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Post by caron on Nov 10, 2009 22:08:50 GMT
Hi again, meg hasnt been very hungry tonight, she has had some yoghurt and ive jabbed her antibiotics, but all she has really eaten is grass, she has had some water too though, the other thing bothering her are her back legs, because she is not oving very much they are filling up but they are getting quite big now, im thinking i should maybe bandage them, ive been massaging them to try and help but its not really working, is bandaging them a good idea or is there something else better? Personally i would avoid bandaging them after this causing more problems than it solved with one of mine that was on box rest, I suppose light monitored bandaging for short spells wouldn't do any harm but moving about would probably be the best solution but as you say you don't want to expend her low reserves of energy, its a catch 22 situation
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Post by Julie(luke3) on Nov 10, 2009 22:27:50 GMT
Maybe just try a very short walk and see what her reaction is.
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Post by norwalk on Nov 11, 2009 0:15:24 GMT
Hi - hope all goes well, sounds like you're doing your d**ndest for her! I am sure if you speak to Sue Pike at S.P.E.A.R - a rescue in warwick direction - she would be pleased to offer advice on nursing and tempting her appetite - she's brought many rescue ponies back from the brink... will pm her no. to you
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Post by pattendown on Nov 11, 2009 14:07:11 GMT
blimey you must be knackered ,my fingers are crossed for her ,when my rocky had a paralysed larynx i got some bailies stud balancer as it wets down well andis very palatable it helped keephis weight on while he had the tube
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Post by dancha on Nov 11, 2009 21:44:51 GMT
Meg had abit of break thru tonite guys. well this morn she was quite hungry but would only eat grass, then has slowed down thru te day but a friend range tonite and said she had some slobber mash i could try, as hers all love it, i went and picked up a small bag not very hopeful but i soaked it in warm water and took it too her and she wolfed it down!!! guna go and try her with some more later, im just hoping its not a whym cos she does this, starts eating something and then decides shes not hungry. anyway just keeping you all informed, fingers crossed now hey!!
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Post by Milliesmum on Nov 11, 2009 21:49:11 GMT
Keeping everything crossed.xxx
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Post by Julie(luke3) on Nov 11, 2009 21:49:16 GMT
Thats great news. well done x
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Post by aphrodite on Nov 11, 2009 21:55:31 GMT
Aw been following this thread... thats lovely news. Keeping everything x for her.
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Post by caron on Nov 12, 2009 11:22:18 GMT
Meg had abit of break thru tonite guys. well this morn she was quite hungry but would only eat grass, then has slowed down thru te day but a friend range tonite and said she had some slobber mash i could try, as hers all love it, i went and picked up a small bag not very hopeful but i soaked it in warm water and took it too her and she wolfed it down!!! guna go and try her with some more later, im just hoping its not a whym cos she does this, starts eating something and then decides shes not hungry. anyway just keeping you all informed, fingers crossed now hey!! Mine did the same when she was poorly, keep going and tempting her with whatever she will eat, I ended up with loads of half bags of all sorts of stuff, she sounds like she is on the right track, fingers crossed for her making a full recovery.
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Post by dancha on Nov 12, 2009 13:11:25 GMT
Hi everyone, megs break through is over, the slobber mash she ate last nite is now out of favor and she wont touch it, however a very nice lady on here suggested a product called succeed which is a digestive conditioner, i have started her on that today, as the gentleman said her stomach lining will have damage and therefore when she eats it will hurt, the succeed should sort this out!! finers crossed!!
Anyways i will let you know how we progress, but thanks everyone for all your help and support!!
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Post by Julie(luke3) on Nov 12, 2009 17:16:18 GMT
Good luck. Have you had results back from the vet yet?
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 12, 2009 18:08:30 GMT
fingers crossed
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Post by dancha on Nov 12, 2009 18:22:16 GMT
Good luck. Have you had results back from the vet yet? Thanks, yes had faeces sample back today, good news she doesnt have salmonella and her worm count is neg but it still doesnt say what it is,but like the vet said not much point keep wasting money testing her as it wont change the way she is being treated, would be nice to know though, on the up side meg has eaten quite alot of haylage today (well for her anyway) i know we all decided haylage wasnt best but today whilst having a conversation with the biochemist he said haylage is easy to digest because hay is dried it has dried proteins therefor harder to digest, well something like that and abit more!!! Thanks for caring everyone!!! xxx
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Post by Julie(luke3) on Nov 12, 2009 19:08:11 GMT
You are doing all you can for her. Sounds like she is trying to fight it. We are all thinking of you both x
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Post by chloe2 on Nov 12, 2009 22:36:00 GMT
Sounds very much like severe intestinal reaction - possibly encysted red worms emerging from the gut wall. Did your vet have a feel of her colon when doing and internal as lesions can often be felt. Also what parts of her white bloods cells where abnormal. There are 5 types and NEUTROPHILS are related to parasite infection - so ask exactly which white cell groups were raised/lowered. Red Cell is good for replenishing the system with top spec balancer and top spec dr green pr biotic. Alfafa is high protein so should help with lowered protein. Had you wormed her in the week leading up to this. Hope she is ok will say a prayer for her tonight x
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Post by hacklover on Nov 12, 2009 23:21:35 GMT
Hope meg gets better xx. Try a feed balancer. Small amount of feed with a big amount of vits and mins. try biolife cos it smells fab and is a mix so bit more appealing than a pellet. I dont think i would be bran mashing her as there is nothing in her tummy. Just dont be tempted to feed her up with conditioning stuff when she is better. Good luck.
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Post by dancha on Nov 13, 2009 8:47:45 GMT
Sounds very much like severe intestinal reaction - possibly encysted red worms emerging from the gut wall. Did your vet have a feel of her colon when doing and internal as lesions can often be felt. Also what parts of her white bloods cells where abnormal. There are 5 types and NEUTROPHILS are related to parasite infection - so ask exactly which white cell groups were raised/lowered. Red Cell is good for replenishing the system with top spec balancer and top spec dr green pr biotic. Alfafa is high protein so should help with lowered protein. Had you wormed her in the week leading up to this. Hope she is ok will say a prayer for her tonight x Hi chloe thanks for this, no i hadnt wormed her in the week leading to this, her count came back neg, but she has since had a 5 day panacur, the vet didnt say which white blood cells were abnormal but i will contact them and let you know, if you dont mind. I have put her on SUCCEED, she has only had 4 tubes but this stuff seems to be working miracles, through the nite she has eaten all the carrots i had left her, and she has now had some haylage some straw and even some mix, things are looking up but i dont want to get too excited yet, hopefully if things carry on she will be strong enough to go for a walk tomorro or sunday, we will see!! Thanks again everyone, i know i keep saying it but you lot really have helped me no end, well you lot and my family and friends at the yard of course!! i cant wait to see meg cantering around the field in summer!!!
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Post by dressagemad on Nov 13, 2009 9:53:20 GMT
I hope she gets better soon and you are obviously doing what's best for her.
I don't no much about what to feed her to perk her up because I have never been in this position myself and can't even begin to imagine what you are going through.
Obviously your vet knows best and you probably already know this but I did read in "Horse Magazine" this week on pg 88 that worm counts can be unreliable in the colder months. It said "worms generally do not produce many eggs during this period, potentially resulting in a false negative test." Also Worms counts "cannot detect encysted small redworm or tapeworm infections". Your vet has probably checked this out but thought it was worth letting you know just in case as anything is worth a shot at a time like this. I don't know much to help unfortunately but having read this thought it may be worth passing on. I am sorry if it's not helpful to you.
Sending good wishesX
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Post by wobbles on Nov 13, 2009 13:31:05 GMT
Gosh I feel for you but you are doing everything within your power to help Meg, eating is a good sign and could be the Succeed easing the pain in her guts/stomach as she may of developed Ulcers due to all the stress, I hope she carries on improving for you, seems like she is a fighter, lets hope she carries on fighting, sending ((((( healing hugs))))) for you both
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Post by Julie(luke3) on Nov 13, 2009 19:31:42 GMT
Sounding good at the moment dancha xx
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Post by olliemat on Nov 13, 2009 20:44:00 GMT
How awful for you to have such a poorly pony! sounds like you are doing all you can. I was once asked to look after a friends horse while she was on holiday. One day pony was very quiet, normally very bolshy young highland. Something not right, as pony was not mine I got the vet right away. To cut a long story short, turned out to be encysted red worms emerging from the gut wall. Now then if i remember this was about 10yrs ago, Vet said this will not be picked up in droppings or blood test, even if pony has followed a worming programme since she came to my friend at 18mths old, still will not help. The damage is done as not wormed as a foal and dam not wormed!! When friend spoke to breeders the vet was right mares and foals not wormed! I to did everything you are doing, so sad. Hope she makes a recovery soon. Emma x
ps I Have a very sad story about a pony of mine but don't think you need to hear it at the moment! But out of intrest what colour is your pony? If I told you the story you would understand why I ask this.
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Post by dancha on Nov 14, 2009 14:51:59 GMT
Hi Emma, thanks for getting intouch, meg was in quite a bad state when she came so i very much doubt either her or her dam had been wormed!! she has obviously been wormed whilst with me but maybe like you say the damage has already been done, did your friends highland ever get better?? or is this something that re occurs?
with regards to your story pm me, ill get my much stronger husband to read it before i do, oh and meg is palomino, going to post some pics of er on here soon, well when i get a min!! lol
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Post by ponymum on Nov 14, 2009 16:55:57 GMT
So sorry to hear your pony meg is poorly , I have to agree with everyone about the redworms though.... They can take a while to show up and do a lot of damage. Fingers crossed for meg, sounds like shes on the mend, a little tip, we buy small uncut loaves, cut the end off , scoop out the middle and mix into the middle, bran , treacle , polos carrots and feed that to her.....she'll gobble it up!
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Post by 123hayleymp on Nov 15, 2009 9:40:03 GMT
Hi I`m new to this site, your doing the right thing , fluids are essential at times like these, if she doesn`t want to eat then thats fine , when she feels better she`ll eat when she`s hungry,when this time comes , remeber to feed little and often but for now fluids are more important , they can survive so long without food but not for long without water !!!!!
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Post by hacklover on Nov 16, 2009 22:12:16 GMT
might be worth when she is strong enough to walk a little to take her for a nip of grass. im a great believer in fresh air and a bit of grass for them does wonders. good luck
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Post by jenwalsh on Nov 17, 2009 9:15:22 GMT
Sounds like you are doing everything that you can, in regards to the legs swelling i would bandage them to provide that bit extra support, even if it is only through the day or over night? But i do agree that the best cure for swollen legs is to walk her out. I have everything crossed for you and wish you all the best
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Post by dancha on Nov 17, 2009 10:35:34 GMT
Hi everyone thanks for all your continued help and support, meg is doing alot better, she is alot brighter and even whinneys to me when she sees me! i tried to get her out for a walk over the weekend but she didnt want to, so will just keep trying, she is eating abit of haylage but loves her carrots and nuts, her swollen legs seem to be bothering her and she has developed a strange swelling between her legs, but hopefully as she gets stronger she will be walking it off! ill keep in touch and let you all know when she is cantering around the field!!! (that thought seemed so unlikely this time last week) !
thanks everyone
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Post by amumwithapony on Nov 17, 2009 11:17:52 GMT
so glad to hear she is doing a bit better, you have worked so hard to keep this pony going you deserve her to be better. maybe try massaging her legs for her, just rubbing up and down? this may make her feel a bit better until she is strong enough to go for a little walk, and if you get the blood flowing properly through them again, it may make her feel a bit better and she may manage a few steps outside. keep us updated!
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Post by gadabout on Nov 17, 2009 12:41:07 GMT
My 4 yr old as a yearling started with spasmodic colic every day for over 3 weeks, he could not and would not eat at all. He was a skeleton in a skin. My vets did all the tests and everything came back negative. I was going to lose him. I went to visit Debbie Machin at Endon Riding School, and she had a hujnter with similar symptoms, and the hunter had stomach ulcers. She used guastroguard and he got better almost right away. My pony did not have ulcers, but I bullied my vet to let me try it. He is fantastic now and eats everything in sight. He was eventually diagnosed as being allergic to a substance in a probiotic feed I was feeding him and it had stripped the lining off his stomach. Hope this helps.
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Post by dancha on Nov 17, 2009 20:07:36 GMT
My 4 yr old as a yearling started with spasmodic colic every day for over 3 weeks, he could not and would not eat at all. He was a skeleton in a skin. My vets did all the tests and everything came back negative. I was going to lose him. I went to visit Debbie Machin at Endon Riding School, and she had a hujnter with similar symptoms, and the hunter had stomach ulcers. She used guastroguard and he got better almost right away. My pony did not have ulcers, but I bullied my vet to let me try it. He is fantastic now and eats everything in sight. He was eventually diagnosed as being allergic to a substance in a probiotic feed I was feeding him and it had stripped the lining off his stomach. Hope this helps. hummm very interesting thanks for this, meg has been on a product called succeed which is meant to be good for ulcers, what was your boy allergic too in the por biotic, although before this incident meg had only been on grass for much of her life, although not long before this i had put a bale of haylage on the field for them, this was the only thing that had changed!! thanks for getting intouch! and sorry in relation to her legs i have been rubbing them and walking them (if that makes sense) i have also put some arnica gel on them tonight! hopefully she will want to come out over the next few days. thanks again everyone
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