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Post by waspblue on Jul 6, 2017 21:21:46 GMT
Probably have to make sure they're treated with anti rust coating and industrial strength sunscreen Janet lol!!!
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Post by calerux on Jul 7, 2017 21:14:28 GMT
To clarify there was one judge who had marked all sections The solution Gill is for people on duty in the ring to take their time and check check check..use a calculator if necessary... Sorry but the solition is simple..... As a steward you repeat the mark back before scribing If still not sure show the judge what you have written to double check When adding up check it again Get someone else to check When/if using 100 sheets count how many marked in class against how many on 100 sheet, so you don't miss one off. Check you have nothing higher than the score you think is 1st/2nd etc and read them back to someone to ensure not transposed etc Ask the judge to check the marks Ask the judge if they are happy with line up, is anything out of place Ask them to check back line, should something be in front line If all happy go ahead a present, also checking cards, eligability etc Judge signs sheet as correct NOT ROCKET SCIENCE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE RING!!!!! If you don't believe that's what the process is then get off your soap box and do it yourself! As for longer classes, you're the only one who wouldn't mind. When classes start at 8am and sometimes are still continuing past 6pm when would you expect the championship to take place? By moonlight perhaps? The fact is a mistake was made, not in the adding up it seems and the checking system didn't work on this occasion but the correct pony qualified. Circumstances like this DO NOT happen at every qualifier at every show every day of the week in every part of the country! They are few and far between despite what you may like to think and nothing is done deliberately or with a couldn't care less attitude. The process if you have a genuine complaint or grievance is to put your money down and raise the complaint formally not resort to the anonymity of social media. Really if you are so disheartened with the showing world then might I suggest you take up another discipline? I'm sure you'll still find something to complain about but at least you won't be judge and steward bashing on here, it's become quite tiresome now.
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Post by calerux on Jul 7, 2017 21:40:50 GMT
Finally...I've got an answer, robotic stewards and judges that cannot make mistakes, be rude or bribed to fix the class results LOL!!! We could just hire them already programmed, not have to feed them or look after them in any way. Just wheel them out to do their job and once day is over, simply return to hire company for re setting etc. They'd never get tired or cranky, the heat, cold, wet etc wouldn't affect them and best of all they wouldn't make 'human errors' quite simply as they're not human haha!!! SORTED!! Off to research setting up my own company hiring out i-robots lol!! Ha ha! The answer is there staring us all in the face! I shall look forward to seeing you on Dragon's Den! Incidentally, to support Janet's response about technology, I addressed this way back in the earlier pages of this thread (has it really been dragging on for so long?) as I had been consulted when some research was carried out to see if IT can help. For the reasons explained by Janet, IT was not the answer. But it appears robots just may be.....
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Post by Excompetitor on Jul 7, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
I used to compete and now I steward a few times a year. Carelux, you are spot on and Janet has made great points. Many stewards like myself have competed in HOYS qualifiers, so we are very aware how important it is to get the results right. The process described above is pretty much what we do at every show, whoever we work with, and it is very rare a mistake is made, and any steward would be horrified if they made an error, but we are not infallible. The judges always check the results as well. If there were more stewards then those of us that do volunteer could do shorter sessions and our brains may not be completely frazzled. 8 to 12 hours, racing around in all weather, aching back, sore feet, awareness that you still have many huge classes still to come so you need to hurry, all make it bl**dy hard work! On a week day you have probably had to take a day off your annual holiday entitlement, which is precious, just to run around in a field in a wedding outfit! So keyboard moaners, please feel free to volunteer your services, shows need more stewards, and the pool of stewards currently volunteering won't be around indefinitely.
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Post by Yes But on Jul 8, 2017 11:58:26 GMT
Been there as Judge and Steward and Chief Steward at Championship shows and HOYS/RI. So I have those particular "T-shirts" thanks. No "soapbox" required here.
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Post by gillwales on Jul 9, 2017 20:45:08 GMT
Yes But, I find it very difficult to believe that any Judge or Chief Steward would hide behind an anonymous name and try to cause so much trouble on social media as you are. I know a lot of people who are standing down from Judging or Stewarding because of this sort of cowardly behaviour. So Yes But, when there are no longer any shows you will be able to congratulate yourself on your part of it.
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Post by WHY? on Jul 9, 2017 21:30:00 GMT
Yes But, I find it very difficult to believe that any Judge or Chief Steward would hide behind an anonymous name and try to cause so much trouble on social media as you are. I know a lot of people who are standing down from Judging or Stewarding because of this sort of cowardly behaviour. So Yes But, when there are no longer any shows you will be able to congratulate yourself on your part of it. gillwales I find it difficult to understand your naivety regarding anonymity! Obivously there will be repercussions for anyone who questions"authority". Why is it so important to you to know who a poster is? I doubt anyone knows who you are, maybe you should post under your given name to identify yourself as you are so very principled.
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Post by gillwales on Jul 10, 2017 3:32:07 GMT
Any member can message me directly. I still find it difficult to understand why anyone who does what you say you do is as unprincipled as you in causing so much nastiness over something you say you are involved with on Social Media.
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Post by chloesmum on Jul 10, 2017 8:08:55 GMT
I also cannot understand why this thread has gone on and on - YES BUT I understand you are annoyed and frustrated re your cousin not being placed in her rightful 4th place at SOE, you are also as you say a very experienced judge and steward so would have thought you might have a little bit of empathy for those who made the mistake which as we all agree would not be deliberate. You say you have made an official complaint to the society involved, I wonder what the outcome will be. Judges may be reprimanded I guess for not checking the marks correctly, what about the stewards perhaps they will not be asked to steward again, and where will that leave us for running shows? I have just received the annual request from BSPS to continue on the stewards panel and this thread is really making me feel do I want to put myself up for this sort of criticism should I make a mistake, which I can assure you would not be deliberate but I know I am human. Yes I always follow the stewards rules as you outlined and in the past these have always picked up any error but there is always a but - maybe one day a mistake may slip through. We should all take our responsibilities seriously, of course we owe that to competitors but perhaps a little bit of respect and empathy for the officials as well who do give so much back as volunteers so we can all enjoy our sport.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 10, 2017 9:27:19 GMT
Very well said, Chloesmum.
As someone who is seriously bogged down with Admin in preparation for a big show - and who is stressed to heck in the attempt to get everything right - it must be stated that NO-ONE deliberately makes mistakes.
And as has been said routinely on this marathon thread, if people did not volunteer their services - their time - their energy and their expertise, (besides calling in non-existent favours from goodly souls on an annual basis) - there would not be shows for people to exhibit at. It matters not whether a show is a 4-day Agricultural or a one-day 'funday' show, the effort and energy goes in.
A little story. I once made a mistake in the transposition of back numbers to the '100 sheet'. As the animals were being called forward, I could see the problem immediately, said "whoa, Stop, can we just check these sheets". . . Realised the error and corrected the anomaly immediately. One animal back into the line-up, the correct animal called forward. (This was a 'place', by the way, not a winner or 'ticket' situation) - not that it should matter, ideally no mistakes should be made.
I stated, in the ring - to the competitors in the line and for all relevant parties to hear - "I'm very sorry, I hold my hand up - it was my fault", to which one of the Judges boomed at me so loudly that the 'ringside' could clearly hear - "YES, is IS YOUR FAULT" . . . ,
The competitors were very gracious. I, however, was mortified.
Pease give volunteers a break.
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Post by Yes But on Jul 10, 2017 9:28:55 GMT
To answer your question.The complaint was against the judge and was upheld.
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Post by ponymad79 on Jul 10, 2017 11:56:11 GMT
Oh for goodness sake get a life as the wife of someone who runs a large show in Ireland and he stewards in England i'm sick of slating judges and stewards on here .Complain in the correct manner and if it is a genuine case of human error be a little forgiving .Its a horse show not life or death sorry for the rant but as others have said you will have no shows judges or stewards .
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Post by gillwales on Jul 10, 2017 21:12:06 GMT
To answer your question.The complaint was against the judge and was upheld. So what are you griping about?
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