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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Apr 4, 2011 7:56:45 GMT
Apologies if this is the wrong area to put this in.
My pony has over the winter developed a sarcoid on his front leg which has become apparent as his winter coat comes out. It does not appear to be bothering him and is not affecting his movement.
I am not sure of the technical term for this type of sarcoid but it is the type with a "stalk". From what I have read generally this type of sarcoid can be "banded" rather than having the chemotherapy cream applied.
Does banding have to be done by a vet? Do vet's band or do they always opt to use the cream?
Has anyone banded a sarcoid themselves? How did they do it? How successful was it?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by sarahp on Apr 4, 2011 8:11:11 GMT
I had one banded by the vet a few years ago, 2/3, his choice of treatment, which dropped off neatly as expected. It's always possible to do more invasive treatment later if it comes back. As far as I can remember it was the same as castrating a lamb - he may even have used my lamb castrating tool. I don't know if it's legal for a lay person to do it or not on a pony, you'd have to check that, but anyone used to managing sheep could do it in practical terms.
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 4, 2011 8:32:24 GMT
I am sure there are people who do it themselves, but I wouldn't. It isn't just the type of sarcoid, but the location. Whilst you might think it is fine, you never know what blood supply/nerves you might interfere with. If you are not completely successful in your attempts, you also risk making the whole thing worse, for sarcoids have a habit of turning aggressive when messed about with. I believe it is illegal for you to carry out a clinical procedure on your pony.
In addition, the vet will do this very cheaply for you. It will be a call out, or not even that if you go to him and this is a simple, inexpensive procedure.
Therefore I do hope no one on here tells you to have a go yourself.
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Post by knockandy on Apr 4, 2011 8:46:21 GMT
The vet banded one here a few years ago. It was done in consultation with Proff Knot (cant remember how to spell the rest of his sirname, sorry!!) They put the ring on and then applied the Liverpool cream 4 times, I think. It dropped off very neatly and didnt even leave a scar. I was delighted
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Post by Guestless on Apr 4, 2011 9:49:59 GMT
I wouldn't be trying to treat any sarcoid without professional advice. There are so many different types and if you treat it the wrong way, you can make it much worse. Banding is great if it's the right way to treat that particular type, but I wouldn't take any chances.
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Post by sjp on Apr 4, 2011 9:54:25 GMT
I went to a wonderful talk a few weeks ago by Derek Knottenbelt on skin conditions. If anyone gets the chance to go to one of his talks please do. He made everything such good fun and easy to understand. His advice would be don't do any thing yourself, get a good horse vet.
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Post by sarahp on Apr 4, 2011 10:10:34 GMT
I'd always get a vet too for a sarcoid, I was just answering the practical questions posed.
It is legal for a lay person to castrate lambs by banding them up to a week old - or was when I was breeding sheep, it could always have been changed since my day. And very simple to do.
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Post by whp94 on Apr 4, 2011 10:30:21 GMT
One of mine had a small sarcoid on her back leg and I banded it myself with a plaiting band and a few weeks later it dropped off and it's healed nicely now
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Post by sjp on Apr 4, 2011 10:31:16 GMT
Sarah, I'm the last person to talk about sheep!!!! The few Balwen rams we ever had went off to the vets to be 'gelded' like the ponies are done and then to a new home as field cleaners lol I've just kept 12 pet ewes to help manage our fields! Selina
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Post by sarahp on Apr 4, 2011 11:14:43 GMT
Well if you have any more going (not rams though!) let me have them, my small band of field management staff are declining through old age and I'd love some Balwens. I have BWMs, some now crossed with a Zwartble to give more size and hopefully the colour pattern although didn't manage that - just huge black wethers instead of the pretty ones I hoped for. If/when I buy some more in I quite fancy all the different Welsh colour patterns, just for fun. There were some up the road from me that are black and tan like dogs, but no idea what those are called, I must drop in and ask them.
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Apr 4, 2011 11:19:44 GMT
Thanks, I will give my vet a ring - would rather be safe than sorry.
I do know of someone who used to do it herself but I would be concerned about making matters worse but wanted a second opinion from an independent person.
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Post by sjp on Apr 4, 2011 13:25:28 GMT
Here are my girls Sarah! Will remember you when I decide to have some more babies!
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Post by sjp on Apr 4, 2011 13:27:03 GMT
Sorry Ruftytuftyrider, got off on a tangent!
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Post by flo1 on Apr 4, 2011 13:51:01 GMT
One of mine had a small sarcoid on her back leg and I banded it myself with a plaiting band and a few weeks later it dropped off and it's healed nicely now Sorry but that's an incredibly dangrous thing to do without the type of sarcoid being diagnosed first! If it had been a malignant type then your pony would have been in real trouble
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Post by whp94 on Apr 4, 2011 14:13:38 GMT
One of mine had a small sarcoid on her back leg and I banded it myself with a plaiting band and a few weeks later it dropped off and it's healed nicely now Sorry but that's an incredibly dangrous thing to do without the type of sarcoid being diagnosed first! If it had been a malignant type then your pony would have been in real trouble Forgot to say my vet told me to do it! I've also done it before on another pony with no problems
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 4, 2011 17:23:02 GMT
The bands that are used for sarcoids are quite chunky and you need to take flesh surrounding the area as well to ensure you get all the cells. In my opinion, if you wouldn't do something to your child, then you shouldn't do the same to an animal, neither have choice in the matter and at least a child can cry and scream it hurts and their leg is going numb. Some people might band a child's wart making sure they include a lump of their skin I suppose ?
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Apr 5, 2011 12:04:54 GMT
I would never knowingly do anything that would hurt physically or mentally our pony which is why I asked the question in the first place. I am planning to email our vet for their advice as at the moment the lump is difficult to see due to pony still having his winter coat on so not sure if we will have to wait to treat.
I was unsure whether "banding" was something vets did as I had only come across it when the owner of a stables I used to ride at did her own banding. The previous sarcoid pony had needed to be treated by cream which was done successfully.
I have always erred on the side of caution and called the vet out over any concerns about pony because like with children health and wellbeing comes before cost.
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 5, 2011 13:06:12 GMT
Keep us up to date with what happens as it is always useful to hear about experiences. Don't let the flies near it.
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Post by martinetaylor02 on Apr 5, 2011 13:17:31 GMT
sheep docking set :-) thats what our vets use :-)
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Post by beza1969 on Apr 5, 2011 14:22:00 GMT
We had a pony with a sarcoid on his ear. We photographed it & sent the photos electronically to Dereck Knottenbelt (at Liverpool Uni) & he prescribed cream for it which he sent to the vet. Said vet then came & put a lamb band on base/neck of the sarcoid & applied the cream every other day for a week. The area scabbed over & evreything fell off. The band stayed on for all of 10 minutes!! He now has a few tufts of white hair to show for the experience but no recurrence. This sarcoid was on the base of his ear. Total bill was about £350-£400 & covered on insurance.
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Post by secretlady on Apr 5, 2011 16:50:20 GMT
I have banded loads of them over the years using a tail hair tied tightly around it never had a problem drops off without scaring i have also used camarosa on the flat type worked really well to never return either way ooops perhaps you ought to take advice from a vet
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 5, 2011 18:06:18 GMT
Its fine, she has already said she puts her horses first and will be consulting a vet.
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Post by secretlady on Apr 5, 2011 19:16:57 GMT
Will treat S/O sarcastic remark with the contempt it deserves by ignorging it no wonder people do'nt want to comment on threads
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Apr 5, 2011 19:24:59 GMT
our vet (a senior partner in a well respected practice) put a (sheep castrating) ring on a horse of ours with a sarcoid. dropped off perfectly- never to return
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 5, 2011 19:55:21 GMT
I have banded loads of them over the years using a tail hair tied tightly around it never had a problem drops off without scaring i have also used camarosa on the flat type worked really well to never return either way ooops perhaps you ought to take advice from a vet So sorry, perhaps I picked you up incorrectly, it just sounded like you were ridiculing those that take the advice of a vet in favour of having a bash yourself with loads of them, especially when Professor Knottenbelt warns against amateur interference. Anyway, I hadn't realised you were just joking.
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Apr 6, 2011 11:56:47 GMT
Thank you to everyone for your advice.
When I went up to pony last night more of his fur has fallen out and I could see the lump better. Now that I can see it I can see that it has grown and I spoke to the vet on the telephone who recommended it is treated now or left until autumn/winter to avoid the flies.
I think it is the right size to treat so this morning I phoned the vets and arranged for them to come out tomorrow afternoon to give me a diagnosis and start treatment - I am assuming it is a sarcoid but as this is only the second lump I have seen I could be wrong.
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Post by sjp on Apr 6, 2011 21:15:02 GMT
Good luck tomorrow Ruftytuftyrider. As for stuff like camrosa...I know Proff Knottenbelt has a lot to say on that subject!!! Highly entertaining
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 21:26:23 GMT
my specialist equine vet showed me how to band a sarcoid and what to look for, I have done it succesfully since and no more have reappeared, its two years since on one of my brood mares.
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Post by pencwarreponies on Apr 7, 2011 9:46:34 GMT
My mare had a sarcoid - I put sudacrem on it - to stop the flies bothering it ....and she had a foal and they had all gone...I am not sure whether it was the sudacrem or having a foal that got rid of them but sudacrem is worth a try....
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Post by Guestless on Apr 7, 2011 12:38:24 GMT
My mare had a sarcoid - I put sudacrem on it - to stop the flies bothering it ....and she had a foal and they had all gone...I am not sure whether it was the sudacrem or having a foal that got rid of them but sudacrem is worth a try.... My mare had a lump near her eye a few years ago that could have been a sarcoid, but vet wasn't keen to use the cream so close to her eye. She was in foal a few months later and it disappeared - I think pregnancy does often heal things mysteriously.
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