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Post by Toaster on Sept 17, 2014 9:03:08 GMT
I have just bought a new pony
he needs the third injection of his initial vaccination programme. the due date for this is Saturday
I can get vets appointments for Friday or next Weds
My question is - which would be better? I have heard stories of ponies having to have the whole course again because one injection was given two or three days too early!
My vet says it makes no difference but I would be interested in the 'showing' point of view please!
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Post by chalky284 on Sept 17, 2014 9:06:08 GMT
I think a few days early is fine but a few days late is a no no. In the world of competition that is!
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Post by Toaster on Sept 17, 2014 9:09:27 GMT
Perfect. Friday it is then! Thank you
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Post by pipandflo on Sept 17, 2014 9:25:31 GMT
There wouldn't be a due date it would be between 2 dates , I think between 90 and150 days but check, if you have before or after these dates they won't allow you into HOYS!! And as for your vet saying it doesn't matter is he going to do the whole course again for nothing when it's deemed invalid?
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Post by Toaster on Sept 17, 2014 9:34:20 GMT
There wouldn't be a due date it would be between 2 dates , I think between 90 and150 days but check, if you have before or after these dates they won't allow you into HOYS!! And as for your vet saying it doesn't matter is he going to do the whole course again for nothing when it's deemed invalid? Thanks, I don't think we will be getting to HOYS anytime but its an expensive mistake to make if I get it wrong and a show does a spot check! The last owner wrote the guidelines in the passport, I will double check them when I am home later thanks
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sarahp
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Post by sarahp on Sept 17, 2014 10:15:06 GMT
The exact dates wouldn't matter medically, but do regulationwise, they must be done by the due date to comply. Not just for HOYS, but other shows too and PC and RC.
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Post by breeze on Sept 17, 2014 11:05:28 GMT
3rd vaccination needs to be done between 150 and 215 days after the second vaccination, i would just make sure it is within those days then no-one can question it
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Sept 17, 2014 13:34:26 GMT
We had to start again once because the vet worked out the 150 days wrong, and she gave it on the 149th (I should have made sure myself - not blaming the vet!) But we had to start again. If it is done prior to the 150 days it is a restart! I only found out the following year when they came to do its booster!
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Post by Dipsy on Sept 17, 2014 13:57:15 GMT
Has anyone come across a problem of the vaccincation being given on the same date, i.e. 15th August 2013 then again on 15th August 2014.....will this cause a problem???
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Post by mikeymoon on Sept 17, 2014 14:06:21 GMT
Has anyone come across a problem of the vaccincation being given on the same date, i.e. 15th August 2013 then again on 15th August 2014.....will this cause a problem??? Check with your vet, but I was lead to believe it should be a least/ min day before due date...so should have been no later than 14th !
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Sept 17, 2014 14:29:41 GMT
It can be done on the same date no problems
In theory it doesn't matter if its done a few days late but its regulations state it has to be done in whatever time frame
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Post by Guestless on Sept 17, 2014 14:55:25 GMT
You definitely don't want to get the dates wrong unless you are prepared to re-start There's a downloadable checker here www.maelorridingclub.co.uk/FLU_VAC_CHECKER2.xls which allows you to put in the dates of the previous jag to check which dates are okay for the next one
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rose66
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Post by rose66 on Sept 17, 2014 19:27:50 GMT
My mare has qualified for hoys. She had her 2nd vaccination in June and her 3rd isn't due before hoys....is that OK or not?
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Sept 17, 2014 21:29:02 GMT
My mare has qualified for hoys. She had her 2nd vaccination in June and her 3rd isn't due before hoys....is that OK or not? I think they are ok if they've had the first 2 injections the schedule will tell you
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Post by Toaster on Sept 17, 2014 21:37:41 GMT
You definitely don't want to get the dates wrong unless you are prepared to re-start There's a downloadable checker here www.maelorridingclub.co.uk/FLU_VAC_CHECKER2.xls which allows you to put in the dates of the previous jag to check which dates are okay for the next one Thank you!
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Post by Philippa on Sept 18, 2014 2:14:05 GMT
I read that boosters should be given within 6 months of the show date but no sooner than 7 days to the show date to comply with FEI rules? ?
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Post by Philippa on Sept 18, 2014 2:23:58 GMT
Direct from HOYS 2014 schedule
INFLUENZA VACCINATION REQUIREMENTS All horses and ponies will be inspected prior to entry to the showground. Any horse or pony without a certificate that complies with the regulations set out below will be refused entry to the showground. The Vaccination Requirements are applicable to every horse or pony at Horse of the Year Show. PLEASE NOTE: International Show Jumping horses must be vaccinated under the rules and regulations of the FEI. All horses and ponies must have a document that shows the identification of the horse or pony on the same sheet of paper, or in the same document as a vaccination section endorsed by a veterinarian, stating that it has received two injections for primary vaccination against equine influenza given no less than 21 (twenty one) days and no more than 92 (ninety two) days apart. In addition, a booster injection must be recorded as having been given within each succeeding 12 (twelve) months, subsequent to the second injection of the primary vaccination. None of these injections must have been given within the preceding 7 (seven) days including the day of the competition or of entry into the competition stables. A DEFRA acceptable passport must be produced for every horse entering the showground. It is understood that some horses whose primary vaccinations pre date the official passport may still have these entered on a separate document; this document must also have the identification of the horse or pony completed.
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Post by 5874julie on Sept 18, 2014 16:07:08 GMT
Direct from HOYS 2014 schedule INFLUENZA VACCINATION REQUIREMENTS All horses and ponies will be inspected prior to entry to the showground. Any horse or pony without a certificate that complies with the regulations set out below will be refused entry to the showground. The Vaccination Requirements are applicable to every horse or pony at Horse of the Year Show. PLEASE NOTE: International Show Jumping horses must be vaccinated under the rules and regulations of the FEI. All horses and ponies must have a document that shows the identification of the horse or pony on the same sheet of paper, or in the same document as a vaccination section endorsed by a veterinarian, stating that it has received two injections for primary vaccination against equine influenza given no less than 21 (twenty one) days and no more than 92 (ninety two) days apart. In addition, a booster injection must be recorded as having been given within each succeeding 12 (twelve) months, subsequent to the second injection of the primary vaccination. None of these injections must have been given within the preceding 7 (seven) days including the day of the competition or of entry into the competition stables. A DEFRA acceptable passport must be produced for every horse entering the showground. It is understood that some horses whose primary vaccinations pre date the official passport may still have these entered on a separate document; this document must also have the identification of the horse or pony completed. if i am reading that correctly i am very surprised as it is out of line with all other vaccination requirements. To start or restart you need two injections as above, but then a third within a timeframe of around 6 months (it is quite a big range of days but nowhere near a year) then an annual booster thereafter. It is acceptable to compete before the third injection but I didn't think you could leave it for a year. We do games and some venues are absolutely draconian about checking passports and vaccinations, climbing into the back of the lorry to check markings and whorls, and checking vacc dates on a schedule, going back years to look for any anomalies. I have known ponies being turned away from a zone/regional competition for failure to comply, much to the distress of their young jockeys.
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Post by Guestless on Sept 18, 2014 16:26:27 GMT
Yes it appears you have right Julie, rather than the standard 6 months for a third jab, it's suggesting it can be up to 12 months - I wonder if they just missed out the third vaccination in the series accidently and skipped straight to the booster. Interesting!
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Post by Philippa on Sept 18, 2014 16:35:34 GMT
Well its in the schedule several times and there is also a section for international show jumpers who fall under fei rules which is obviously wher the 3rd vaccine & the 6 month rule comes in. Ive just had mine done following FEI rules just in case!!
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rose66
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Post by rose66 on Sept 18, 2014 19:48:31 GMT
Spoke to hoys today as my mare can't have her third before 19th October. They said its fine as 3rd only matters for international show jumpers...fei???
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Post by Toaster on Sept 18, 2014 20:22:45 GMT
Thank you everyone, the vet is coming tomorrow as I'd like the new pony looked over and registered with them anyway. It works out about 180 days after the second so we are fine
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Post by arrogorn on Sept 19, 2014 19:58:41 GMT
Boosters need to be done within 12months therefore if they are on 365 days exactly a year to the date then you should be fine, if you were a day later then your within the next calendar year.
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Post by dow12 on Sept 19, 2014 21:53:15 GMT
Make sure its not a leap year ,I made that mistake a few years ago and had to start them all again for been a day out :-(
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