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Post by hunter on Jun 14, 2010 22:33:30 GMT
Oh sometime ,your story just made me laugh out loud ,how funny i hope you laughed too ? it obviously just prooved how ignorant they were .
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Post by hollycane on Jun 15, 2010 9:50:15 GMT
Well it seems poor sportsmanship may have been to the fore in a number of classes at this show including the horse showing from people who should know an awful lot better. It costs absolutely nothing to politely question the judges after any class in which you have a difference of opinion about the results. But nobody ever does. We get lots of back biting and veiled threats. I have made my opinion on this matter known and I will not stand for it.
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Post by sallyw on Jun 15, 2010 9:56:11 GMT
They really do spoil things some people, dont they? My granduaghter did her very first WHP calss at the weekend (It was only the pony's second time) and from a class of 16, they won. The mother stood next to me at the ringside, said "Well what do you expect, its clearly a schoolmaster". Actually she isn't and has done (until that day) precisely one WHP round and three clear round jumping rounds at shows. We have a motley collection of drums, fallen logs and old fencing rails to jump at home. We have had the pony all her life. We were so very proud - but it did take the shine off the get catty comments.
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Post by bonnieheather on Jun 15, 2010 10:21:08 GMT
What a shame Grumpy, such ignorant people, but VERY well done for your achievement!!
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Post by lorilingo on Jun 15, 2010 19:14:20 GMT
We had a lynch mob waiting for us as we left the ring on Sunday because we had dared to win the ridden coloured with a lead rein Shetland. They didn't care that my 7 year old neice could hear them. We laughed it off as our Shetland always does great in coloured classes but it wasn't nice hearing such bitter comments.
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Post by bonnieheather on Jun 15, 2010 21:27:11 GMT
How utterly disgusting. Well done on your win :-)
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Post by viking on Jun 15, 2010 21:40:54 GMT
Well done lorilingo.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jun 16, 2010 8:10:02 GMT
I have been out of showing for many years but am just starting again with a yearling section B, but after reading about the nastiness that goes on im not sure i'll bother!!!! I certainly dont remember much nastiness back in the 80's at top level!!!!!
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Post by sallyw on Jun 16, 2010 8:47:00 GMT
How nice to see a LR Shetland win a coloured class. There is absolutely no reason why this should not happen. There have been some very good coloured Shetlands about this year - there's one that we have been up against one or twice and its very good.
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Post by tiffany on Jun 17, 2010 15:51:29 GMT
I am Dianne Hesford, the judge in question at Derbyshire Festival, M and M HOYS. I have just returned from Cheshire after supporting my daughter Sarah following the devastating week following Roberts stroke. I am not in the habit of replying to gossip but would like to put the record straight. I am 63 years old and started showing at the age of 4 for Penhill pony Stud , in Devon. After 59 years I do know a lot of people in the job. But they do not form part of my social life as my husband is totally non horsey and would be bored to tears if he had to listen to "horse talk" at night. Last Sunday my partner "in crime" was a gentleman who I met once last year. Did not even recognize him when I arrived . Of all the competitors in the ring in all my classes I knew to say hello to on a show ground were Richard Telford, Sarah Challinor and Emma Boardman. Though those of you from the old days will know that the latter family and I had our differences and keep our distance. the classes were huge and on our go rounds we noticed a few that we really liked. Any that misbehaved I instructed my steward to take the number so I would not give a high ride mark, though for those of you who saw my steward writing for me probably thought I was noting "FACES" ha ha. Sorry at that distance I could not SEE the faces. Reason I wear glasses now so I can see the ponies without squinting. Of all the classes Mr Helme and I were pleased that our go round ponies came in the top 2 in all but the Sec C and D. The latter because we thought the standard so high it was impossible to select . Of the "connection" to Ron and Debbie Thomas, well basically there is not one. My youngest daughter rode a 12.2 for them 20 years ago. Yes they live near me in South Wales but in the 3 years I have lived here I have been to the yard once. they visited me on our arrival in Swansea to welcome us to Wales. Personally that is I think neighborly. They certainly are not social friends and have never been invited to their house. I did not know Gemma James and if she walked into my house now I would not recognize her. Why should I I truly believe the Nebo cob lovely, but he did not have my highest mark for ride, so where is the GOT AT accusation that appears on this site for all to see. In the Exmoor etc class I will hold my hands up and say I am not a fan of Exmoors but on the day but to the amusement of my stewards I had to eat humble pie as they went the best. The Dales was mind blowing. Hundreds of years ago, or so it seems, I was told that a Dales should look like a bicycle wheels, and boy did that Dales go some. His show was OUTSTANDING and if you have a video then it should be used as "how to do it". For the first time in my life I gave a 50. the same riders cob also had a high mark because he galloped it left handed in a perfect straight line in front of the line up, never once hanging or altering his rhythm, that takes schooling and riding and was worthy of a high mark. He got 49. I think I have spoken to Richard Telford about 6 times in my life. As for being got at, I have received phone calls before shows and have reported them to Joy Hall immediately, I am sure she will vouch for that. I cannot be bought. I find it sad that my integrity is being brought into question. As a PS I found out who was my champion when my youngest daughter rang and asked who I had, I said Nebo Julieanne and she told me it was Thomas's.
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Post by tuppence on Jun 17, 2010 16:15:02 GMT
I am not into M&M but I am very good at recognising "Face" judging. I stewarded for Di last year and found her "straight", charming and concerned that her judging should be easy to understand from outside the ring.
BTW Di will not know who I am and would not know me if she met me again
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Post by busybusy on Jun 17, 2010 16:17:06 GMT
What a d**ned shame when a highly respected judge has to come on here and defend her actions! ...but very well done to Mrs Hesford and shame on those whose behaviour on the day was inappropriate.
I was not competing in these classes, but do have a strong interest in M&M's. I watched the section C winner working in, and commented to a friend what a lovely stamp the pony was. As for the D winner - stunning. Both classes were huge and the general standard was IMO very high.
I am sure that I speak for the majority on this site when I congratulate you Mrs Hesford, not only for a mammoth judging effort on the day - but for turning up at all under the circumstances.
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Post by thedunthing on Jun 17, 2010 16:53:38 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself busybusy! Lorilongo - I know who you are now! I was stewarding in that ring when your Shetland won and it was a thouroughly deserving winner! I didn't hear the comments afterwards but when the judge left the ring the girl that was second asked her why she was second to a lead-rein, she was told that the lead rein won because it was the only pony who did a foot perfect show - I would have thought the reason yours won should have been totally obvious to any half knowlegable spectator! We have had a similar, but more lighthearted experience when my daughter's horse went Champion at a show. My daughter was later in the queue for a sandwich when someone in the group in front of her asked one of her friends "Did anyone see what got the Championship?" The reply - "Yeah" - wrinkling nose in disgust - "some scraggy ex-racer looking thing"! Daughter said she really wanted to tap her on the shoulder and say " that would that be my scraggy ex-racer."
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Post by lips36 on Jun 17, 2010 17:41:16 GMT
thedunting i think your daughter did verywell not to open her mouth as i would of ppl like make ya so cross arrr, well done tho for winning infact it was fab :~)
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 17, 2010 17:44:23 GMT
thedunting i think your daughter did verywell not to open her mouth as i would of ppl like make ya so cross arrr, well done tho for winning infact it was fab :~) Please don't use text speak in the main forums, it is only allowed in the junior area. Thank you.
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Post by bonnieheather on Jun 17, 2010 17:54:23 GMT
Good on you Dianne for standing up and making your thoughts known - with all that goes on in showing, it's amazing they have anyone left willing to judge, but I guess you have to take it all with a pinch of salt!! We're all judges, we all have our preferences - I particually liked another mare that wasn't placed, but it's personal opinion, and from my ringside seat I couldn't see what the real judges could see! You all pay your money to enter the class, that's the nature of the game, it's a competition, there will be one winner, and it will not always be you! I'm not sure how you managed to stand for the length of time that you did watching so many horses though!!! I was exhausted sitting by the side!
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Post by hollycane on Jun 17, 2010 18:35:13 GMT
Well done Dianne. I was also there on Sunday and you managed a marathon of judging exceptionally well in trying personal circumstances. It takes far more experience, courage and integrity to be the kind of judge Dianne is, giving something back to showing, than a faceless, shameful detractor. As comments made before, being a judge is hard enough. There are less and less people coming forward to learn to steward let alone judge. So pretty soon, those of you who like to rudely voice your opinions in a negative way out loud or poison pen it on sites like this won't have any shows to go to.
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Post by girly on Jun 17, 2010 19:02:42 GMT
I am totally shocked that a judge should even feel that they need to come on here and defend their judging. Unfortunately there are too many people showing who do not know enough about good conformation and correct way of going in a ridden classes. They view their own animals through rose coloured spectacles so thick that all they see is a blur and other peoples animals through a great bib magnifying glass. Not everybody likes the same thing and if you can't accept that the judges discion is final then find another hobby.
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Post by dimwit on Jul 4, 2010 18:35:27 GMT
If they talk to a poor judge and steward like that just think what they do to the poor pony or horse. They need to look at themselves and work harder may be smile once in a while, its so funny "mummy mummy i didnt win" its the judges fault or the ponies fault get a grip
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Post by welshshowcobs on Jul 4, 2010 19:04:06 GMT
i will say that i know its true in that abuse was shouted at the ridden d rider as it was mentioned in disgust in h&h,if they are commenting on it thats definetly too obvious and too rude!cant take it?dont show!
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Post by kayjayem on Jul 4, 2010 19:17:51 GMT
What a lovely dignified and reasoned response from Dianne Hesford. That is obviously why she is a well respected judge and some people will always only ever be sour, spiteful losers. It's about time some people watched and learned rather than the blinkered "it's fixed" response, those people will never improve as they think they know it all already!
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Post by pattendown on Jul 5, 2010 21:57:57 GMT
bloomin cheek nf ponies are as lovely as any other theres no pleasing somepeople
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Post by ballaghstud on Jul 6, 2010 8:52:46 GMT
there will be no judges that want to judge soon. they are d**ned if they do and d**ned if they dont.
I for one wouldnt want to be a judge. What happened to 'judges decision is final'
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Post by bumblebee on Jul 6, 2010 9:31:38 GMT
That is discusting behaviour especially when there are people out there who be delighted to be placed 6th or even those who be overjoyed to even have the chance to compete - people are so ungrateful and spoilt and really don't appreciate what they have. Even if you don't win you probably still have a lovely pony or horse that some pony mad kids who do not have parents who can afford to have ponies would love to ride or own. I remember when I was kid my parents were always telling me how lucky I was to even have a pony when there are children in this world who do not even have enought to eat - let alone a pony that would win a competition. VERY well said!!
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Post by maudie on Jul 6, 2010 10:04:58 GMT
That is discusting behaviour especially when there are people out there who be delighted to be placed 6th or even those who be overjoyed to even have the chance to compete - people are so ungrateful and spoilt and really don't appreciate what they have. Even if you don't win you probably still have a lovely pony or horse that some pony mad kids who do not have parents who can afford to have ponies would love to ride or own. I remember when I was kid my parents were always telling me how lucky I was to even have a pony when there are children in this world who do not even have enought to eat - let alone a pony that would win a competition. VERY well said!! Yes absolutely right
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Post by Guestless on Jul 6, 2010 10:15:35 GMT
I'm very grateful that I was taught before you could be a good winner, you need to learn to be a good loser
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Post by rosa on Jul 6, 2010 18:06:18 GMT
I support the ones on here who are appalled that a judge has to vindicate themselves regarding their judging. Diane Hesford is one of the straightest judges going, no I don't know her and she doesn't know me.
I was at Somerford but didn't see or hear the discontented exhibitor.
Now lets be honest,what should really happen it that any exhibitor should be banned from whatever Societies they are registered with, for whatever period is deemed fit, if they act in the way this exhibitor did, that would cure the lot of them from whinging.
Now if you want to see some real abuse of judges and exhibitors, just stand at the side of the welsh rings, particularly the C & D rings, its bloody disgusting.
At the end of the day its supposed to be fun, its not life or death.
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Post by diannehesford on Jul 6, 2010 18:39:45 GMT
Thank you Rosa and so many others who have supported me for being a "straight" judge. i like to think I am and judge what I see in front of me on the day. The one thing that a lot of people do not get to see is that standing in the middle of the ring is different from "judging" on the outside. All judges have their likes and dislikes within that particular breed or type, plaited or WHP and you are paying for that opinion on the day. I could write realms on what I am looking for, how I like them to go, etc but you would alll get bored. If anyone wants to steward with me at a future show them I would be only too happy, I am sure the show would as well, they would then see how |I judge and which "faces" I like !!!!!! This whole saga has upset me as I know I am straight, my family know I am straight but have the powers to be lost confidence in me and has this spoilt my invitations for the future.
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Post by garnet on Jul 6, 2010 19:06:06 GMT
mrs. hesford, i do not know you, but from what others have posted,it is clear you are a decent person, and a good judge, can i as a recently retired judge,just say to you, the majority of people who compete are also decent people who accept the judges opinion, but as my mother used to say theres always one!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jul 6, 2010 21:38:52 GMT
it is a sad state of affairs when a well respected judge even needs to explain anything!!! I know there is alot of money in showing but really at the end of the day it should be fun and you go to be judged under a judge and their decision is final, if this idiot cannot accept this they should pack it in, why can't people not just be happy for other people, win and lose graciously, enjoy the fact that you are fully able to go out showing when there are others far less fortunate in this world
was this person identified by anyone? has a complaint been made as from sounds of things they should be getting pulled up and banned from any show ground as they are a disgrace to the sport!
next time anyone see's this sort of behaviour you should get out your mobile and video them at it - it is abusive, not only to the winner but to the judge, no one should get away with behaving in such a manner, it is so disrespectful!!!
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