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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 21:07:30 GMT
mmm, very strange, i would have though the forums were the first place that landed!
I have heard plenty of parents losing their temper in the past, but never heard of such a thing happening at a show??? lord knows kids wind us all up at times, but surely, not enough for that and i for one, wont believe it until there is solid evidence.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 21:16:43 GMT
futures I think you live in cloud cuckoo land, you dont seem to be able to answer any of the question that are asked
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Post by poop on Nov 4, 2009 21:36:09 GMT
futures, your posts would have more credability if you were willing to state your name and source. Although i have to say your posts have more than a whiff of public service beaurocracy and language about them so maybe it is that you work for this CPSU dept you mention. Perhaps you are pushing to extend your checks to the show ring, - more revenue and more targets met the cynic in me thinks. Maybe you can put us all out of our misery and reveal yourself and your expertise in this area and where your information comes from.
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Post by dun4u on Nov 4, 2009 21:45:02 GMT
Whilst we are all waiting for futures to come back on here to answer all your questions, sensible ones at that, I would just like to say that kids do get knocked about at shows, cos I have witnessed it.
A couple of seasons ago I was holding a chap's pony whilst he got his two kids ready on their other two ponies to go in for the Championships. As usual he was getting wound up, no wife to be seen and where was the other show-cane? His child pointed to where it was and eventually shouted 'there' at him to which he swung around and took the child a heafty thwack with the stick across the side of his face. Fortunately the rim of his cap took most of the force. Child didn't seem too bothered or shocked - probably used to it - and off they went to the ring.
And what did I do? ABSOLUTELY BL**DY NOTHING! I suppose I was too shocked and dumb-founded. No-one else appeared to have witnessed it so I kept mum. God, how I wish now that I had said something.
Sorry, this has gone off the point of the thread, but, as I say, it does happen. Perhaps futures has answered your questions by the time I post this .... but I doubt it!
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 21:59:45 GMT
OMG!! thats what happens though, whether people are "dun=mb founded" or plain scared, they will walk on by! That person wants locking up.
I slapped my childs backside with a bamboo showcane, only lightly , after she called me her groom, she was laughing, but no-one saw that, didnt half get some dirty looks!! But no one said anything, they should have really! It did probably look like i meant it !
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Post by Futures on Nov 4, 2009 22:06:54 GMT
The CPSU has a website. The show had a social worker present. All event organisers need to carry out risk assessments. Child Protection policies have been drawn up by many organisations. Showing is more than likely to have to fall in line with other sports. On a positive note it will be able to ask to share the good work of those with CRB requirements, CP policies and risk assessments an save time drawing up its own procedures.
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Post by halfpass on Nov 4, 2009 22:32:16 GMT
Sorry but I find all this complete cow dung.
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Post by Milliesmum on Nov 4, 2009 22:34:02 GMT
I have to say I am also coming to that conclusion.
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 22:48:41 GMT
Social workers at horse shows? well i think thats complete boll**ks! sorry, but they are very busy people, dealing with cases such as baby P, and, they barely have time for those sorts of cases,let alone attending a bloody horse show, is someone taking the piddle? ??
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Post by ellieraga on Nov 4, 2009 22:50:39 GMT
Did anyone else see or hear of this ??
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 22:54:15 GMT
Only on this thread Ellieraga!
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Post by ellieraga on Nov 4, 2009 22:55:47 GMT
Uum seems very bizarre to me, what is our world coming too, check for this,check for that , cant do this and that due to Health and Safety, do i need go on ??
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 23:00:28 GMT
Starting to think some really have nothing better to do, unlike, the social services!!!!!!!
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Post by halfpass on Nov 4, 2009 23:40:16 GMT
If these idiots have there way we will all soon have bar codes stamped on our bums to identify us
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 23:44:41 GMT
Yep and it'll cost ys a tenner a piece! what a brilliant country we live in, how do they justify the "great" in great britain?
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Post by Guestless on Nov 4, 2009 23:50:45 GMT
I think it is commonplace for societies to have Child Protection Officers though so futures may have a point.
I witnessed a toddler alone in a land rover at a show this year - child was locked in the car with a dog and left for more than an hour. I eventually mentioned it to the chap who came to tow us out and he thanked me and said he was the Child Protection Officer for that agricultural society so he would deal with it.
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Post by ladybird on Nov 5, 2009 8:32:14 GMT
have to say im with cassie 30 on this one.......social workers at shows? There are barely enough trained social workers to cover their own ground, let alone policing horse shows, honestly this has become silly, or cow dung as half pass says.
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Post by Empress on Nov 5, 2009 9:06:48 GMT
i work in nursery at a primary school so a CRB check is essentsial, any work experience students we have also must have a CRB check before they can start with us. I have always been under the impression that a CRB check is only needed for people coming into close contact with children?? how would a judge or steward come into close contact with a child in the middle of a bloody showing ring?? As has been previoulsy stated on here, parents are also watching at the side of the ring. At no time is the child left alone or out of sight with a judge or steward so why a CRB check would be neeeded is beyond me!! For riding schools, PC camp etc then i would think CRB's would be needed as the majoity of the time children are left in the care of the adult. Future it is very slanderous of you to make claims without the evidence to back it up. You have had a lot of stick on here, however i personally think this is fustration at the fact that you will not back your claims up or tell us where you have gained your info?? I am a gold member of the BHS and a close freind in the Cheif Exec of H&Safety, to date i have heard nothing about CRB's within the BHS so could you please reveal your source of info?? As for children being hit at shows by their parents, i too have unfirtunately witnessed a 'pushy parent' hitting their leadrein rider with a showcain because she didnt ride well enough. I actually new the parent and told them that if i saw her hit ther daughter with the cain again not only wold i report it but i would also let her experience how it felt to be cained across the back her legs!!! Future - although sadly i can beleive that what you are saying may be true as i think this is the sad state that the worls is coming to, unless you can reveal your source of info, everbody will think this is a load of speculation!! On another note, we are having a christamas fair at school to sell gifts etc made by the children. My dad is playing the part of Farther Christmas with me as an elf and my 2 yr old daughter as as Santa's little helper dressed as a snowman. The children visiting Father Christmas are no longer allowed to sit on his knee, have a cuddle etc. They are to shake hands, get their gift and leave.... Christamas spirt eh!! how sad Sorry this has been a story of a post, just had a few points to make!! P.S - i will double check with the BHS today re CRB checks
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Post by viking on Nov 5, 2009 10:19:44 GMT
I imagine that futures may have sat in on some advisory government/social service department meeting somewhere or other and has listened to pipe line discussions. The name futures suggests that to me.
It's interesting that Watford Council appear to have banned parents from accompanying their children into fenced off areas of adventure playgrounds, unless they undergo a criminal record check !
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Post by robertparkerjones on Nov 5, 2009 17:18:38 GMT
I checked yesterday at RDA when we took a group riding and was told that all volunteers and helpers have to have CRB checks!
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Nov 5, 2009 17:35:21 GMT
I checked yesterday at RDA when we took a group riding and was told that all volunteers and helpers have to have CRB checks! I was looking at the BSJA website for a number and all stewards and judges have to have CRB checks - our Pony CLub also had to have them done for all committee members, and I know that there was some consternation that all helpers would have to have one. It was decided that they didn't for now. Certainly all instructors at rallies have to have them. I think that you will see a time when all judges and stewards in showing societies have to have them - in fact I thought they did now, but I may well have picked that up wrongly.
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Post by viking on Nov 5, 2009 17:42:45 GMT
I checked yesterday at RDA when we took a group riding and was told that all volunteers and helpers have to have CRB checks! I think unfortunately, the whole thing will escalate.
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Post by ladybird on Nov 6, 2009 12:03:29 GMT
surely voluteer and helpers have more of a 'hands on' role so to speak helping disabled adults and children than a judge standing in the middle of a field??
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Post by dun4u on Nov 6, 2009 12:44:41 GMT
Just one point I'd like to make: when judging or stewarding at local level (and even higher level this can happen) if a child falls off neither the judge nor the steward are allowed to go to the child to help. We are left feeling helpless, stupid and heartless whilst someone is sent to find the child's parent or guardian., and wait for a paramedic to attend. What a terribly sad state of affairs we are in when we cannot even comfort a tearful child who is more upset about being dumped in front of everyone than worried about any bruises he or she may have. The only useful thing we can do is catch the pony and retrieve the discarded show-cane. What is this country coming to???
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Post by viking on Nov 6, 2009 15:01:12 GMT
The same applies in educational establishments. My OH was told 14 years ago that if a student injured themselves, not to go to help, or administer any first aid for fear of adverse implication.
Indeed, what is this country coming to.
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Post by Trinians on Nov 6, 2009 17:34:07 GMT
The same applies in educational establishments. My OH was told 14 years ago that if a student injured themselves, not to go to help, or administer any first aid for fear of adverse implication. Indeed, what is this country coming to. Agree there. However we've all read about kids also regularly report teachers who touch their clothes when trying to stop fights, classroom disorder or even go to help them!
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Post by viking on Nov 6, 2009 17:58:57 GMT
The same applies in educational establishments. My OH was told 14 years ago that if a student injured themselves, not to go to help, or administer any first aid for fear of adverse implication. Indeed, what is this country coming to. Agree there. However we've all read about kids also regularly report teachers who touch their clothes when trying to stop fights, classroom disorder or even go to help them! Absolutely. Sadly it is wisest not to offer help.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 6, 2009 18:39:50 GMT
Oh dear!!! I am CRB checked as I am a TA in a primary school.On Monday myself and the rest of the staff will be doing the final part of our first aid training ( has to be renewed every 3 years ) with an ex policeman who has so far shown us amongst other things mouth to mouth resuscitation!!!!
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Post by hunter on Nov 6, 2009 19:27:36 GMT
what a load of tosh crbchecks are , how sad this goverment is making this country, when people are affraid to help an injured child for fear of being labled a peadofile then it a very very sad world . i read an artical the other day on a problem page and a father was too scared to bath and put his own child to bed because he said he was affraid to put himself in that kind of situation !!!! how very very sad .
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Post by Futures on Nov 6, 2009 21:51:42 GMT
You've all made good points. CRB's might make showing clean up its act at bit. Being rid of the wayward photos sent out by email and text by some in ponies won't be bad thing.
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