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Post by bundle on Jun 2, 2010 11:35:32 GMT
Naughty naughty guest -
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 2, 2010 16:31:00 GMT
Why is the guest naughty?
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Post by columbine on Jun 2, 2010 23:06:53 GMT
As far as I know there are 2 Amy Cook's in the BSPS. One is the daughter of an Area Chairman, the other is the Grandaughter of an Area Chairman!! Would just like to say that my Grandaughter is not the person involved in this thread.
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Post by confusedcom on Jun 3, 2010 7:37:20 GMT
i agree with sageand onion why is the guest naughty? for just asking which amy cook it is the answer must be the amy cook whos mum is an area chairman
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Post by ponymum on Jun 3, 2010 7:52:56 GMT
Actually none at all!! I wrote to them again yesterday regarding four different ponies at our show - which I have to say is most disappointing. The second in the PP Lead Rein was disqualified The winner of the Lead Rein of SHT was disqualified No news on Pocohuntas - it appears that the owners believe they are eligible and the BSPS require proof that it was in a yard when they bought it. The Amy Cook question is still outstanding. I am disappointed that I need to find the proof rather than the previous owners coming forward - but I will watch the space so to speak! EXACTLY....Bundle, wouldnt you think these "supposed cheaters" had a little conscience (SP) especially ones that have won prestigious events such as Hoys.....surely PP is for the amatures
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Post by bundle on Jun 3, 2010 8:04:46 GMT
Amy Cook was offered the ride after having qualified PP and has given up doing them - therefore "done the right thing" - I think guest was naughty in putting in the "overheight" comment - that is a completely different matter and if anyone things a pony is overheight they should put their money on the line and object.
Also I have said before - if you are buying a pony make it a prequisite while vetting to measure . We could stamp the overheight problem once and for all if we all did this.
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 3, 2010 8:06:50 GMT
This is very very sad and has completely spoilt things for so many people. I am sorry for you bundle as you obviously worked very hard, but can't anticipate this sort of thing.
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Post by whyw on Jun 3, 2010 8:47:07 GMT
Amy Cook was offered the ride after having qualified PP and has given up doing them - therefore "done the right thing" - I think guest was naughty in putting in the "over height" comment - that is a completely different matter and if anyone things a pony is over height they should put their money on the line and object. Also I have said before - if you are buying a pony make it a prequisite while vetting to measure . We could stamp the over height problem once and for all if we all did this. the over height statement was in relation to the 15h shp that was measured out by the JMB , after HOYS !! not i repeat not a dig at the height of any animal they may or may not show!!!!. also as being an area chairperson should they not lead by example, this is all i am going to say on the matter
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Post by in agreement on Jun 3, 2010 8:53:20 GMT
I agree with whyw, they managed to compete and get placed at HOYS! Using a loophole to delay measurment!
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Post by bundle on Jun 3, 2010 9:27:46 GMT
Then object - the BSPS cannot do anything unless someone is prepared to do that. No good complaining - put money where mouth is (as the saying goes)
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Post by ballsup on Jun 3, 2010 10:05:34 GMT
Think that bundle has proved that there are loads of very honest hardworking people in the BSPS! It is no good just complaining , but if the JMB couldnt stop an overheight pony competing at HOYs then what chance does anyone else have. I feel very sorry for the owners of the pony that should have been there.
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Post by in agreement on Jun 3, 2010 10:08:28 GMT
Seems pointless to object to much these days. Depends how much clout you hold in the showing world, a pony at your show that 100% should have been disqualified has not been. Disgusting for those who have missed out because of the owners lying and getting away with it!
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Post by 100 sure on Jun 3, 2010 10:31:45 GMT
'in agreement' if you are a '100% sure' one of the ponies is not home produced, why don't you do something about it rather than just saying something on the internet. Or are you just stirring??
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Post by bundle on Jun 3, 2010 10:33:07 GMT
No it is not pointless - I promise you the JMB are working very hard to stamp out this type of cheating and the BSPS are right behind this too. I will be at the Chairman's meeting next week and will mention your concerns but it really only needs "Good people to do nothing" for the practice to continue.
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Post by ballsup on Jun 3, 2010 10:40:17 GMT
Yes the JMB are doing loads, but the pony still competed. And Pocohontas should not have been doing PP classes if it was on a yard from the date stated in the rule book, not just from where the new owners purchased it from.
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Post by I agree aswell on Jun 3, 2010 10:45:50 GMT
Can Bundle please post the confirmed qualifiers in the pp shp as if it has been proved pocahontas was in a pro yard this year even if the new owners were unaware they have obviously now been made aware and surely another pony is now missing out? perhaps Bundle could also enlighten us to the whole story as there seems to be a lot of hearsay.
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Post by ballsup on Jun 3, 2010 11:06:57 GMT
Also if Pocohontas is not eligable for PP, has the owner of the pony who should have qualified been trekking around the country trying to do so? or sitting it out waiting to hear from BSPS?.
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Post by bundle on Jun 3, 2010 13:09:45 GMT
The BSPS have contacted the producer and she has confirmed that the pony was turned out at her yard but not stabled. They bought her in to show to prospective owners but she was completely roughed off and in poor condition. The new owners bought her in good faith believing that she was eligible for PP. At our show she was placed 2nd to a pony that had already qualified ahead of Chinook Paprika (I think and I don't have time to look up at this time). Paprika's owner's rang me to find out the outcome of Pocohuntas enquiry but the following week they also won the PP qualifier at (again off the top of my head) Area 6? - I do hope you are following this! Jill Vaughan's pony was second to Paprika - keep alert now! The BSPS told RI the situation and they decided (RI not BSPS) to allow Pocohuntas to compete at Hickstead as the people are genuine Home produced, novice people and should be encouraged within the sport and to give another qualification to Jill's pony. As far as I can see this is a win-win situation where common sense and a little latitude has left everyone involved happy. Anyone who does not agree, I suggest you keep it to yourself because one day you may need a bit of luck too and I would hate to not hope you get it!
OK!!! Incidentally Pocohuntas will not compete in any further PP classes this year.
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Post by Ridesapphire on Jun 3, 2010 13:38:48 GMT
A bit confused have googled "Abbi Pownall-Gray"(rider of Pocohuntas) and was competing B.S.P.S. Summer Champs 2007 listed in results?
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Post by bundle on Jun 3, 2010 14:31:07 GMT
They believed they were eligible for PP classes whether they competed in 2007 or not. Case closed please!
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 3, 2010 16:26:03 GMT
Am following correctly and I don't have any vested interest, but it seems to me your post says: The rules were contravened, but it was decided that the owners didn't realise they were breaking the rules, so they have been allowed to retain their first position.
Is that right? I hope not because that opens the flood gates and does make a complete nonsense of the rules.
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Post by How novice on Jun 3, 2010 16:52:34 GMT
The BSPS told RI the situation and they decided (RI not BSPS) to allow Pocohuntas to compete at Hickstead as the people are genuine Home produced, novice people and should be encouraged within the sport and to give another qualification to Jill's pony. As far as I can see this is a win-win situation where common sense and a little latitude has left everyone involved happy. Anyone who does not agree, I suggest you keep it to yourself because one day you may need a bit of luck too and I would hate to not hope you get it! OK!!! Incidentally Pocohuntas will not compete in any further PP classes this year. I don't understand, if they are novice owners how they were being placed at summer champs in 2007? In who'd opinion where they novice owner? This does all sound very dodgy!
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Post by bemused on Jun 3, 2010 17:20:24 GMT
I have to say that I don't think this ruling is fair. The rules were contravened and as S&O says we could all say - Oops - it was an honest mistake!!
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 3, 2010 18:58:13 GMT
I have just been giving chapter and verse to another lady in a different thread about how she has to play things by the book, even though she didn't know the rules when she bought her pony and be holier than thou. Feel somewhat stupid now, shall have to go tell her forget what I said and do what ever she likes.
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Post by ballsup on Jun 3, 2010 20:24:40 GMT
Sorry bundle but this is a real case of one rule for some and another rule for others. And who do we pay our memberships to BSPS or RIHS? I bet everyone involved is VERY happy.
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Post by bundle on Jun 4, 2010 6:32:00 GMT
I do hope so ballsup - but miracles don't happen that often I am told!!
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Post by ballsup on Jun 4, 2010 6:42:00 GMT
Well it sounds like case closed, so, good luck to ALL pp riders going to Hickstead. Hope all your hard work at HOME pays off!
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Post by very pleased on Jun 4, 2010 7:34:57 GMT
OK!!! Incidentally Pocohuntas will not compete in any further PP classes this year. I am very pleased to know they wont be at Hickstead and have decided to do the right thing even if BSPS haven't!
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 4, 2010 8:22:43 GMT
Well frankly I wouldn't blame them if they did. If BSPS say it is ok to break the rules so long as you don't know you are or say you don't know you are, then why not.
BSPS have just set one massive precedent and lost the respect of a lot more people.
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Post by clobo121082 on Jun 4, 2010 10:07:55 GMT
God after this thread who would want to compete in home produced classes!!! ;-)
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