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Post by ewj on Jan 18, 2011 14:49:53 GMT
Hi
I know tails should be pulled but a judge told me that I could also clip my show hunter ponys tail??
Has anyone done this? and could give me some advice
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 15:02:26 GMT
I just get a thinning comb, the ones with a wilkinson blade in them and just thin the outside of my horses tail, looks just as professional. Its all well and good saying pull them but when your horse gets that upset and violent the only way would be to sedate them pulling doesnt just seem worth it for a rosette.
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Post by armada on Jan 18, 2011 18:18:16 GMT
I also use the thinning combs on mine, trying to pull their tails is'nt worth the hassle. I do tend to clip the underside with small trimming clippers, but in such a way the top hairs which have been shortened lie over where I have clipped, and once the tail bandage has been removed the hairs lie very close and the tail sits nicely in between the cheeks. I find the look is very acceptable if done carefully, but know it is not to everyones taste, but broken ribs are not to mine!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 20:25:59 GMT
I use a thinning rake too. If I paid lots of money for a producer, I would want them pulled properly. But as I do it all myself (all 5) a rake it has to be for me! Less time and looks ok, if not the FAB look the pros get x
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Post by ewj on Jan 18, 2011 22:20:41 GMT
THANK YOU
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Post by gadabout on Jan 19, 2011 0:23:31 GMT
To get a nice tail that looks pulled, clip the tail right from the very top down, going the same way as the tail grows. Just clip at the sides and leave the middle with hair on it. If you clip the same way as the hair grows it does not stick out like a loo brush. Then use thinning scissors or solo comb or no tails thinner on the strip of hair running down the centre. Bandage whilst travelling to show, and it looks just as good as pulled one. Good luck.
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Post by norwalk on Jan 19, 2011 0:43:53 GMT
So glad to see so much support for this - I have one who is terrified of tail pulling (and with a producer was pulled to point of bleeding in huge patches - tail looked fab after a couple of weeks though! )... If I have one who doesn't seem to notice pulling then I do pull, but otherwise I would always take the humane option and use a combination of trimmers and stripping comb. Results are never quite as good, but totally acceptable, and a smaller price to the horse for our vanity!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 19, 2011 3:27:28 GMT
If its traumatic and you can get same results with a razor / rake then why traumatise them ?
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Post by shwmaeCP on Jan 19, 2011 10:54:46 GMT
I can't stand clipped tails I think they look very unsmart and give a lazy finish but I suppose if a youngster hates pulling you may have no other way
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jan 19, 2011 12:54:23 GMT
Agree (above) I can't stand clipped tails either. Pulling is becoming a lost art, unfortunately.
And, done carefully over time, fingering a few hairs at a time, a) it needn't bleed and b) the pony needn't get 'traumatised' to quote EmmaJane.
But hopefully the fashion of clipping all round the dock, as it were, will no longer be copied. People here have mentioned discrete and more artistic alternatives) Also, you can pop a tail bandage on in the stable, daily, during your grooming session. And, make sure it isn't too tight, particularly in transit. Grossly unfair on the pony and can have disasterous results, as can using a wet elasticated bandage, which is a complete no-no. Be warned!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 19, 2011 13:26:00 GMT
I had a show cob and you would have took months to pull his tail and was a sensitive soul even with oil of cloves rubbed in, so a razor was the more humane option allround.
Doesnt matter to me as got natives anyway, but i do pull a show ponies tail with a razor very discreetly and looks like a proper pulled tail, doesnt have to be a bog brush if when you groom you tidy a little each time, i do the back combing but then slice instead of rip out. I hate to see tails which just had have the top clipped to the bone,, that is awful, but discreet tidying with a balde, solo comb, or thinning knife or rake doesnt have to look as though its been cut and i blend it in very well.
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Post by Mari on Jan 19, 2011 17:38:14 GMT
I am not a fan of clipped tails either.
When trimming I puul there tails properly, I have never had a 'traumatised' horse/pony. If its a heavy thick tail which need alot of pulling i will do it in stages and take time over it untill the final result is achieved them just keep on top of it.
I do agree with "shsstablemanager" tailing pulling is a dying art, personally i think it gives the best look.
I have used rakes, and thining combs but my metho of choice is pulling, to be honest my love it an lift there tails up and are very relaxed when having it done.
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Post by pennypoo on Jan 19, 2011 20:40:00 GMT
i dont mind clipped with clippers down the sides but tail rake/scissors/razor (either of these) on the 'more seen' hairs if you get me??! i hate hate hate pulling, sorry to those who do it but ive seen showponies that i rode for a producer in agony having their tails pulled with blood on them.... is this worth it ?? all for showing or looking nice??? TAIL RAKE ALL THE WAY if i had to choose xxx
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 19, 2011 20:42:11 GMT
I do not touch the centre of the tail i pull down the sides, and grade it in the tail, i dont like to see shaved totally.
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Post by hatman on Jan 19, 2011 22:54:13 GMT
I use a smart tails comb and pull some as my pony not keen do a bit every few days as much as he can cope with i don't like clipped tails years ago i used to use a metal mens hair comb but they all seem to be plastic now.
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Post by S4rahP on Feb 1, 2011 9:45:33 GMT
I clip mine up the sides and thin down the middle with a blade for a natural finish and bandage. My pony is 18 and must have been pulled to death over the years she just rears up if she even thinks your going to pull anything....poor thing it's not worth it......oh and we won reserve in hand champion on Sunday so I dont think a pulled tail would have made any difference. On the other hand I have seen some tails clipped sides and up the middle and it looks awful please never do this.
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Post by foster on Feb 1, 2011 10:48:36 GMT
i clip the sides of mine and just leave the centre, looks just as good as a pulled tail and is totally stress free xx
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Post by teabag on Feb 1, 2011 19:22:52 GMT
I clip the sides on my cob and blend it in with a razor comb. Takes a bit of practise but it can look like it;s been pulled well. Richard Ramsay and Robert Oliver have both mistaken my cob's tail for a well pulled tail
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Post by laurajazmine on Feb 1, 2011 23:14:43 GMT
I had no option with my mare, she had an allergic reaction to Tea Tree and had to have all the sides and back of her tail shaved, which meant for that season i had to keep clipping to keep it tidy. Its now fully grown out and is raked, because she won't accept pulling and i refuse to put her through any pain for the sake of a judge..
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Post by amanda on Feb 2, 2011 22:57:30 GMT
i hate them but!! if needs be do it !!if mine will stand it i will pull as i believe it looks better and if correctly done looks better when growing out i have never had a problem pulling tails (on mine anyway) but watching some people pull tails im not surprised horses/ponies object, some folk take great handfulls in a comb and just yank it out!! i take a FEW hairs and sort of pluck close to root between finger and thumb brushing in between it may take 1/2 days at intervals but better than the hedgehog look sorry my opinon .
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Post by matchingtonfarm1 on Feb 10, 2011 14:58:30 GMT
gadabout your tails always look fab !
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Post by ponymum on Feb 10, 2011 15:07:12 GMT
my friend does mine with the clippers, infact she did them last night, and they look FAB ;D
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Post by Philippa on Feb 10, 2011 18:24:47 GMT
I use the clippers with an attachment on for longest cut after I have raked and grade it down. I never clip the full dock as I also think clipped tails look awful. Sorry if it offends silvester but your ponies tail looks shocking clipped. I leave the middle and thin it through. And no, you can't pull raydars tail at all but we survive.
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Post by dazycutter on Feb 10, 2011 18:48:16 GMT
sorry... clipped tails look dreadful and grow back twice as bushy.. I hate them with a passion.. sorry....
if pony is difficult, put the tail over the stable door to pull.. You can also get lignacaine gel to deaden the area.
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Post by armada on Feb 10, 2011 19:31:08 GMT
We tried to do it over the stable door with one riding pony, did'nt get as far as actually pulling anything, as soon as my friend touched its tail, it nearly had the door off its hinges and made a walloping great crack in the lining, not everything will tolerate its tail being pulled and two of mine will not stand still stable door or not, to allow you to pull it, and a good eye and a lot of practise can achieve an acceptable result. I've known two people off the top of my head lose their life trying to pull tails on animals who wont wear it, and if they are likely to react badly, either forwards or backwards, its best worked round. As for them growing back twice as bushy, I dont think so, if that was the case, my brother would have a mad afro and not be in the throes of male pattern baldness, he used my trimming blades on his head - the same ones I use on the ponies tails, and their ears and whiskers would now be totally out of control!
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Post by hollycane on Feb 10, 2011 21:31:26 GMT
I do both clipped and pulled. I used to do hundreds of pulling jobs every season as I used to have fingers of steel. I had the very odd animal I had to do over a door but very rarely had any that didn't settle then end up enjoying it, pushing back and scratching on me. Silvester I have to agree that clipping all over this tail has given it the dreaded bogbrush look. If clipping must be done do the sides only and use a rake on the top side, tweaking out a few of the long hairs. bandage for 1hr per day
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Post by thecremellosociety on Feb 10, 2011 21:35:46 GMT
a old clipper blade can work well to and funnily enough my favoured item was a serrated bot knife too
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Post by sageandonion on Feb 10, 2011 21:42:42 GMT
I am afraid the totally clipped bog brush style tail looks like the pony has sweet itch and has had a night up the wall. Thats not being rude, I think it is unkind not to tell someone they are making a mistake and their pony looks dreadful. Take from the sides with care.
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Post by dazycutter on Feb 10, 2011 22:38:58 GMT
We tried to do it over the stable door with one riding pony, did'nt get as far as actually pulling anything, as soon as my friend touched its tail, it nearly had the door off its hinges and made a walloping great crack in the lining, not everything will tolerate its tail being pulled and two of mine will not stand still stable door or not, to allow you to pull it, and a good eye and a lot of practise can achieve an acceptable result. I've known two people off the top of my head lose their life trying to pull tails on animals who wont wear it, and if they are likely to react badly, either forwards or backwards, its best worked round. As for them growing back twice as bushy, I dont think so, if that was the case, my brother would have a mad afro and not be in the throes of male pattern baldness, he used my trimming blades on his head - the same ones I use on the ponies tails, and their ears and whiskers would now be totally out of control! it was a suggestion.. sorry if you took offense as your response is cleary a dig at what I wrote.... of course there are horses who wont tolerate it, the OP asked if shaved tails were OK... and asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion that shaved tales look dreadful. is your brother a horse! human hairs is not the same as horse hair. If you shave them, tails grow back very coarse and make them even more difficult to pull in future.
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Post by tinytot on Feb 11, 2011 0:54:43 GMT
I agree with sage and onion, clipped tails look like the pony has sweet itch, I don't want to be rude or horrible but silvester I don't think that tail looks very good, it does look obviously clipped, I much prefer if the pony won't tolerate it being pulled to use a thinning comb / rake, I think this achieves a much nicer result. With my horse who had a very thick tail, I used to use a thinning comb to get it in to shape down the sides and then pulled it to finish off and thin it out properly.
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