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Post by ashleigh19 on Apr 11, 2015 18:00:06 GMT
I am looking to get a ifor Williams 506 trailer. I need a car which can tow no less than 2100/2200kg. What do people tow with? I am looking to spend no more than 15k
Thank you
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Post by fanfarefan on Apr 11, 2015 18:52:10 GMT
ive had my Toyota Landcruiser now for 5yrs ,and to be honest i wouldnt tow with anything else ,,, its fab ,,,, ive had 2 Nissan Terranos which were good , but not a patch on the Cruiser
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Post by ashleigh19 on Apr 11, 2015 21:12:19 GMT
I did look at these but a little out of my price range really. I don't want a brand new car buy looking for something relatively new....
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Post by chalky284 on Apr 11, 2015 21:48:11 GMT
Have a look at ssangyong rexton, a lot of car for your money and great to tow with too!! All Mercedes but under a different badge!
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Post by cayo on Apr 12, 2015 7:43:43 GMT
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Post by Louise Dixon on Apr 12, 2015 10:32:51 GMT
Have a look at ssangyong rexton, a lot of car for your money and great to tow with too!! All Mercedes but under a different badge! I looked at these and was VERY impressed. Towed brilliantly, fantastic capacity, really great value car. The only thing that stopped my buying one was that I couldn't fit 3 children's seats in a row in the back safely, not because of space, but just the shape of the rear seat, the centre one was very unstable - did seriously consider selling a child to get the car! Would have been fine with 2 children, or an older one just needing a booster cushion, though.
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Post by fanfarefan on Apr 12, 2015 11:01:06 GMT
My Landcruiser isnt new its 1999 model , but had low mileage ,,,, and its 7 seater !!!
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Post by kirky on Apr 12, 2015 15:20:00 GMT
I've got a Volkswagen Touareg which is brilliant for towing. The other 4x4 that's good is a Kia Sorento, which I had prior to the VW, however it needs to be 2009 or older as the later models can only tow 2 ton.
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Post by ROG on Apr 12, 2015 18:53:49 GMT
If you have a B+E licence then ignore me but if not then please reply
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Post by blueskyes on Apr 12, 2015 19:36:25 GMT
We've just bought a 2008 Kia Sorrento 4x4 after doing quite a lot of research. It's amazingly low mileage and in fantastic condition. Now to find a trailer to put it to the test...!!! Good luck with whatever you opt for! x
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Post by mcnaughty on Apr 14, 2015 13:34:10 GMT
Don't buy a landrover anything! They are amazing towers but break down all the time!!
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Post by bouncer on Apr 14, 2015 14:16:03 GMT
Worth looking at Toyota Surf import, (3rd generation 3l TD is best model, 1996 onward, because the 4WD system is superior) they will tow up to 2800kg and most are automatic. You can pick up a good one for around £5K. Ours has gone everywhere and done everything, comfortable & roomy inside too
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Post by ashleigh19 on Apr 16, 2015 21:30:51 GMT
Thank you for your comments. I am still torn after spending every night for two weeks looking at specs. Thinking about the kia and going to the mitsubishi garage to have a look at the L200 range. I haven't got B+E on my licence yet.
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Post by danichapel on Apr 19, 2015 14:10:18 GMT
You have to find out how much the car can tow braked. Make sure you are legal, I was at a show last year when police turned up and told many competitors that they were illegal There is NOTHING wrong with Landrovers, like every make, you will get bad ones, personally I would not tow with anything less than LR, Land Crusier or Shogun, or one of the many 'pick up' vehicles now available, keep the vehicle in good order, check tyres etc If in doubt, contact the manufacturer to clarify towing ability, don't just buy something because Joe Bloggs tows with one or said it would be ok
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Post by ROG on Apr 20, 2015 6:07:35 GMT
I haven't got B+E on my licence yet. Then this might be useful .......... SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNERIn April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test. They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner. All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways. The usual rules apply when a learner is driving - The supervising driver must be aged over 21 The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer Correct insurance for a B+E learner The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving
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Post by xxkizzyxx on Apr 20, 2015 19:37:21 GMT
be very careful with what you choose! you need to choose something capable of pulling 3tonne really! I have a freelander capable of towing the trailer and one horse being under the 2tonne limit it can tow but even putting the empty trailer on makes us illegal as the trailer is plated for 2.7tonne therefore over the weight you can safely tow! Its a dodgy market out there now! I think there a very few vehicles 'legal' for the job!
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Post by ROG on Apr 21, 2015 7:20:55 GMT
be very careful with what you choose! you need to choose something capable of pulling 3tonne really! I have a freelander capable of towing the trailer and one horse being under the 2tonne limit it can tow but even putting the empty trailer on makes us illegal as the trailer is plated for 2.7tonne therefore over the weight you can safely tow! Its a dodgy market out there now! I think there a very few vehicles 'legal' for the job! INCORRECT - it is not illegal There is no law or rule which states that the towing capacity of a vehicle must be able to accommodate a trailer plated MAM There are plenty of internet MYTHS that say otherwise Here are two legal examples .... B+E licence Towing vehicle - GVW 2100 - Towing capacity 1300 Trailer - MAM 1700 - empty 700 Max load for trailer = 600 B licence Towing vehicle - GVW 2100 - Towing capacity 1300 Trailer - MAM 1700 but down plated to 1400 - empty 700 Max load for trailer = 600 In both cases the trailer MAM is more than the towing capacity
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Post by xxkizzyxx on May 2, 2015 19:02:00 GMT
It is though! I've done a lot of research on it! This is off www.towingtrailers.co.uk Examples of correct combinations: Land Rover Discovery 300TDi: GVW - 2720kg MAM - 6220kg (6720kg if modified) Maximum towing capability: 3500kg Overrun brakes (4000kg if modified) Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4: GVW - 2505kg MAM - 4505kg Maximum towing capability: 2000kg Ifor Williams HB505 Horse box trailer: GVW - 2700kg Ifor Williams BV84 trailer: GVW - 1400kg The Land Rover Discovery 300TDi is legally capable of towing both trailer examples; however the Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 may legally tow the BV84 in this example. The "true" weight of the trailer is irrespective, so even if the HB505 is empty, it may not be towed by the Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 as this would be an offence. Furthermore, it may adversely affect the handle characteristics of the steering, braking and cornering of the towing vehicle and, if a collision occurred, the driver may be liable for prosecution under the law of Construction and Use, as well as possible not being correctly insured by ignoring the maximum towing weight of the vehicle.
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Post by ROG on May 2, 2015 20:08:02 GMT
It is though! I've done a lot of research on it! This is off www.towingtrailers.co.uk Examples of correct combinations: Land Rover Discovery 300TDi: GVW - 2720kg MAM - 6220kg (6720kg if modified) Maximum towing capability: 3500kg Overrun brakes (4000kg if modified) Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4: GVW - 2505kg MAM - 4505kg Maximum towing capability: 2000kg Ifor Williams HB505 Horse box trailer: GVW - 2700kg Ifor Williams BV84 trailer: GVW - 1400kg The Land Rover Discovery 300TDi is legally capable of towing both trailer examples; however the Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 may legally tow the BV84 in this example. The "true" weight of the trailer is irrespective, so even if the HB505 is empty, it may not be towed by the Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 as this would be an offence. Furthermore, it may adversely affect the handle characteristics of the steering, braking and cornering of the towing vehicle and, if a collision occurred, the driver may be liable for prosecution under the law of Construction and Use, as well as possible not being correctly insured by ignoring the maximum towing weight of the vehicle. MASSIVE WRONG There is no law or rules which states that the towing capcity of a vehicle must be able to accommodate a trailer plated MAM The max towing capacity of 2000 can legally tow the trailer with the 2700 MAM as long as the actual weight of the trailer does not exceed 2000 If the 2700 MAM trailer weighed 1000 empty then it can be loaded with 1000 and towed behind the vehicle with the 2000 towing capacity I would really like to know where you got this legally false information please ?
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Post by ROG on May 2, 2015 20:08:24 GMT
double posted
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Post by xxkizzyxx on May 4, 2015 19:06:55 GMT
How do you know this though? I'm not prepared to tow with my car knowing that potentially if it is true that in event of an accident I'm not insured! It would make my life easier if I could tow with my freelander - I just don't know if vosa are the right people to ask but I will be ringing them tomorrow! X
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Post by ROG on May 4, 2015 19:15:49 GMT
How do you know this though? I'm not prepared to tow with my car knowing that potentially if it is true that in event of an accident I'm not insured! It would make my life easier if I could tow with my freelander - I just don't know if vosa are the right people to ask but I will be ringing them tomorrow! X VOSA now DVSA do not deal with this issue - the DVLA do I know this because there is no law stating otherwise A driver cannot get done for breaking a non law !! Please copy and paste where you found such a law ........... you will not because it is not there Which brings me back to where EXACTLY did you get the idea such a law exists ? - or have you just mis-read something ?
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Post by sageandonionagain on May 4, 2015 19:40:12 GMT
ROG when OP has her answers may I borrow you for another trailer question please. Is there a wireless reversing camera for a trailer available on the market? Not one for the back of the car to hitch, but one which can be placed on the back of the trailer to view in the vehicle the reversing space behind. Sorry to interrupt, will of course wait my turn.
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Post by ROG on May 4, 2015 19:43:29 GMT
ROG when OP has her answers may I borrow you for another trailer question please. Is there a wireless reversing camera for a trailer available on the market? Not one for the back of the car to hitch, but one which can be placed on the back of the trailer to view in the vehicle the reversing space behind. Sorry to interrupt, will of course wait my turn. www.trailervision.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65There are many others - google - wireless trailer reversing camera
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Post by xxkizzyxx on May 4, 2015 20:49:36 GMT
If you want to get arsy then so will I! You will not reply either as to how you know! I have only researched on the internet and spoke to police friends about it who have told me about the insurance side of things! That's when I found the above website which I copied that text from onto here. Also it is vosa now dvsa who do the roadside checks and pull you in to make sure you are legal as well as the police do how can you say they have nothing to do with it?
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Post by ROG on May 5, 2015 5:56:48 GMT
I am not getting arsy but trying to give you what the actual law is
If your friends are in police traffic then they should know the traffic laws on this but if they are not in traffic then they will not have the same expertise.
DVSA (ex VOSA) do roadside weight checks and as one of my friendly ex VOSA experts is on speed dial then I know that there is no law broken if the trailer plated MAM is over the towing capacity of the vehicle If the actual weight of the trailer was over the towing capacity then that could be different if deemed unsafe in a court or an insurance company took a dim view of it There is no specific law stating that if a towing capacity is exceeded then its illegal - that is fact there are laws for exceeding the plated weights of the towing vehicle or trailer and for going over the actual weight of both combined (GTW) as going over plated weights are clearly breaches of weight laws which the roadside DVSA do adhere to DVSA do not check and enforce licence issues - the police do that
Please go back to your sources and ask them to prove what they are stating is not possible by providing the laws to which they are referring If something is illegal and not allowed it will be written into law - if its not then its legal - that's how the law works - it tells you what cannot or must be to stay legal
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Post by xxkizzyxx on May 5, 2015 12:43:36 GMT
Thankyou for that. I apologise for myself coming across a little arsy! I am not like that and will help anyone if I can! It will be so much easier if I can tow with my freelander as at the moment it's costing me a fortune and it's such a pain! I have always been told they are not suitable for towing even with just an empty trailer! At least now I might be able to go get a towbar fitted! X
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Post by ROG on May 5, 2015 14:06:32 GMT
Thankyou for that. I apologise for myself coming across a little arsy! I am not like that and will help anyone if I can! It will be so much easier if I can tow with my freelander as at the moment it's costing me a fortune and it's such a pain! I have always been told they are not suitable for towing even with just an empty trailer! At least now I might be able to go get a towbar fitted! X You are welcome I like to be able to state what is legal especially when an ongoing internet myth such as this is still doing the rounds
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Post by xxkizzyxx on May 5, 2015 19:53:46 GMT
I guess it's just a minefield out there! After being told so many different things I hit google which is even more of a minefield! X
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Post by ROG on May 6, 2015 6:42:26 GMT
I guess it's just a minefield out there! After being told so many different things I hit google which is even more of a minefield! X It actually very simple but the way that the info has been posted by the authorities on the internet makes it look so complicated Do not exceed vehicle GVW (max it can legally be when fully loaded) Do not exceed trailer MAM (max it can legally be when fully loaded) Do not exceed vehicle towing capacity (actual weight being towed) Do not exceed GTW (actual weight of both vehicle and trailer together) Do no exceed any axle weights on either vehicle or trailer Do not exceed towing hitch maximum If towing on a B only licence then the one extra rule is that the vehicle GVW added to trailer MAM (the plated weights) must not total more than 3500 kg
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