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Post by confused cobby on Oct 30, 2014 13:27:20 GMT
Hi All, just a quick questiion I have a coloured cob but i dont know wherther to let him grow heair an feather an be a trab or trim him up as a native what is the differance between the two if there both coloured? Thanks
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Post by kidside on Oct 30, 2014 14:43:22 GMT
There is 2 a native is as a native should be ie welsh cob, shettie, basic trimming and little feather, traditional has plenty of mane and tail and feather upto knee covering the hoof too put some pics on to give us a better idea
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Post by dancer on Nov 2, 2014 0:54:42 GMT
As Kidside says, a Native will have less mane & feather - Traditional has lots of mane & feather from the back of the knee/hock.
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Post by foxyt on Nov 2, 2014 9:10:56 GMT
Am I a bit out of touch? I thought that a native was breed related? As in a breed that is native to this country (and Ireland ) and should be shown in a natural state. Traditional gypsy cobs, coloured and hairy seem to have evolved over the past 30 years in to a specific type, and again should be show in a natural state. Am I right so far??? Show ponies, hunters and working cobs were all trimmed, plated, hogged etc to help them function in their jobs, and this is how the are shown???
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Post by rocknroll on Nov 3, 2014 15:47:29 GMT
With you on this one foxyt, I must be out of touch too.
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Post by jakkibag on Nov 3, 2014 16:07:29 GMT
A coloured 'native' is very different to a traditional, they may both be coloured but they are different types, both Chaps and Bspa websites have pictures and descriptions of types which you can compare your pony against, Foxyt , you are correct, they may have patches but they are shown to type, so coloured show pony turned out like a show pony, a coloured Welsh type would be turned out as a native in coloured classes which is what OP is referring to.
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Post by foxyt on Nov 3, 2014 16:14:04 GMT
Oh, thank you.
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Post by rocknroll on Nov 3, 2014 19:42:53 GMT
Well I never jackkibag, you learn something new every day. Never owned a coloured and always thought natives were indigenous breeds and solid colours. Hmm, thanks.
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Post by confused cobby on Nov 3, 2014 19:54:47 GMT
Thanks guys so what if I have a small cob with little feather an mane but he isn't a section D (native to british isles )on his passport it says irish cob etc can he be shown as a native ?x
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Post by aura on Nov 3, 2014 22:44:42 GMT
Post a picture
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Post by sjw87 on Nov 4, 2014 7:31:39 GMT
Well I never jackkibag, you learn something new every day. Never owned a coloured and always thought natives were indigenous breeds and solid colours. Hmm, thanks. You're right with your definition of natives. M&M classes are breed based whereas coloured classes are based on type. With coloureds for example, I have a piebald who is a Welsh D stamp (got welsh and coloured cob in him) so whilst he obviously can't be shown as an m&m, he is a 'native type' coloured. Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by Toaster on Nov 4, 2014 16:21:22 GMT
'native type' is a much better way of describing them, makes it much clearer I think. The word Native to some people means something very different - only serves to confuse the whole Dartmoor 'hill pony' situation further too!
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Post by sjw87 on Nov 4, 2014 19:09:58 GMT
Well I never jackkibag, you learn something new every day. Never owned a coloured and always thought natives were indigenous breeds and solid colours. Hmm, thanks. You're right with your definition of natives. M&M classes are breed based whereas coloured classes are based on type. With coloureds for example, I have a piebald who is a Welsh D stamp (got welsh and coloured cob in him) so whilst he obviously can't be shown as an m&m, he is a 'native type' coloured. Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards Pic of him (if it works!) - photoshop him to be a solid colour and he's a welsh d! Totally different stamp to the traditional and the show cob, the three of which are amalgamated into one class (native, cob and traditional coloured). Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards Attachments:
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Post by foxyt on Nov 4, 2014 21:11:21 GMT
It must be really hard to judge, especially if there is just one coloured class at a show and you have all different types to be judged together just because they are the same " colour way" ! You can tell I owned a boring bay for 20yrs and have now jazzed it up with a chestnutter!
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Post by sjw87 on Nov 4, 2014 21:20:32 GMT
It must be really hard to judge, especially if there is just one coloured class at a show and you have all different types to be judged together just because they are the same " colour way" ! You can tell I owned a boring bay for 20yrs and have now jazzed it up with a chestnutter! Extremely difficult and of course judges will always have their own preferences on 'type'. In an open coloured class you could have everything from a shetland to heavyweight hunter and show pony to traditional and it can make things very interesting as the classes are becoming so well supported. At least bays and chestnuts are easier to clean!! Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by foxyt on Nov 4, 2014 21:42:23 GMT
Mmmmm but we have also got a small white Sec A who makes up for all the horses, his latest trick is he can now un zip his snuggy hood an pull it off his head, tuck it down the inside of his rug and Matt thick mud all over his head! If you bath him he rolls on the concrete if you turn around to fill a bucket!
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Post by sjw87 on Nov 4, 2014 22:24:46 GMT
I don't envy you!
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