Also what qualified RI in the hairy ponies? Thanks
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Post by stormyskies on Sept 17, 2014 11:01:39 GMT
Supreme ridden was Merrigans Heaven Sent and supreme in hand was a trad called Diesel.
RI was Abboyswood Gorgie Boy who was also champ, Ace of Spades, Rumplestiltskin, and I dunno any more. Frilly as well i presume
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Post by mopsy on Sept 17, 2014 11:28:11 GMT
Thanks stormy skies
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Post by silvester on Sept 17, 2014 12:55:32 GMT
No frilly wasn't competing in the RI classes, domino flashy lad took the 2nd placed large hairy pony ticket
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Post by dressagefan on Sept 17, 2014 15:46:53 GMT
Sorry stormyskies, Merrigans Heaven Scent was not supreme ridden champ at BSPA, we were at BSHA champs. We are never that lucky !
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Post by stormyskies on Sept 17, 2014 16:13:05 GMT
Sorry my apologies it was Brookfarm Heaven Scent.
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Post by Notsourgrapes on Sept 17, 2014 20:29:32 GMT
in what class did the champion claim to be amateur? She went through to the supreme of show as the amateur supreme. As for advertising but not having clients, Eltott Welsh Mountain Ponies sent Bandit to her. Maybe she takes in ponies for free! rules is rules and thought everyone tried hard to stick to them. Some do, some don't I suppose.
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Post by FGS on Sept 18, 2014 8:26:57 GMT
For goodness sake - you may feel annoyed, agrieved, but DON'T post on here. Complain to the society concerned - do it annon if you are concerned about potential "black listing". Send in your screen shots evidence etc. Then something may be done. But sadly posting on here just causes a discussion / speculation not backed by evidence and no change to results. Honestly I get fed up of reading, such and such did the am, HP classes and isn't, they cheated. If you can post on here you can complain to the society, or is it just a case of stirring up trouble?
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Post by bighairy on Sept 18, 2014 12:20:09 GMT
I thought supreme was Brookhaven HEAVEN SCENT? she is armature/ Hp not sure who you are referring to!
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Post by juicey on Sept 18, 2014 18:16:26 GMT
Brook farm heaven sent is produced by James hunton at Jerome harforths. But rider is an amateur.
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Post by plaited-pony on Sept 18, 2014 18:39:40 GMT
Is it the inhand pony,as i see them advertising on here for production and livery.
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Post by walkman on Sept 18, 2014 18:46:44 GMT
Should the horse be in the class has bspa rules state no stallions .......the horse is still entire
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Post by Notsourgrapes on Sept 18, 2014 20:32:56 GMT
For goodness sake - you may feel annoyed, agrieved, but DON'T post on here. Complain to the society concerned - do it annon if you are concerned about potential "black listing". Send in your screen shots evidence etc. Then something may be done. But sadly posting on here just causes a discussion / speculation not backed by evidence and no change to results. Honestly I get fed up of reading, such and such did the am, HP classes and isn't, they cheated. If you can post on here you can complain to the society, or is it just a case of stirring up trouble? No it's not stirring up trouble just pointing out that true amateurs who entered in the spirit, as was asked by the society, did, and didn't get the opportunity to go in the supreme. Couldn't care less as retiring ours now but end it all on a bad note.
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Post by Fair competition on Sept 19, 2014 11:53:29 GMT
I think it is right for this to be highlighted on social media - perhaps in future it will stop people competing in classes for which they are illegible and leave the true competitors to compete fairly. If it makes a few think twice so be it !
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Post by big hairy on Sept 19, 2014 17:01:41 GMT
This is the truth, these are the classes that BrookHaven heaven scent competed in to win her Title.
They did class R15 and got reserve which took them through to supreme E. Then, class R24 and R26 which then took them to Noddy penny children's pony of the year, which they won. Also did RI qualifier that day, 2nd and qualified. On Sunday, did open ridden and style and performance, 2x2nd. Evening performance did championship E supreme pony, which we won, that took us to supreme champion of champions, which we won. Definitely no amateur classes or home produced.
I would suggest that you apologise to the party involved and next time take it through the correct Channel before you start to slander people and if you are do it through your own name so we can all avoid you in future.
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Post by hellow on Sept 19, 2014 17:09:40 GMT
But its not brook farm heaven sent anyone is objecting to, its Diesel the in hand champion!
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Post by Team Cupcakes on Sept 19, 2014 17:29:35 GMT
I am sorry that is how the tread was reading when we went through it that's fine then as long as it has now been cleared up.
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Post by Team Cupcakes on Sept 19, 2014 17:31:02 GMT
I am sorry that is how the tread was reading when we went through it that's fine then as long as it has now been cleared up.
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Post by arrogorn on Sept 19, 2014 17:50:54 GMT
who was supreme inhand?
why not named in the thread to stop any confusion?!?
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Post by silvester on Sept 19, 2014 19:30:45 GMT
It is named in this thread, the lovely Diesel, owned by Molly Sibthorpe. A big in hand winner, think it's won lots at BSPA before and Royal Windsor.
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Post by Notsourgrapes on Sept 19, 2014 21:36:52 GMT
It is named in this thread, the lovely Diesel, owned by Molly Sibthorpe. A big in hand winner, think it's won lots at BSPA before and Royal Windsor. It was made clear very early in the thread this is the in hand and whilst Deisel is an exceptional little pony the owner Mollie appears not to be an amateur. The pony did win Windsor and has done very well, so WHY go in an ameteur class when it was not eligible. Absolutely no need. And why would anybody jump to defend cheating? When all we all want is good clean showing? Beats me. Has beaten me. Glad to be out of it.
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Post by whelshy on Sept 20, 2014 8:45:08 GMT
It is so annoying that competitors get away with this .The handler in question obviously must hsve known she wasnt entitled to enter the amateur class . So annoying when competitors spend so much on entries ..diesel etc .Everyone is entitled to a fair chance . Who was the reserve supreme .Expect they are not to pleased . Glad i am out of it .
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Post by silvester on Sept 20, 2014 8:58:59 GMT
Sorry notsourgrapes, I think the initial confusion with this thread as which supreme has cheated, although it's obviously the in hand once you read the thread. Nobody is condoning or supporting this
Have you reported it to the BSPA?
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