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Post by Pricedout on Mar 21, 2015 20:09:34 GMT
ive just had a schedule through for the great yorkshire Where does the extra £25 come from just for not being a member?! And HOYs levy on top, It's going to cost me £61 just for one class just for the experience! Most other schedules I've looked at are between 30-40 with levy included
Posting as a guest as I don't want to get a "bad name" for moaning about the cost by any organisers
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Post by Philippa on Mar 21, 2015 21:26:04 GMT
Ooh don't worry about moaning. I'm a member, I've already paid it to try ease the cost of entry for this show as I should have had 2 LR ponies there but sadly only one going now but I've looked at stable for the night and for a member its forty quid!!!! Omg that's extortionate. I'm sure it was £50 last year for non members and half for members? This year £60 for non members, £40 for members jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz GYS what's that all about? .
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Post by judyh on Mar 22, 2015 6:28:11 GMT
Plus the ring provided for Lead Rein and First Ridden is ridiculous......
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Post by MarthaW on Mar 22, 2015 6:53:25 GMT
I have recently decided to give up doing qualifiers and county shows and will be selling one of my ponies who does the top-level stuff as the cost of entries, stabling, travel etc has become too much, alongside the inconsistency of judging. I am looking forward to having more time and money for dressage, jumping, pleasure rides etc. I have well and truly fallen out of love with showing!
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Post by comanchediva on Mar 22, 2015 8:11:36 GMT
Looked at the schedule yesterday but didn't check the entry fees although my sister said the Fell inhand class fees have gone up. It was £58 last year for a coloured youngstock inhand class which is utterly ridiculous but I'm thinking the Fell classes might be the same this year. I don't know how they justify it but I don't think it'll ever change
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Post by Pricedout on Mar 22, 2015 8:49:12 GMT
I think it's probably obvious who I am for those that have me on facebook anyway haha, I'm only going because it's my home county show, I've had to give Lincoln a miss because I can't afford both
I too have fallen out of love with showing, if I didn't have my little pony I would be just doing dressage and jumping too! I've even swapped my show saddle for a GP!
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Post by cayo on Mar 22, 2015 9:00:49 GMT
it is way over the top but if you inc the two admittance tickets you get it doesnt sound so bad lol
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Post by Philippa on Mar 22, 2015 9:01:15 GMT
I think as a member my hoys LR SP class is only £36. It's a bad job when the stable is more than the entry. I also go because it's my home County show & I love it. It is very expensive though.
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Post by sjw87 on Mar 22, 2015 9:25:08 GMT
it is way over the top but if you inc the two admittance tickets you get it doesnt sound so bad lol How many people actually make use of admittance tickets though except for getting onto site to be able to show? My 'local' county show is Cheshire and as our classes aren't until the afternoon, it's either a case of having the horse stood on the lorry all morning unnecessarily so that we can have a mooch round the showground or turn up just for our class (once our class is over the showground is winding down for the day). As it's a 2 day show, I'd love it if the admittance tickets with my entries could be used for going as a spectator on the day that I'm not competing. Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by Sunflowers on Mar 22, 2015 14:36:30 GMT
I know what you mean about the admittance tickets. I have just entered Windsor and will be making use of these tickets for daughter, me, mum and dad but I'm going to be on edge the whole time because pony will be on the lorry alone and it is miles away. He is very good though and with a large haynet he will be quite contented so long as it doesn't get too hot! Surely it would be better to drop the price of the entries and give us the opportunity to 'top up' with admittance tickets if we want or even can walk round the show. I went to Herts County once and it peed down with rain so hard all day I didn't want to venture out into the showground again!
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Post by Pricedouttoo on Mar 22, 2015 15:34:56 GMT
prices have really gone up all round this year, was going to make the trip to Scotland for Scottish , but stabling is £85 per stable for 1 night, two ponies, two stables two lots of HOYs quals, just not sure I can justify circa £600 on All associated costs for 1 day?
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Post by Philippa on Mar 22, 2015 17:52:03 GMT
prices have really gone up all round this year, was going to make the trip to Scotland for Scottish , but stabling is £85 per stable for 1 night, two ponies, two stables two lots of HOYs quals, just not sure I can justify circa £600 on All associated costs for 1 day? Good god and I thought £40 was steep!!!!
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Post by catkin on Mar 22, 2015 18:08:20 GMT
I think the membership status bit for county shows is the thing that really irks me. I don't live near them, so why would I be a member except to get cheaper entries? Surely that's not the spirit of it? I do agree about entries. Much to our delight our pony qualfied for RIHS first time out and I have to say, one of the delights was knowing we didn't have to keep paying £40odd quid a class for a while! We do want to show her a bit though, so I thought we'd go and do some premier leagues etc, but actually, for the shows I want to go to, its hard to find an open class that isn't a qualifier.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Mar 23, 2015 8:01:09 GMT
prices have really gone up all round this year, was going to make the trip to Scotland for Scottish , but stabling is £85 per stable for 1 night, two ponies, two stables two lots of HOYs quals, just not sure I can justify circa £600 on All associated costs for 1 day? Good god and I thought £40 was steep!!!! Answering your comments as Scottish Horse Show Stable Manager and on behalf of the show's committee, we understand completely, but, this price reflects the real cost of hiring the temporary stables (transportation, erection, dismantling). Contingencies such as muck & refuse removal. As at many venues and unlike (say, the GYS and Malvern) there are no permanent stables on the Royal Highland Showground. Bedding is included (at the previous venue, exhibitors had to purchase or bring bedding on top of the stable hire price. We understand - and we discussed this at considerable length but a show simply cannot afford to 'underwrite' these costs. If you read carefully the info I've put on the stable booking form you can see that there is some stabling available in the locality so there is that option if you wish. Agricultural shows - such as GYS, Lincoln, S of E, Norfolk, Suffolk, Three Counties, B&W, Devon Co, R Cornwall, RHAS . . . . etc. own their own showgrounds so there are no ground hire costs involved. Smaller shows running shows at a venue have steep venue costs to meet before even starting to pay for the hired in ancillary stuff such as stabling, marquees etc. etc. Running an event is no breeze and, for the most part, is undertaken totally voluntarily. Back to the SHS stabling, do e-mail me at caroline.nelson4@btinternet.com if I can be of further help.
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Post by catkin on Mar 23, 2015 9:04:06 GMT
Good point from CarolineNelson re: who owns the showground!
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Mar 23, 2015 9:06:20 GMT
It's my local county show too but the cost is just getting out of hand. Having only the permanent stables now they know they'll fill them so charge what they want! Mind you it wasn't a vast cheaper when they did have them! Membership seems only viable if you're taking more than one. I debated last year and decided not to enter, was pleased as the crazy m and m lead rein /first ridden classes were basically a queue of ponies and in my opinion dangerous.
I like to use it as a mini break, go in my lorry, socialise and just pay to get in, unless I get cheaper tickets off friends etc. I always end up wishing I'd entered! Debating this year now........shall I or shan't I? Always been fortunate enough to come away with a prize but there are lots of other shows I can go to for what it costs to enter/stable there.
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Post by Philippa on Mar 23, 2015 12:29:35 GMT
Im entering as usual but I wont be staying over, fortunately Maisies LR class is 1000 Thursday so time to get class over and have a wander, at least it wont be too hot at that time and unlike last year in the M&M LR there wont be 40 SP LR's lol.
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Post by sundance20 on Mar 23, 2015 13:07:26 GMT
I'm replying under my actual login now, so apologies to admin if this isn't allowed!
Good point from CarolineNelson, but shouldn't this mean that the shows with own show ground & permanent stabling should be cheaper?
Anyway, its looking like an early alarm for me and just pray the pony does well, take him home and return for a look round!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Mar 23, 2015 13:56:59 GMT
I'm replying under my actual login now, so apologies to admin if this isn't allowed! Good point from Caroline Nelson, but shouldn't this mean that the shows with own show ground & permanent stabling should be cheaper? Anyway, its looking like an early alarm for me and just pray the pony does well, take him home and return for a look round! Please note that I responded solely to the comment regarding the Scottish Horse Show / stabling, as that is one of my remits as a committee member of that Show. Have no wish to be quoted slightly out of context with regard to other Show's price structure. Many thanks. To be fair to venues though, you need to take into consideration the seemingly endless upkeep, constant improvements and modernisation which permanent venues simply have to make to remain in the game, let alone be the best in their area - both geographically and that of venue reputation / 'hireability'.
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Post by mandmgirl0164 on Mar 23, 2015 15:33:28 GMT
Bearing in mind how many agricultural and county shows have fallen by the wayside over the last ten years alone - including The Royal, Royal Lancs (now being resurrected - I wish them luck)etc, I think the Yorkshire Agricultural Sociey/Great Yorkshire Show do a tremendous job to keep their show on the road. If the YAS had been running such a large three day show on a shoestring, it could have finished them off after the cancellation a couple of years ago due to the horrendous weather. Entry fees etc don't just pay for the current upcoming show, but to safeguard the future of the show.
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Post by kaya on Mar 23, 2015 16:29:22 GMT
What annoys me about GYS is that overnight horsebox parking is free, but if you are not fortunate enough to possess a vehicle with living, it costs £20 for you to be able to put a two man tent next to your trailer.
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Post by sjw87 on Mar 23, 2015 16:41:19 GMT
Bearing in mind how many agricultural and county shows have fallen by the wayside over the last ten years alone - including The Royal, Royal Lancs (now being resurrected - I wish them luck)etc, I think the Yorkshire Agricultural Sociey/Great Yorkshire Show do a tremendous job to keep their show on the road. If the YAS had been running such a large three day show on a shoestring, it could have finished them off after the cancellation a couple of years ago due to the horrendous weather. Entry fees etc don't just pay for the current upcoming show, but to safeguard the future of the show. You are absolutely correct and the show societies do an absolutely fantastic job in the vast majority of cases but ultimately, a lot of competitors ARE on a shoestring budget. Surely the committees need to safeguard the future of the show by ensuring that it's financially accessible and fair for competitors in order to keep the entry fees coming in. After all, rubbish weather on show day will annihilate admission ticket sales but entry fees will already be money in the bank. I totally appreciate the fact that costs have to be covered and as shown by Caroline Nelson, these costs can be far higher than you'd imagine. However, would free tent pitching in the case above or (non transferrable) duration admission tickets for competitors for shows running over more than one day really break the bank? Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by Philippa on Mar 23, 2015 18:18:44 GMT
My gripe is stabling, I used to book stables on a Wednesday night at the GYS for a fiver each!!! Now if you are not a member (which I am) its £60!! I think my membership at £88, my class entry at £36 is fine, but im d**ned if I think £40 for a stable is ok, id have been ok with £30 which is half the cost of non members but when my overnight stable is costing more than my HOYS Qu class I dont think its on.
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Post by sundance20 on Mar 23, 2015 21:43:13 GMT
Bearing in mind how many agricultural and county shows have fallen by the wayside over the last ten years alone - including The Royal, Royal Lancs (now being resurrected - I wish them luck)etc, I think the Yorkshire Agricultural Sociey/Great Yorkshire Show do a tremendous job to keep their show on the road. If the YAS had been running such a large three day show on a shoestring, it could have finished them off after the cancellation a couple of years ago due to the horrendous weather. Entry fees etc don't just pay for the current upcoming show, but to safeguard the future of the show. You are absolutely correct and the show societies do an absolutely fantastic job in the vast majority of cases but ultimately, a lot of competitors ARE on a shoestring budget. Surely the committees need to safeguard the future of the show by ensuring that it's financially accessible and fair for competitors in order to keep the entry fees coming in. After all, rubbish weather on show day will annihilate admission ticket sales but entry fees will already be money in the bank. Completely understand CarolineNelson And totally agree with this, without competitors there would be no show, and as my username used as a guest implies, i am one competitor that just simply isn't able to justify the fees to enter, which in turn keeps the show going and has to carefully choose which ones to do, as much as i would love to support them all.
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Post by conniegirl on Mar 24, 2015 8:21:24 GMT
Tbh £80 a night for stabling is insane and extremely off putting. It's £80 for a weeks stabling at CHAPS champs!
i am like most competitors, on a budget and whilst I'm doing HOYS qualifiers this year I am seriously counting the cost.
I would have loved to come up to the Scottish show but with fuel, overnight stabling, class entry and time off work it would be nearly £600 for one show, I simply can't justify it when I can do festival of hunting the next day for less than half the cost! Or Derbyshire festival for under £200 including overnight stables on the show ground and a hack round the farm ride without having to take a day off work
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Post by rosiemay9 on Mar 24, 2015 9:51:58 GMT
£80 a night...WHAT!!! i pay £100 a week i think for royal welsh or £125 and that is 5 nights! Jesus that's steep.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Mar 24, 2015 9:59:41 GMT
Tbh £80 a night for stabling is insane and extremely off putting. It's £80 for a weeks stabling at CHAPS champs! i am like most competitors, on a budget and whilst I'm doing HOYS qualifiers this year I am seriously counting the cost. I would have loved to come up to the Scottish show but with fuel, overnight stabling, class entry and time off work it would be nearly £600 for one show, I simply can't justify it when I can do festival of hunting the next day for less than half the cost! Or Derbyshire festival for under £200 including overnight stables on the show ground and a hack round the farm ride without having to take a day off work Conniegirl, apologies, "insane" it might seem. But as stated above, that is the cost of hiring them in. Many of the temp. stables at Arena UK are there 'permanently'. As you rightly state, you can stay at XYZ for a 'week'. Hiring temporary stabling for a number of days for a show which runs for a number of days spreads out the hire cost to the hiree. An alternative for a major one day show might be to a) have no on-site overnight stabling . . . or b) not to run a show for competitors to enjoy.. And that is not an option. The show you've highlighted at Arena UK is a 'Member's show. An end of season 'party' if you wish. And, to be honest, the other show you mentioned, the 'Festival of Hunting' is an amalgam of the sadly defunct East of England Agricultural Society Show and the Peterborough Hound Show. Why could the brilliant, historic East of England not continue in its known format? Costs. :'(
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Post by abigail on Mar 24, 2015 10:32:36 GMT
Tbh £80 a night for stabling is insane and extremely off putting. It's £80 for a weeks stabling at CHAPS champs! i am like most competitors, on a budget and whilst I'm doing HOYS qualifiers this year I am seriously counting the cost. I would have loved to come up to the Scottish show but with fuel, overnight stabling, class entry and time off work it would be nearly £600 for one show, I simply can't justify it when I can do festival of hunting the next day for less than half the cost! Or Derbyshire festival for under £200 including overnight stables on the show ground and a hack round the farm ride without having to take a day off work Conniegirl, apologies, "insane" it might seem. But as stated above, that is the cost of hiring them in. Many of the temp. stables at Arena UK are there 'permanently'. As you rightly state, you can stay at XYZ for a 'week'. Hiring temporary stabling for a number of days for a show which runs for a number of days spreads out the hire cost to the hiree. An alternative for a major one day show might be to a) have no on-site overnight stabling . . . or b) not to run a show for competitors to enjoy.. And that is not an option. The show you've highlighted at Arena UK is a 'Member's show. An end of season 'party' if you wish. And, to be honest, the other show you mentioned, the 'Festival of Hunting' is an amalgam of the sadly defunct East of England Agricultural Society Show and the Peterborough Hound Show. Why could the brilliant, historic East of England not continue in its known format? Costs. loved East of England show, another that's seemed to disappear was Leicestershire County show
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Post by Philippa on Mar 24, 2015 10:53:54 GMT
Tbh £80 a night for stabling is insane and extremely off putting. It's £80 for a weeks stabling at CHAPS champs! i am like most competitors, on a budget and whilst I'm doing HOYS qualifiers this year I am seriously counting the cost. I would have loved to come up to the Scottish show but with fuel, overnight stabling, class entry and time off work it would be nearly £600 for one show, I simply can't justify it when I can do festival of hunting the next day for less than half the cost! Or Derbyshire festival for under £200 including overnight stables on the show ground and a hack round the farm ride without having to take a day off work Conniegirl, apologies, "insane" it might seem. But as stated above, that is the cost of hiring them in. Many of the temp. stables at Arena UK are there 'permanently'. As you rightly state, you can stay at XYZ for a 'week'. Hiring temporary stabling for a number of days for a show which runs for a number of days spreads out the hire cost to the hiree. An alternative for a major one day show might be to a) have no on-site overnight stabling . . . or b) not to run a show for competitors to enjoy.. And that is not an option. The show you've highlighted at Arena UK is a 'Member's show. An end of season 'party' if you wish. And, to be honest, the other show you mentioned, the 'Festival of Hunting' is an amalgam of the sadly defunct East of England Agricultural Society Show and the Peterborough Hound Show. Why could the brilliant, historic East of England not continue in its known format? Costs. Interesting that the Scottish horse show is at the Royal Highland Showground who themselves only (i say that in context with my reply here only) charge £68 per stable.
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Post by conniegirl on Mar 24, 2015 12:23:56 GMT
yet derbyshire festival have to hire Somerford park and all the associate facilities yest manage to keep costs down. CHAPS may be a members only show and a "party" but it still manages to turn a profit!
East of England could not keep going because it could not get enough competitors to cover its costs, IMO because it priced itself out of the market.
Shows need to start being realistic with thier prices or many more are going to follow in the path of EoE, It would be sad to see other shows go the same way but people are struggling financialy and surely its better to have 10 competitors at £20 an entry than 1 competitor at £60! Heck at £20 you'll get people doing several classes with the same horse if they are eligible. its all about value for money.
E.g. GYS, it is £58 per class plus the 11 hoys levy for relevant classes. so there are 7 classes my lad is eligible for nicely spread over the 3 days. at £58 a class i am only contemplating doing 1 class but most likely wont bother as its a long way to go for one class. at £20 a class i'd be more inclined to do 2 classes a day (so 6 total) and stay over (so purchase stabling from them) and make a holiday of it. So GYS are currently likely to get £0 from me or if I have a fit of madness £58. If they reduced thier entry fees they could have had £120 plus stabling from me. Shows need to start offering better value for money or they will start dieing off as people migrate to disciplines and shows where the entry fees, stabling, prize money etc are better.
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