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Post by welshmaid on Sept 20, 2009 20:51:53 GMT
Need some advice on what is best to feed a pony that has had lammi in the past as need to get some condition on it. Thanks in advance
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Post by apple123 on Sept 21, 2009 7:23:36 GMT
My darty who is prone to lami is fed happy hoof as is my Small Hack, there's nothing heating in it at all it costs about £10 per bag. Topspec do a lami light but that's obviously more costly.
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Post by sjc on Sept 21, 2009 7:26:09 GMT
Hi Welshmaid, We have two ponies with lami and for years we have managed to keep them lami free by feeding sharps and some form of chop ( either happy hoof or high fi lite). We have found out from research that lami ponies can have oil in their diet fine, so we have also fed bailleys outshine too for that extra condition and we have never had a problem since. I hope this helps
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Post by SarahWilkes on Sept 21, 2009 8:31:31 GMT
Alfa Oil (or similar)and Top spec Anti Lam - worked a treat all summer.
the top spec is expensive, but a bag will last a very long time.
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Post by sophieandcallum on Sept 21, 2009 9:47:45 GMT
I found topspec antilam not any different to the ingredients in pony nuts we get at the local tack shop for £5! So I feed the £5 bags instead We also feed speedi beet along with hifi lite chaff if needed and garlic, linseed and parsley oil My pony isn't a laminitic but is a highland so a good doer but the yards wee welshie who has had lami gets the same
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Post by kerryo on Oct 4, 2009 8:14:43 GMT
I have a cob who had lammi very bad, we nearly lost her due to this, to fix her feet she is now on biotin, a feed called pegasus as there is nothing high sugar in it, it has all the vitamins and minials you want you horse to have and its cheap.
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Post by welshy83 on Oct 4, 2009 9:20:55 GMT
we nearly lost our pony this time last year to lami he was on hifi and Topspec lami lite and hes been shown all summer at the moment hes on baileys lo cal but his condition isnt as good as when hes on the topspec
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Post by Tandy on Oct 4, 2009 10:07:55 GMT
I changed my boys feed two months ago to Spillers conditioning fibre and their slow release high oil cubes, he has slowly put on weight over the last couple of months and is now looking brill, in fact I was told yesterday by our instructor that he does not need any more condition on so will change him on to the pegasus nuts which again are high fibre nuts and as someone else said very cheap oh and he is a lamanitic as well, and not had any problems on this new diet as its totaly fibre/oil based
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 4, 2009 10:46:06 GMT
I feed dengie go doer and either top spec (if I have a money off coupon) or Baileys lo cal.
If I wanted to put weight on a laminitic I would feed Alpha A Oil and a balancer as that was what I was advised when i had a pony with laminitis and his ribs were showing.
However, laminitis is such a random thing and each pony is different, I really would advise you to speak to a feed adviser at your chosen feed company who will take everything into account, including your hay (advice is free of charge). They will also analyse your hay if you want to be absolutely sure and it doesn't cost a lot.
One thing I would say, if you have a THIN laminitic, you should have them tested for cushings as the two (weight loss and laminitis) are often indicators of cushings or a sugar intolerance. Until you have got those kind of underlying factors under control, you will continue to get the laminitis whatever you feed.
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 7, 2009 9:39:01 GMT
flicker I am so sorry you have put that, I am not getting the joke at all. It is very upsetting even in jest to those people who worry desperately and fight this dreadful disease on a daily basis and to those of us who have lost a pony to laminitis.
I hope you consider deleting your post.
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 7, 2009 9:48:52 GMT
The way I read it, flicker knows the original poster and is having a joke as she obviously really likes the pony in question!
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 7, 2009 10:20:09 GMT
The trouble is that I didn't know she was a friend and they were sharing a private joke and I didn't cotton on as quickly as you did MM.
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 7, 2009 10:21:46 GMT
That's the problem with the written word, often it's not what you say but how you say it, and that doesn't always come across in black and white.
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 7, 2009 11:28:24 GMT
flicker if I have misunderstood your posts, apologies for my remark.
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Post by ponymadmum on Oct 7, 2009 18:39:33 GMT
I feed Happy Hoof and fibre beet to my laminitic both feeds approved by the laminitis trust-sometimes I also give spillers fibre cubes.
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Post by GroganShowTeam on Oct 7, 2009 20:37:13 GMT
I found topspec antilam not any different to the ingredients in pony nuts we get at the local tack shop for £5! So I feed the £5 bags instead We also feed speedi beet along with hifi lite chaff if needed and garlic, linseed and parsley oil My pony isn't a laminitic but is a highland so a good doer but the yards wee welshie who has had lami gets the same I cant imagine pony nuts to be as good as the anti lam. I had my mare on anti lam and hifi lite and she was fab on it, changed to pony nuts as it was costing a fortune and she went down with lammi, shes just come sound again and is on happy hoof and nothing else. Alfa a's good too, along with fibre or speedi beet and topspec feed balancers good for condition
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 7, 2009 20:50:18 GMT
I may be being naieve, but surely any cube or nut is stuck together with sugar which is a no-no for anything laminitic? Or am I behind the times?
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Post by nici on Oct 7, 2009 20:51:03 GMT
i speak to welshmaid as she owns my old pony and presume it is him she is talking about (although the pony never had laminitus when i owned him) but the offer would be genuine id have him back like a flash. id feed safe and sound and plenty of soaked hay yo can also feed high fibre cubes I wouldn't necessarily presume that - Welshmaid has several ponies
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Post by sjc on Oct 8, 2009 8:49:21 GMT
Yes MM, I would also agree with you last post. We wouldnt give any sort of cubes to ours as they have been so good on what they have, but I must say like humans every pony/horse is different. Hope welshmaid finds something for her pony that suits x
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 8, 2009 8:52:25 GMT
Nope, no pony nuts for lammi. Besides, they used to send my first pony off her head!!
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Post by shelleyj on Oct 8, 2009 9:38:36 GMT
I have to agree with sageandonion, please find out the cause first. Our old boy has cushings and is highly insulin resistant. He is fed half a small scoop of bog standard cheap cubes in the evening, along with his 20 periactin tabs. He gets a good size haynet overnight and is fed haylage in the winter. I also add half a small scoop of chaff and half a small scoop of unmolassed beet in the winter to his evening feed, as he is clipped because his coat gets very thick and dense. Half the battle is knowing your pony - if he doesn't drag me out to the field in the morning or if his crest is feeling firmer than normal he is kept in for 3-5 days, obviously hayed during the day and has bute if he is 'pottery' on his feet. This regime and keeping a close eye on him keeps him healthy and happy and able to knock 7 bells out of the other ponies if they bug him!!
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Post by perfect on Oct 8, 2009 14:11:10 GMT
I use Dobson and Horrell SAFE and SOUNd with baileys low cal feed balancer and 2nd crop haylage, mine havent suffered since and look super
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Post by sarahp on Oct 10, 2009 17:11:31 GMT
Normally more molasses in mixes than cubes, but both can contain cereals which are a complete no-no for laminitics so please read bag lables if you want to feed any of these! AntiLam is fed in very small quantities, whereas a pony cube would need to be fed in far larger amounts to supply the required miconutrients, and in any case these would not be tailored for laminitics in the way a suitable balancer from a good feed company would be.
My laminitic pony is currently on HiFi Lite and a bit of unmollassed sugarbeet with her AnitLam in it night and morning. She was fine on hay all summer but had a minor attack when I had to change her onto this year's hay.
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 10, 2009 18:53:02 GMT
I think sarahp's post shows that you have to get it just right, they are walking a fine line and the slightest change can tip the balance.
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Post by dizzydaz on Oct 10, 2009 19:41:10 GMT
Spillers Happy Hoof every time for me, I feed it with sugar beat but if the pony has really bad then try speedi beat no molasses!
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Post by sarahp on Oct 10, 2009 21:59:16 GMT
To answer the original question - to put weight on a laminitic, that's if you want to, better kept slim, you need more calories in the diet without adding cereals or sugar in any form. Oil is useful, and higher quality forage. When I took mine off the new hay, she was on HiFi Lite with some alfa-oil, and I had to take her off that as she was getting fatter and use just the HiFi.
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Post by slj on Oct 10, 2009 22:02:07 GMT
My little pony is going through a bad patch at the moment.......I have been sooooo careful with him all his life ( now 14 1/2 yrs) he only gets a little hi fi lite, hi fi cubes ( just a sprinkle) and a tiny blob of spedi beet plus hay at night..........he will leave the feed if I put bute in it or buteless . which i try to give him when he has a bad time. It has only really effected him this year ...not sure how much more I can take seeing my most long serving best friend in pain.
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Post by sophieandcallum on Oct 11, 2009 20:00:55 GMT
I found topspec antilam not any different to the ingredients in pony nuts we get at the local tack shop for £5! So I feed the £5 bags instead We also feed speedi beet along with hifi lite chaff if needed and garlic, linseed and parsley oil My pony isn't a laminitic but is a highland so a good doer but the yards wee welshie who has had lami gets the same I cant imagine pony nuts to be as good as the anti lam. I had my mare on anti lam and hifi lite and she was fab on it, changed to pony nuts as it was costing a fortune and she went down with lammi, shes just come sound again and is on happy hoof and nothing else. Alfa a's good too, along with fibre or speedi beet and topspec feed balancers good for condition I feed spillers high fibre pony cubes they have the lami trust badge on them as they are approved...so if that doesn't tell you something? I don't think antilam is any better than spillers in my experience , well I have seen no difference.
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Post by boots & saddles on Oct 16, 2009 9:41:43 GMT
slj if you are having trouble getting bute in him try the paste form,and devils claw no bute can also be put into a syringe , i feed hi fi lite or dengie good doer and hi fibre pencils no sugar on them, there are many feeds on the market with the laminitic trust label be careful with these also, to many people think as its got the lamintic trust stamp on it we can give the pony/horse loads and this is not the case always read the bags for ammount to feed.
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Post by ponymadmum on Oct 16, 2009 21:35:46 GMT
Read the laminitis tust website which shows the feeds fully approved by them. A lot of feeds say "hoof kind" this is not the same approval. Spillers Fibre cubes/Happy Hoof/Healthy Hooves and Speedibeet/fibre beet are all fully approved feeds + one or two others.
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