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Post by belfa on Oct 27, 2014 15:25:50 GMT
Hi All Unfortunate accident in my field has left my 7 month old filly with a wound at the front of her hock. She sliced a triangle of skin which vet has stitched back on but he had to cut away the tip and said it would unfortunately leave a scar although foals do heal quite quickly. She was too unsettled to bandage it so she's on oral antibiotics, danilon and I have been given flamazine to put on the wound itself. Vet likes manuka honey but said it's more beneficial if she was bandaged, hence he gave me the flamazine. So, once the stitches are out in 2 weeks and there is hopefully a lovely scab on the bit where there is no skin, does anyone have any success stories on what they used to reduce scarring? I can cope if the hair comes back white, as that can be masked easily enough, but if anyone has suggestion on reducing the scar size and promoting that hair growth that would be great! I do have mega-tek (think that's what it's called) somewhere! Many thanks
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Post by sarahp on Oct 27, 2014 15:31:03 GMT
I was given some udder cream - yearling had a bite on his ribs and skin the area of a man's outstretched hand completely sloughed off to leave raw flesh, I couldn't see how the skin could ever join up over it again, never mind scarring. It did, no scars and you can't tell it ever happened now. Don't ask me what was in the udder cream though, gunky looking orange stuff in a yoghurt pot evidently taken from a bigger container.
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Post by Welshy86 on Oct 27, 2014 15:32:58 GMT
Mine had a kick that needed stitching up about 6 months ago, they gave me some antibiotic cream/gel that I put on twice a day and was told to wipe with Epsom salt water... I was advised you need to keep it moist for it not to scar... it didn't on this occasion. I also had Horsewear Hypocare spray that I used once the stitches were out and left the hair to grow back on it's own. Mine is chestnut so I was worried about a white scar but all was ok Attachment Deleted
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Post by loopylouis on Oct 27, 2014 15:48:41 GMT
Aloe vera gel, vitamin E oil and a bit of sugar to bind the two together. Mix and apply.
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Post by belfa on Oct 27, 2014 17:27:55 GMT
I have used udder cream on mud rash before actually - I have read now that keeping it moist is the best course of action so that will help to do that.
I had never heard of Hypocare so looked it up, it seems like a staple grooming kit requirement! I will be sure to get some.
I am an aloe vera fan too! I can see it keeping the wound moist and helping to heel, along with the vit E.
Ah the decisions!
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Post by Wishiwasrich on Oct 27, 2014 18:58:02 GMT
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Post by YeeeHaaaa!!!! on Oct 27, 2014 19:21:43 GMT
Dermagel it's amazing stuff, only bout £13, my horse had sarcoid removed from eyelid and sheath and it healed so well you can't even see where they were and the tiniest scar! Use it for everything
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Post by belfa on Oct 28, 2014 10:53:40 GMT
What about Camrosa cream? Or is that a bit old fashioned now?
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Post by ChartsideStud on Oct 28, 2014 11:56:24 GMT
Another one for Derma gel, my vets normally give it to me when mine have had bad cuts but I also buy it off the shelf. It says in the description too that it helps with scaring and returning the hair to its correct colour.
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Post by belfa on Oct 28, 2014 13:39:28 GMT
Where do you buy Derma gel? I have looked at their website but it only lists stockists in America & Canada?
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 28, 2014 14:17:00 GMT
Aloe vera gel, vitamin E oil and a bit of sugar to bind the two together. Mix and apply. My (very down-to earth) Vet advises the honey option (any old thick, grainy honey from the s'mart- it doesn't need to be posh) - but over time I would have to agree with the cheep'n cheery udder cream - and the above is a good sounding option, too. Like the granular honey, the coarse grain sugar when gently massaged in, would be helpful to prevent Proud flesh forming. Or, use the Aloe Vera and (small amount of) Vit E oil suggestion, blended with the coarse grain cheapo-honey option. The regular gentle MASSAGE is key, whatever the choice. At least the pesky flies will have drowned in this rain by now! Yes, your foal is on the grow. Maintained, the scar tissue won't. Good luck with your choice of potion
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Post by lisadundee on Oct 28, 2014 18:14:23 GMT
Manuka honey!! You can't even see my boys scar from using manuka honey from word go! Attachments:
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Post by roseview on Oct 28, 2014 21:41:59 GMT
I had a 14.2 who had a de-gloving injury and her leg was a mess. We used Aloe Vera and she went on to have a very successful career in the show ring. I've also used Equiaid with great results on proud flesh.
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Post by belfa on Oct 28, 2014 22:29:21 GMT
Whoa, I'm really stuck on what to choose lol.
I am having trouble applying anything to her as she panics (hence the accident in the first place!). I think that for now, whatever I can get that comes in a tube and I can squirt on without getting too close will be good.
If anyone has any suggestions on how to apply to a timid foal please pass them my way!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 29, 2014 7:54:39 GMT
Whoa, I'm really stuck on what to choose lol. I am having trouble applying anything to her as she panics (hence the accident in the first place!). I think that for now, whatever I can get that comes in a tube and I can squirt on without getting too close will be good. If anyone has any suggestions on how to apply to a timid foal please pass them my way! Any soft cream which helps the wound to heal slowly whilst not drying out will be better than nothing. The wound needs to heal gently from the outside so the 'edges' must remain soft. BUT, here is your chance to educate this potential-growing-into-a-thug-of-a-teenager that you are there to help it. It MUST learn to stand to be handled or you will be creating a phobia for life. Enlist calm, sensible (insured!) help, work in a safe area, make the animal stand close to the wall. Handle all over. A minimum of daily. Apply your chosen potion when you get to the injury then continue handling as if nothing had happened. In time the foal will appreciate that you ae healing the wound. Seriously. Reading back, I've spotted the word 'timid' in your prose. Newly weaned foals miss mum and can be won round with regular, routine handling, patience and a calm persona. Beware of using titbits for this or the foal gets entirely the wrong idea of the human / equine social balance!
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Post by sarahp on Oct 29, 2014 9:49:41 GMT
Agreed, I'm just working on a weaned foal that arrived last Friday, somewhat amazed at having been uprooted from everything he knew, then thought he'd have a paddy when not released immediately he went in the field. Coming on nicely now.
I did have a similar scenario to the OP's foal but with two older, very well handled and angelic ponies who got photosensitisation and subsequent arteritis in all their 8 long white stockings which went purple and were just too sore to allow them to be touched, I could see their point. They had to be kept lubricated, and I resorted to squirtable baby oil which worked well although they didn't need anything healing. Maybe in the mean time while you are doing the handling oil mixed with something active would help in the short term?
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Post by belfa on Oct 29, 2014 13:52:07 GMT
Thanks Sarah and Caroline. I bought Aloe Vera Gel at lunchtime - a massive bottle of it from Boots with the idea that it will keep it moist at least for now until she'll let me touch. I have a big syringe for flushing and will try and use that to squirt it on. She knew what I was up to this morning with the Flamazine so I didn't have much luck. She's settled enough now I think for her to have a good groom and hopefully she'll let me brush down her legs as , to be fair, it's only the sore leg that she won't let me touch.
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Post by lisadundee on Oct 29, 2014 13:57:36 GMT
The aloe vet spray is fantastic too, I have the gel and the spray but the spray is better for wounds you can't get near and works as well x
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 29, 2014 16:07:25 GMT
Thanks Sarah and Caroline. I bought Aloe Vera Gel at lunchtime - a massive bottle of it from Boots with the idea that it will keep it moist at least for now until she'll let me touch. I have a big syringe for flushing and will try and use that to squirt it on. She knew what I was up to this morning with the Flamazine so I didn't have much luck. She's settled enough now I think for her to have a good groom and hopefully she'll let me brush down her legs as , to be fair, it's only the sore leg that she won't let me touch. Is she then sufficiently advanced in 'handling' that she will allow you to touch or pick up (even better!) the other leg on the same side? A quick wipe/spray to the wound when she 'thinks' you are touching another part of her anatomy . . . Yes, you need to be dexterous, but that is all part of the kidology!!
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Post by thomasthetank on Oct 29, 2014 19:06:50 GMT
Camrosa is good
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Post by belfa on Oct 30, 2014 9:30:11 GMT
I had success last night! I was by myself so it could have gone either way but she let me rub the flamazine right in to the stitches. I basically rewarded her every time she let me touch a different part of her and had the cream over my hands so she let me. She didn't like it when I went back to get more from the tube so I left the cream and left her alone once she let me touch her leg one last time.
I am going to move on to the aloe tonight hopefully as it should last longer - the flamazine seems to dry in very quickly and she's not quite ready for me to attempt to put anything on in the morning as well as the evening.
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Oct 30, 2014 18:14:35 GMT
Dermagel it's amazing stuff, only bout £13, my horse had sarcoid removed from eyelid and sheath and it healed so well you can't even see where they were and the tiniest scar! Use it for everything That's interesting and where can I buy them ??
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 30, 2014 18:36:25 GMT
Another vote for Hypocare Spray ....brilliant stuff for wounds as well as skin conditions xxxx
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Post by belfa on Nov 6, 2014 14:52:42 GMT
Hi thought I'd do an update.
Yesterday I thought the wound looked quite open so I called the vet out and the stitches have done a good job at knitting the bottom edges of the triangle of skin back together and the flesh has grown back nicely however, the middle bit of the skin has died off. She's got the stitches out and vet has put Manuka honey on the wound with lots of bandages. This needs done every other day, with some sedating to keep her quiet (£££!). Hopefully that will help with the scarring massively.
Our next challenge is getting her to stand still for the needle as we got splattered with blood yesterday. She is just timid, not bolshy and does eventually give up and let you get on with it - we just need her to do this a bit quicker!
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Post by judyh on Nov 6, 2014 17:17:54 GMT
Twitch her, it will save hassle.
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Post by belfa on Nov 22, 2014 21:09:56 GMT
Hi thought i'd do an update. She only needed a couple of sedations before she was totally fine with the vet so we don't have any issues now. She had her Manuka Honey bandage on for a week and all the flesh came back nicely. Here's a picture of the wound when the skin had died off:
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Post by belfa on Nov 22, 2014 21:11:12 GMT
Here's a picture from today, she has been bandage free all week and vet is happy to leave it now but I think she still needs an ointment - what does everyone else think?
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Post by ann0bella on Nov 22, 2014 22:23:18 GMT
I would use botanica herbal cream my mare degloved her back leg and I used botanica it's amazing stuff you could see the difference every day I have a photo diary if you want to see the pictures . . .i now use it on everything and wouldn't be without a tub
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Post by splash30 on Nov 29, 2014 7:04:03 GMT
Find someone with a blue medical laser, ive seen amazing results with a friends horse with manuka honey and laser. The horse degloved his leg and now its just a thin line after healing totally, vets were amazed.
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Post by fredaf on Nov 29, 2014 11:22:25 GMT
Botanica is great - we always have a tub around, definitely one of the best you can use and smells lovely. I too have a photo diary somewhere.
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