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Post by Query on May 30, 2019 16:31:06 GMT
Just a quick query re Pretty Polly eligibility. Are you still eligible if you ride someone else’s pony at another show? They are not professionals but would not be classed as PP themselves as sometimes ride a produced pony. I was under the impression that as per Rule 280 “Riders and leaders can only ride or lead ponies in the ring owned by their immediate family at any show” this would make you ineligible but have seen some qualified even though they have had producers ride their other ponies or have ridden for other people.
Would really like others viewpoints on this. TIA.
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Post by mcnaughty on May 30, 2019 17:02:28 GMT
It does say ANY show. If you are not sure about a specific part of the rules, I'd call the BSPS office and ask. Its not a class I have ever tried competing in myself so am not sure.
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Post by gillwales on May 30, 2019 20:26:01 GMT
It always makes sense to email and ask a question, then when you get a reply you can print it off and keep it, maybe take it to shows with you just in case there needs to be some clarification,
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Post by Philippa on Jun 3, 2019 10:12:45 GMT
No. As PP you cannot ride anyone else’s pony or let anyone else ride your pony. Im sure the people who are breaking g this rule will be at RI still.
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Post by Philippa on Jun 3, 2019 10:14:32 GMT
We’ve qualified FR this time but we aren’t going. Having heard ‘on the grapevine’ I’m glad. Too expensive to compete against people who rule break.
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Post by janetbushell on Jun 4, 2019 7:10:20 GMT
These classes must be self policing - if you have genuine knowledge of rule breaking then it needs to be reported to BSPS so that it can be investigated
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Post by Query on Jun 4, 2019 9:21:01 GMT
I completely agree the classes should be self-policing, but most people who compete in Pretty Polly do not trail the country for the rest of the qualifiers once they have their ticket, so do not always know what is going on. I have only become aware of these incidents via social media days/weeks after the shows, and as per BSPS rules complaints have to be made within 14 days of the events and by two people. These Pretty Polly Heritage classes are often one of the biggest classes, so it seems unfair to take tickets away from those who deserve them. There is one rider who has qualified another pony (not belonging to her) in the P(UK) Intermediate class, and then qualified her own in the Pretty Polly... is this against the rules? Having not been at either show myself I would not be in a position to make a complaint. There are also a couple of other ponies who have been qualified by their owners in the PP class but have had other junior/intermediate jockeys. The whole point is surely that they are "family produced classes". There really needs to be a declaration on entry forms for people to sign to say they are entering the classes in the true spirit of the rules. It is not on.
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Post by janetbushell on Jun 4, 2019 10:25:17 GMT
I completely agree the classes should be self-policing, but most people who compete in Pretty Polly do not trail the country for the rest of the qualifiers once they have their ticket, so do not always know what is going on. I have only become aware of these incidents via social media days/weeks after the shows, and as per BSPS rules complaints have to be made within 14 days of the events and by two people. These Pretty Polly Heritage classes are often one of the biggest classes, so it seems unfair to take tickets away from those who deserve them. There is one rider who has qualified another pony (not belonging to her) in the P(UK) Intermediate class, and then qualified her own in the Pretty Polly... is this against the rules? Having not been at either show myself I would not be in a position to make a complaint. There are also a couple of other ponies who have been qualified by their owners in the PP class but have had other junior/intermediate jockeys. The whole point is surely that they are "family produced classes". There really needs to be a declaration on entry forms for people to sign to say they are entering the classes in the true spirit of the rules. It is not on. Do contact BSPS The rule regarding complaints would be superseded by disqualification if the combination was not eligible so you do need to speak to BSPS regarding the matter Nothing can be done if no one speaks out, but anonymous posts on social media won't lead anywhere I'm afraid & just lead to speculation which can be unfair on everyone
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Post by gillwales on Jun 5, 2019 5:41:35 GMT
I completely agree the classes should be self-policing, but most people who compete in Pretty Polly do not trail the country for the rest of the qualifiers once they have their ticket, so do not always know what is going on. I have only become aware of these incidents via social media days/weeks after the shows, and as per BSPS rules complaints have to be made within 14 days of the events and by two people. These Pretty Polly Heritage classes are often one of the biggest classes, so it seems unfair to take tickets away from those who deserve them. There is one rider who has qualified another pony (not belonging to her) in the P(UK) Intermediate class, and then qualified her own in the Pretty Polly... is this against the rules? Having not been at either show myself I would not be in a position to make a complaint. There are also a couple of other ponies who have been qualified by their owners in the PP class but have had other junior/intermediate jockeys. The whole point is surely that they are "family produced classes". There really needs to be a declaration on entry forms for people to sign to say they are entering the classes in the true spirit of the rules. It is not on. If you look at nearly every entry form there is always a bit about signing to say you agree to follow the rules, it may be worded differently but it is always there, along with "The Judge's decision is final" You also sign this when becoming a member or registering a pony with the BSPS
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Post by jakes87 on Jun 5, 2019 11:18:48 GMT
Having complained to BSPS about rules being broken sending them screen grabs showing theys broke the rules. BSPS didnt give too hoots
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Post by Disappointed again on Jun 5, 2019 16:32:34 GMT
Why do they need two separate complaints in writing when the evidence can be seen quite clearly when provided? and checked at the click of a button.
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Post by gillwales on Jun 5, 2019 21:16:44 GMT
To the above 2 posts. There is a complaints procedure, you need to follow it if you want your complaints acted on. The reason that 2 complaints are required is to stop people being "trolled" or targeted. It is also possible that civil action could be taken against the BSPS if it acted on one complaint; however if it receives 2 independent complaints then it is protected. I am certain that members do not wish to see society funds diminished via the courts. If you are not prepared to commit your complaints in writing then they cannot be that serious. I have now reinstated my tin hat! ( It is the memorial of the D Day landings )
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Post by jakes87 on Jun 7, 2019 5:26:46 GMT
When the person has made a public post on FB stating they rode for a producer I dont think the requirement of two complaints should go out the window. Common sense should prevail.
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Post by Best the cheats on Jun 7, 2019 6:36:42 GMT
When the person has made a public post on FB stating they rode for a producer I dont think the requirement of two complaints should go out the window. Common sense should prevail. If you have a legitimate reason to believe that someone has broken the rules and you can back it up with proof then email the BSPS and put forward your concerns. They will act and remove qualification if appropriate. The BSPS can not police this class, it is up to the honest, rule abiding competitors to keep their eyes open.
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Post by mcnaughty on Jun 19, 2019 10:42:42 GMT
I didn't realise the BSPS would only act on two complaints. Surely if one complaint is backed up with firm evidence ie as in this instance the rider actually qualifying someone else's pony in an RI class and also qualifying their own pony for RI in the PP class this 'two complaints' rule should be waived.
It is possible I suppose that the PP qualified pony will not turn up in the ring at RI so that would solve that issue but still does not take away from the fact that the qualification should have been passed down the line and someone else lost out.
Actually, I will add that photographers are available at all these shows too! Easy to prove.
I have to add that I didn't know about the 'riding someone else's pony at a show' rule was a thing. But I dont compete in PP classes so haven't read the rules properly!
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Post by bundle20 on Jul 11, 2019 13:19:21 GMT
We’ve qualified FR this time but we aren’t going. Having heard ‘on the grapevine’ I’m glad. Too expensive to compete against people who rule break. I am not sure if you are talking about RI or the BSPS champs. Either way don't listen to the "grapevine" - both are tremendous fun.
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Post by Philippa on Jul 13, 2019 9:24:42 GMT
Yes bundle. We compete at both and enjoy both but we are doing neither this year. We are on a FYFR and are going to spend our money getting them together so they are a force to be reckoned with next year. The champs usually costs us around £650 after hook up etc. That’s a lot of smaller shows to practice at.
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