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Post by hoys2016 on Nov 17, 2015 14:06:21 GMT
When is the list of judges and qualifiers for hoys released?
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Post by ponymum on Nov 17, 2015 15:06:26 GMT
No Idea , but ive heard that Alan roberston and David Puttock are doing the shp section.
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Post by GaynorStones on Nov 17, 2015 16:15:51 GMT
Think it was just before Xmas last year when the qualifiers were announced
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Post by ponymum on Nov 23, 2015 10:53:35 GMT
Ive also heard a rumour that Hoys will be having a junior M+M ridden! Anyone else heard this?
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Post by welshiegirl on Nov 23, 2015 11:16:39 GMT
No I haven't ponymum, where did you hear this? exciting if true!!
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Post by Rockstar on Nov 23, 2015 11:20:53 GMT
Judges list is now on the HOYS website with a junior M&M class included.
No judges for the Cuddy or Supremes - they will be announced at the show.
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Post by jakkibag on Nov 23, 2015 11:27:21 GMT
Very exciting to see a new class, hopefully will have more info soon!
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Post by welshiegirl on Nov 23, 2015 11:53:29 GMT
Oh wow!! How exciting. Can't wait to hear more,
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Post by ponymum on Nov 23, 2015 14:47:25 GMT
I hope the junior ridden is split into small and large !!!
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Post by kayjayem on Nov 23, 2015 16:28:19 GMT
Does anyone know the age of the junior riders please?
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Post by chloesmum on Nov 23, 2015 17:27:54 GMT
Sorry ponymum but from what I have heard (only rumours so no definate knowledge) but I won't be excited. Think it is one class for geldings/mares only and you cannot compete in junior and open so really a restricted class which I guess is fair. However the downside as always is to fit this in other classes will be cut - have heard the small breeds and Sec B will be reduced to 12 qualifiers. Which is really bad news if you have a small breed or a B - like us! Will wait and see!
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Nov 23, 2015 17:51:54 GMT
Sorry ponymum but from what I have heard (only rumours so no definate knowledge) but I won't be excited. Think it is one class for geldings/mares only and you cannot compete in junior and open so really a restricted class which I guess is fair. However the downside as always is to fit this in other classes will be cut - have heard the small breeds and Sec B will be reduced to 12 qualifiers. Which is really bad news if you have a small breed or a B - like us! Will wait and see! It doesn't really affect me as I'm a plaited pony person but I really hope those are the restrictions give the kids a genuine chance to get their who are not quite good enough in the open or even a stepping stone for fr riders
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Post by ilovenatives on Nov 23, 2015 19:20:22 GMT
Hope they don't cut the small breeds to 12 qualifiers , hardly fair as its a class for three breeds ( doesn't effect us as we don't do the qualifiers unless it is our local county show ) . Interested to know the age limit for junior's class though , my daughter is out of junior small breeds next year unless she does the intermediate class . Wonder if the rule will be that you can't compete in both the open and junior's or that you can't qualify for both ?
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Post by Guestless on Nov 23, 2015 22:26:15 GMT
Sorry ponymum but from what I have heard (only rumours so no definate knowledge) but I won't be excited. Think it is one class for geldings/mares only and you cannot compete in junior and open so really a restricted class which I guess is fair. However the downside as always is to fit this in other classes will be cut - have heard the small breeds and Sec B will be reduced to 12 qualifiers. Which is really bad news if you have a small breed or a B - like us! Will wait and see! I hope they don't do that - they rush through the classes so quickly at HOYS anyway that I can't see how they would save much time by making the classes slightly smaller but it will be interesting to see how the timetable is going to work. I wish they would find a way to put all the flat M&Ms back on the same day - it really bugs me that we need to stay an extra night now in order to see the championship.
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Post by chloesmum on Nov 24, 2015 8:57:23 GMT
I believe there will be a press release to explain the new class hope so as it will affect shows planning in terms of what qualifiers they get or lose. I think it may just be for small breeds (D/E/S/ Welsh A & B) so these open qualifiers will be reduced. Personally think that is really sad particularly for the small breeds. If there are only 12 qualifiers for the open sections of these it is going to make it incredibly tough to qualify and also MORE travelling if you want to have a go at it. Hope they release which shows have been awarded qualifiers soon. Just out of interest did the Ridden ponies (SP/SHP) numbers get reduced with the introduction of the Part Bred class? It would be interesting to see a breakdown of entries in qualifying classes I am sure the M&Ms must be the largest entries, we rarely compete in classes less than 15 (usually over 20) where as many plaited qualifiers are single numbers. I do hope they don't reduce them to just 12 - that is reducing them by nearly 50%. Maybe taking 4 less in each section would be more realistic and giving the Junior class 12? Although as Guestless points out I am not sure reducing numbers saves that much time.
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Post by sarahp on Nov 24, 2015 9:33:45 GMT
Sorry chloesmum, I can see the logic in general as one would expect the small breeds to be ridden principally by juniors. I can see the adults riding large breeds having a beef if their qualifier numbers were to be reduced in favour of juniors on small breeds. You can't please all of the people all of the time! Buy another large breed next time? It's not as if they are all enormous.
I suppose I come from an era where children ride small ponies, getting bigger ones as they grow bigger themselves.
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Post by chloesmum on Nov 24, 2015 9:57:34 GMT
Sarah I can see the logic to a point however not all children are smaller than adults! With First Ridden age at 12 it will be interesting to see what age limit they put on this new class. I am certainly not suggesting cutting the large breed qualifiers it's so tough to qualify already - just saying that to reduce by 50% is a big cull and perhaps not representative. By the way we do have a large breed and very happy to have her and Jacob's progeny coming through!so nothing against large breeds! I also hope that there will be a distinction between what is an Open Ridden and a Junior Ridden, it could well be an excellent stepping stone class for juniors we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by sarahp on Nov 24, 2015 10:18:08 GMT
I agree, that's the nub of it. And lots of 12yos I knew in our PC days were far more capable than many adults, I've always found it a surprisingly high age limit for FR. But if they're talking about small breeds only that should limit it. Must go!
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Post by ponymum on Nov 24, 2015 10:49:49 GMT
What about the tall juniors? such a shame for them , they are penalised for being tall and needing a large breed! Surely it would be fair to open the class up to small and large otherwise the class will just be an extension of the fr ...
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Post by welshiegirl on Nov 24, 2015 12:48:55 GMT
I really hope it would be for both large and small, there are so many in the large breed classes its insane, its going to be interesting to see the rules when they are released fully, I don't see how its fair to reduce the open small breeds classes (I have a C so doesnt affect me) qualifying is so tough, especially living in the north where you have to travel to most anyway. What would stop someone that owns say a welsh b (an adult) doing the open, then getting a jockey just for juniors? So many questions lol! I turned 18 a few weeks ago, so I doubt even if there was large breed juniors I'd be able to do it anyway. On a slightly different topic, with Welsh c's height limit being 13.2hh they're classed as a pony but a large breed- but I noticed at a few shows this year that the C qualifiers were held alongside small breed classes rather than the large breeds? And im sure at one show (can't remember which) they were included in the small breed championship? I know at the yorkshire show for the past few years I can Remember that the C's have been in the split main ring with the As&Bs, darties, exmoors and shetties rather than the white rose ring with the large breeds, could just be to do with entries, though.
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Post by sarahp on Nov 24, 2015 13:11:36 GMT
Well there is no lower height limit for Cs, and even if under height for the FR classes they aren't allowed to contest them, so they're a bit of an anomaly really in terms of classes. Their breed description is exactly the same as the Ds, only smaller, I suppose that's why they count as a large breed.
I suppose there's not really much point debating class conditions for the HOYS juniors until we know the details really is there?
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Post by silvester on Nov 24, 2015 13:46:19 GMT
On a different note.... They are so pushed for time and space that why doesn't the Caldene arena continue to run and have showing classes going on at a later time? Obviously I know it is used for excercise but even an extra hour a day would help!
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Nov 24, 2015 14:22:39 GMT
Just out of interest did the Ridden ponies (SP/SHP) numbers get reduced with the introduction of the Part Bred class? . The pure bred arab classes went from being a mare class, a gelding class and a stallion class just to one class
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Post by clobo121082 on Nov 24, 2015 15:36:02 GMT
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Post by ponymum on Nov 24, 2015 15:49:13 GMT
So unfair - on the tall juniors and the small 14-16 yrs olds!!!!
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Post by sarahp on Nov 24, 2015 17:10:20 GMT
I can go with the idea of a progression of classes from LR to adult, but I can see the exact conditions being a source of much discussion.
My daughter was 5' 8" when she was 14yo!
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Post by chloesmum on Nov 24, 2015 17:55:09 GMT
Well with no mention of how it affects the Open Classes guess we will have to wait and see how many qualifiers are lost, there was a bit about ' being mindful of how hard people work to qualify' so hopefully they will not decimate the open qualifiers. A lot of studs see these classes as a showcase for their stallions and progeny for ridden careers not all want to breed small breed First Ridden ponies, especially with the B's and whilst understanding the desire to encourage young riders our wonderful native breeds are also suitable for SMALL adults. Fingers crossed common sense prevails! Something for everyone.
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Post by lalalaa on Nov 25, 2015 14:59:58 GMT
Nps area 25 has lost its small open qualifiers due to this class
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Post by clobo121082NLI on Nov 25, 2015 15:41:31 GMT
I called to clarify - the A and B classes are losing 5 qualifiers each and small breeds 4 I think?
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Post by foxylady on Nov 27, 2015 9:30:47 GMT
I am not a fan of first ridden ponies competing in open classes a true FR is rarely an open pony and have always thought the qualification should be for one or the other . What I would say is having watched the small breeds this year for the first time in ages that there were some very good younger jockeys who could give some of their older fellow competitors some tips !!! I think it is a shame that open classes are dropping qualifiers especially the small breeds . I am old school and was brought up believing that adults ride horses and kids ride ponies no choice when you got older you got a horse perhaps its a pony club thing.
I am waiting for dressage classes HOYS have never been slow to miss a money making opportunity.
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