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Post by Darcy15 on Apr 17, 2015 12:37:06 GMT
Hello
For what reasons would a horse have a set of back to front shoes on?
Thanks.
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Post by fanfarefan on Apr 17, 2015 13:00:27 GMT
do you mean back shoes on the front , or the shoe round the wrong way
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Post by bigmama on Apr 17, 2015 13:24:45 GMT
Farrier needs to go to Specsavers?
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Post by kaya on Apr 17, 2015 13:26:01 GMT
Have seen it on a pony with laminitis as an alternative to a heart bar shoe. Takes the pressure off the toe & supports the heel.
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Post by clifton on Apr 17, 2015 13:37:15 GMT
Laminitus heart-bar shoes, egg-bar shoes, and also regular shoes nailed on backwards to allow breakover in front and support the frog/heels.
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Post by sarahp on Apr 17, 2015 14:20:01 GMT
Won't support the frog though surely to help prevent rotation as a heart-bar would?
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Post by pollycrystal on Apr 17, 2015 17:29:19 GMT
My farrier once made some heart bars for my old pony, but had to remove the fronts as she had had the front of her hoof resected. She came sound and lived happily for many more years, I think due to his skill.
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Post by comanchediva on Apr 18, 2015 8:08:52 GMT
They are not necessarily hind shoes just because they have two clips people assume they should be on the hind hooves because that's where they are most commonly seen.
My old boy had navicular and my farrier shod him in front with shoes with two clips. I never could remember all the technical terms for doing it, but it was basically to support the heels and keep everything where it should be. Kept him sound for years without drugs.
If I was buying a horse that was shod in this way I would be asking lots of questions as there's usually a good reason for the farrier shoeing them like this.
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Post by Philippa on Apr 18, 2015 8:21:05 GMT
There seems to be a trend for horses to have quarter clips on the fronts nowadays, I know of one farrier who shoes most of them in this way, I'm sure they don't all have the same problem!!!! It actually annoys me.
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Post by maddiesmum on Apr 18, 2015 8:38:41 GMT
I much prefer quarter clips in front or if not prone to pulling shoes off, no clips at all! As the heels are better supported and shoes can be set back slightly. All of my jumping horses were shod like this and stayed extremely sound, where as several had previously had problems when shod traditionally. It just makes more sense to my brain than a single clip on the front, as surely that doesn't spread the load as well? Also see lots of too long toes with toe clips!
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Post by clifton on Apr 18, 2015 15:59:39 GMT
quite a lot of my horses have had quarter clip shoes on the front, if you have one that ports a lot on concrete, the front clip wears away or can break and the shoe can then slide backwards out of position, this does not happen with quarter clips.
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Post by Philippa on Apr 18, 2015 17:39:28 GMT
Lol I guess I've just been lucky to have a good farrier for the last 15 years!!
Don't get me wrong if they need them then I agree but like I said it seems to be a trend round here.
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 19, 2015 18:55:38 GMT
My horse had quarter clips on his front shoes to help prevent him pulling them off as his shoes are set slighty further back so that is slightly longer at the back to support the heal as hes slightly flat footed has been shod like this for 12years it was one of 2012 Olympic farriers who first shod him this way and has been sound as he failed vetting on bad feet
Horse with open toed shoes I always thought it was to do with laminitis
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Post by Darcy15 on Apr 19, 2015 19:55:14 GMT
No not shoes with clips (back shoes?) on the front.
An actual shoe the wrong way round, so the toe being open.
Would you see this on a show horse?
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 19, 2015 21:11:54 GMT
No you shouldn't because the frog would then be covered which isn't allowed
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Post by sarahp on Apr 19, 2015 21:35:36 GMT
Surely the frog wouldn't be covered by a "wrong way round" shoe although it would be by a heart bar?
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Post by Darcy15 on Apr 20, 2015 7:08:35 GMT
It is not covering the frog at all from what I have seen. It looks like heel support? Brittle hoof.
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 20, 2015 7:52:06 GMT
I just assumed they would ive never actually picked a hoof up with one on
Its still classed as a surgical shoe so I dont see it would be allowed
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Post by fanfarefan on Apr 20, 2015 10:41:37 GMT
im not certain that it would be allowed , i assume its to take the pressure off the front of the foot, and heel support , i can see how this might work for an animal thats had laminitis ,,, however is it classed as surgical shoeing , im not sure ,
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Post by fernwhitecharity on Apr 20, 2015 16:59:51 GMT
Not allowed under BSPS or SHBGB as classed as surgical
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Post by Guestless on Apr 20, 2015 18:15:21 GMT
The show societies are going to need to modernise their game! I had a chat with my farrier about this the other week. Two clips on the front shoes does NOT mean the horse has issues or that the farrier is being lazy and using back shoes (which are a different shape anyway). Like everything else equine, things evolve and the modern way of teaching includes more frequent use of two clips (my farrier is also an examiner). My youngster has had two side clips on his front feet for his first few times being shod - my farrier said this helps with breakover and means the shoe can fit the foot better than using a single toe clip. Now that he's been shod a few times, his feet are a shape my farrier is happier with and he had a single toe clip on the last time. I 100% trust my farrier to do the absolute best for my ponies and I refuse to let a red rosette dictate what will perhaps make my pony stay happy and sound for longer.
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Post by fernwhitecharity on Apr 20, 2015 18:44:46 GMT
I thought we were talking about actual Back to front shoes, NOT side-clips?
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Post by Guestless on Apr 20, 2015 18:55:41 GMT
I thought we were talking about actual Back to front shoes, NOT side-clips? Lol, I think we were originally but, then like many threads on here, it has grown arms and legs I totally agree that heart bar shoes or "back to front" shoes are not okay in the show ring.
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Post by fernwhitecharity on Apr 22, 2015 21:01:22 GMT
I thought we were talking about actual Back to front shoes, NOT side-clips? Lol, I think we were originally but, then like many threads on here, it has grown arms and legs I totally agree that heart bar shoes or "back to front" shoes are not okay in the show ring. I'm with you!! Carry on!
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Post by mcnaughty on Apr 24, 2015 14:59:09 GMT
My farrier always shoes with quarter clips, in fact I asked him why and he said that it was 'normal practice' these days. I only have a welsh a now so no shoes to worry about ;-)
As for back to front shoe - not sure this is correct in the literal sense. I have seen toe open and a flattened area of steel at the heel for support but an actual back to front shoe - this would surely be an unbalanced foot?
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Post by Just asked farrier on May 3, 2015 14:04:46 GMT
It stops them from hitting their coronary band. A bit like forging but the action is higher up. Some trotters/pacers and driving horses are shod like this. They are made this way as hardly any hoof wall to shoe to so the holes are punched in different places so although it looks like a shoe on backwards it is actually made this way. We all learn something every day!
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Post by lips36 on May 14, 2015 18:18:17 GMT
If you mean 2 clips I have these on my mare as she has a very slight twist but with2 clips this is hardly noticeable.
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