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Post by Guest9876 on Nov 25, 2015 23:06:08 GMT
Does anyone use these for extra energy? If so how do you feed as it says to feed about 2hrs before energy is required. That's not always possible as travelling to show
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Post by boxer1 on Nov 26, 2015 8:18:31 GMT
We used them exactly as top spec advised with our section D . It didn't make the slightest bit of difference - he was still a lazy lump !!!
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Post by Team Fenton on Nov 29, 2015 18:58:44 GMT
Made no difference to my pony either.
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Post by Master tatty head on Nov 30, 2015 19:49:31 GMT
I use turbo on my show cob and it made a big difference. When I took him off it coming into winter, he turned into a lazy slob
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Post by Guest9876 on Nov 30, 2015 21:37:00 GMT
I use turbo on my show cob and it made a big difference. When I took him off it coming into winter, he turned into a lazy slob How did you feed it? Did you just feed it couple of hours before competing? Thanks
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Post by Master tatty head on Dec 2, 2015 22:28:31 GMT
During the summer months I fed turbo approx 4 days prior to competing. If I had a show the following week, I would keep him on it. I didn't feed the recommended amount as it was too much for him. I was also advised by the top spec people to add salt to his feed. He was put on top spec lite balancer and turbo, I can now see savings on my feed bill
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Post by Dawnie not signed in on Dec 7, 2015 23:45:25 GMT
On my lazy cob it did nothing...if anything made him very awkward and lazy but his issues if am honest is more attitude as oppose to lacking energy. ..catch him in the right mood and he is a powerhouse but if he isnt he makes you look like your riding a donkey on the beach. It did do the job on my little A, who although fit as fiddle and at home bursts with energy even after a 4 hour hack used to run out of steam in the ring. If his class was in the morning we would feed the morning and evening before (he usually only has an evening feed) if his class was the afternoon he would have it the evening before and we would arrive at the show in good time for him to have a feed when he arrived.
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Post by blinking heck! on Dec 15, 2015 14:37:50 GMT
Am I really reading this post? fill your horse up with sugar/cereal/oil to make it livley? Does your animals mentality and health not come into your desire to show? maybe your horse is just not cut out for what you want, try buying another who will suit your role. Theres an old saying horses for courses,
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Post by sarahp on Dec 15, 2015 14:52:43 GMT
Well the oil is OK........
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Post by Dawnie not signed in on Dec 16, 2015 14:04:15 GMT
Am I really reading this post? fill your horse up with sugar/cereal/oil to make it livley? Does your animals mentality and health not come into your desire to show? maybe your horse is just not cut out for what you want, try buying another who will suit your role. Theres an old saying horses for courses, Yes you are .. and of course my horses heath matters and your suggest and insunuation is insulting. The pony I spoke of loves his shows, just got over excited and waiting for his turn and lost his energy, nor can we all just go buy another one. Everybody considers diet to inprove performance and this is no different.
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Post by sarahp on Dec 16, 2015 15:40:22 GMT
It is true though that starch and sugar, both found in cereal grains in quantity, are not good for any horse's welfare. Many of us on here would not dream of feeding them, particularly to natives.
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Post by blinking heck on Dec 17, 2015 10:02:54 GMT
I agree diet does effect performance but giving your animal a sugar rush before any competition is negative. May I suggest you consider researching horse health as Sarahp has clearly stated and not listen to marketing hype. I take no responsibility for you feelings of being insulted that is your feeling and yours alone. May be consider getting your horse fitter so he can have a little excitement but sustain his performance?
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Post by welshiegirl on Dec 17, 2015 10:13:12 GMT
I find turbo flakes didn't work, we tried a variety of different feeds, we use spillers instant energy during the show season, my mare is in perfect health, nutrition and is definitely fit and ready and in the correct quantity of work, by no means does it give her a 'sugar rush', she is not fed it in great quantity, my mare enjoys her job as long as you don't over do the showing like any horse, by no means would I just go buy another one when there is no need.
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Post by blinking heck on Dec 17, 2015 10:31:59 GMT
Welshiegirl glad to hear you have a balanced ratio of work for your girl that's maybe what keeps her fresh to show. I do believe feed our animals on to much starch and grain and this is a welfare issue. Look at the rates of lami,ems especially in the showing world. Impulsion comes from schooling and balanced work not feeding.
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Post by sarahp on Dec 17, 2015 10:48:59 GMT
And the horse's natural temperament, some are bouncy, others laid back.
I'm with blinking heck as far as feeding goes - far too many far too fat animals nowadays which is a welfare issue for them - lots of publicity all over the place about it, showing judges encouraged to put fat ones down the line etc. For anything liable to get laminitis and/or EMS it is recommended that your hard feeds (that's if you need to feed any at all, often with natives and WBs it's more a question of keeping the weight OFF them) should contain no more than 10% starch and sugar, that's added together, not each. The Spillers Instant Energy contains 28% starch, according to their own analysis on their website. TS does not disclose its analysis on their website, but it will be on the white label sewn into the seam of the feedbags - I think but not positive the starch % is given on there, I'd have to look to be sure.
Keep it slimmer rather than fat, and get it really fit by lots of work. Just another thought - I see so many in the show ring now where the rider's foot is constantly working, which makes them dead to leg aids. Work on schooling to make it very light to the leg will help too - a horse should carry on at the same pace without altering it unless asked, not have to be constantly niggled at.
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Post by blinking heck on Dec 17, 2015 11:40:14 GMT
Hence the saying horses for courses! If your horse cant do the job you want it to consider selling, dont pump it full of feed that does not agree with its natural body system to liven it up unbalance it naturally and casue a reaction in the brain to stimulate in an artifical manner. If you can accept your horse not having the ability to under take your prefered line of leisure then just get the best you can from them. Its not really rocket science, you never see a shetland running in the Derby and theres a reason for that!
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Post by sageandonionagain on Dec 17, 2015 21:47:42 GMT
Actually I sort of agree with blinking heck to a point. We buy a horse and try to enable him to do the sport/activity we want to do ourselves and we provide everything. Sometimes it is acceptable to provide a "sugar rush" or equine equivalent but this does have to be done with caution. Turbo flakes are the equivalent to us having a banana sandwich before a gym class when we need carbs and sugars available immediately. Some horses can tolerate their banana sandwich well whilst natives and the like may be on a slippery slope EMS wise.
Generally if you have a lazy lard, Turbo flakes do nothing. Dobson and Horrell do a Competition Concentrate which I found better but not a cure for Lards. I speak from experience and I have to say that unfortunately the very best solution was to buy a horse more suited to the job and rehome the Lard to do what he preferred which, in his case, wasn't a lot.
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Post by jakkibag on Dec 17, 2015 23:49:24 GMT
I agree with both, I don't think that feeding starch and cereal mixes to natives is good, and have steered clear of going down this route, however I also feel the op's pain whilst trying to get a little extra sparkle and oomph from a generally laid back black native who sometimes struggles in the heat of summer shows, my pony is fit and fed appropriately! What worked for us is a handful of dates half an hour before we go in the ring, we don't need to do it all the time or for every show but when competing in the huge Hoys classes that go on forever it gives him enough for a little bit of extra energy! With regards to getting a different horse again I agree to an extent, with Us Though our horses are primarily pets and if showing ended tomorrow all of ours are safe enough for the whole family to ride and steady enough to go and do a variety of disciplines, so a few handfuls of dates or equivalent is a small price to pay!
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Post by pennysworth on Dec 21, 2015 12:59:13 GMT
I agree with Sara and blinking heck. We see to much ill health in our ponies and horses there's may well be a welfare issue in what we are doing. Not to long ago it was bran and pony nuts,a jute rug now look what we feed then and rug them with. I agree if your pony does not have the temperament or mentality needed then do something else. Sageand onion I sort of agree with you also a little bit of carb to keep energy rates up could be positive but that is never going to give ponies "vava voom" that's personality not feed ( not directed at you Jakkibag but original post)
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