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Post by Oli on Aug 28, 2008 20:12:05 GMT
Is that rule for Olympia definitely coming in next year? (The one where you can only qualify one pony)
There has been alot of discussion about it and alot of people are against it, was just wondering if anyone knew anything more?
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Post by Hayche. on Aug 28, 2008 21:36:42 GMT
Yeahhh Im Pretty Sure It Is.
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Post by clobo121082 on Aug 29, 2008 9:09:47 GMT
Going to be interesting after seeing a few people qualify more than one. I think it is a ridiculous idea. So does it mean that if someone qualified a fell they then cldn't do any more olympia classes on any of the breeds? Surely this is really going to cut down on entries? Also if you are lucky enough to qualify one of your ponies really early on what do you do for the rest of the season?  |
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Post by rulezz on Aug 29, 2008 9:12:41 GMT
What a good idea  we might see some new faces through to olympia  |
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Post by clobo121082 on Aug 29, 2008 9:55:02 GMT
i do agree with that, after starting to do a few olympias this year i do find it quite a closed shop where i can predict who will have something through however isnt olympia about getting the best of the breeds through regardless as to who owns or rides them?
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Post by leo on Aug 29, 2008 10:34:27 GMT
There was a petition going round NPS which people were signing (against the rule) - had quite a few names on it.
If it does come into force, the only good thing that may come out of it is that more 'owners' are forced to ride their own ponies in the classes. If they qualified, the producer would obviously still be able to take a lot of the credit, but it would dispell the whole 'X only won because of who was on board'.
However it does disadvantage those owners who dont ride themselves or have their own rider.
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Post by home produced on Aug 29, 2008 14:14:22 GMT
The competition was set up for breeders, how many breeders ride their own ponies? The few who find it difficult to qualify are making the most fuss. If the professionals boycott the competition it will be the end of it, will the best ponies then get to Olympia, time will tell but what a backward move.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 30, 2008 15:57:23 GMT
No of course they won't! Many of us breeders are too long in the tooth or crocked to ride their own ponies - the spirit may be willing but the body's past it! If they bring this rule in it will prevent breeders from campaigning their ponies as owners, which does remove lots of incentive to breed ponies good enough to qualify.
Surely this competition was set up as an open one to show off the best ponies, I don't see how turning it into a restricted one will keep up the standard. I wonder if someone will set up an equivalent open series elsewhere if the rule comes in that will siphon off the best ponies? Has anyone asked Blue Chip and Olympia what they think of this proposed rule change?
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Post by sophiep on Aug 30, 2008 18:51:33 GMT
i think it is such a stupid idea that nps has come up with i think the person who has thought of this very stupid idea needs shoting.
is there an online petition? if not can we start one up
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Post by Person with the common sense on Aug 30, 2008 18:59:33 GMT
Its simply to stop person X from dumping a producer on their pony because it wouldn't qualify under a normal rider. We all know it happens and most of us have seen it. Just some people blindly pretend it doesn't happen because they are friends of the owner/producer. It will prevent people from sticking producrs such as Sammy roberts on their pony last minute because it will boost their result, which it is quite clear happens very often, no way can all her ponies be clients.
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Post by completelyagree on Aug 30, 2008 21:02:02 GMT
Its simply to stop person X from dumping a producer on their pony because it wouldn't qualify under a normal rider. We all know it happens and most of us have seen it. Just some people blindly pretend it doesn't happen because they are friends of the owner/producer. It will prevent people from sticking producrs such as Sammy roberts on their pony last minute because it will boost their result, which it is quite clear happens very often, no way can all her ponies be clients. Completely agree. I believe the above mentioned person is one of the main culprits. If you put that jockey on a pony, it is 100 times more likely to qualify. The owners know that and it happens alot. However, there are many producers out there who simply ride the ponies they are paid to produce for the season. On these producers, i feel the rule is unfair. |
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Post by Rule maker on Aug 30, 2008 21:10:56 GMT
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Post by hannahlh NLI on Aug 30, 2008 22:42:02 GMT
Its simply to stop person X from dumping a producer on their pony because it wouldn't qualify under a normal rider. We all know it happens and most of us have seen it. Just some people blindly pretend it doesn't happen because they are friends of the owner/producer. It will prevent people from sticking producrs such as Sammy roberts on their pony last minute because it will boost their result, which it is quite clear happens very often, no way can all her ponies be clients. Completely agree. I believe the above mentioned person is one of the main culprits. If you put that jockey on a pony, it is 100 times more likely to qualify. The owners know that and it happens alot. However, there are many producers out there who simply ride the ponies they are paid to produce for the season. On these producers, i feel the rule is unfair. Agreed. To those producers, it is unfair, but it is also giving people with just as quality ponies, but unknown faces a real chance to show their horses off and get fair placings. |
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Post by sarahp on Aug 31, 2008 11:51:44 GMT
One horse home producers whose faces may be unknown are quite capable of qualifying if good enough. Why is it OK to alter rules to suit one section of the competitors at the expense of others? Fair placings is down to the judges.
sophiep - yes here is a petition but I don't think online, it requires real signatures!
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Post by Hannahlh NLI on Aug 31, 2008 12:08:26 GMT
Sarahp - i wasnt saying it that it is ok for them to change the rules to suit one that will not suit everyone, it will make no difference to me whether they do or not. I was just agreeing with the above posts about sticking a producer on last min to qualify the pony....if the pony is good enough then yes it should qualify itself, but we all no that a face is more likely to be placed higher, and yes that is up to the judges to give fair placings but it doesnt always happen unfortunatly. Im sorry if the wording in my above post made out like i was saying otherwise  |
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Post by me again on Aug 31, 2008 12:13:25 GMT
Sarahp - i wasnt saying it that it is ok for them to change the rules to suit one that will not suit everyone, it will make no difference to me whether they do or not. I was just agreeing with the above posts about sticking a producer on last min to qualify the pony....if the pony is good enough then yes it should qualify itself, but we all no that a face is more likely to be placed higher, and yes that is up to the judges to give fair placings but it doesnt always happen unfortunatly. Im sorry if the wording in my above post made out like i was saying otherwise LOL sorry just to add, becuase i can see both sides of the story, that there are many people out there that have qualified 2 or more? that have throughly deserved to qualify such quality ponies, so it will be a huge shame if they cannot do the same again next year, therefore the show losing a large amount of quality animals qualifying??? |
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Post by hellosailer on Aug 31, 2008 13:45:43 GMT
When I started doing the M&M classes and 'Olympia' was new, producers were very rarely interested and M&M's were looked down upon. Now they are the 'in' ponies (are coloureds the latest 'in' thing?) the producers are on them!!!
Not sure if it is all 'facey' or just that those who produce are the best riders and know how to show the pony to the best advantage!!! Probably a bit of both!!
Shame really that these classes have become so cut-throat!! Used to be such fun and I was under the impression that they were started so that adults could show ponies - not to show-off breeders stock.
Personally, I believe the HOYS qualifiers are more fair in that a pony from each section qualifies, although I have no idea why the Welsh get four chances!! After all, there are Sec.A and B New Forests!! And larger Connies!!
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Post by Trot-on on Sept 1, 2008 10:23:58 GMT
The Rule to be brought in by the NPS is a good thing!! IT does give ametures the chance to show a top class pony successfully. If the pony is good enough then it should qualify not be bumped down the line due to producers. The rule will help support producers as then the b**chy compents made about the 'pony on qualified because their riding' it would have to stop! The producers who do olympias dont always just have that to ride, so they could have novices, HOYS or RIHS classes to qualify for before the end of the season. Once qualified they could then produce a pony or two at home until the championship comes around!! And still be kept busy and making money!!  Owners will also have to use jockies who are trying to break through into fulltime production as they dont already have the established connections, so surley its a win for everyone.?? Also many ameuters have just as good a quality ponies as the producers, and yes they may only have the one, but to no that your homebred animal, has qualified for the Olympia championship with an Ameuter makes that pony all the more amazing! The ametures get a chance, the proffesionals could charge a higher fee for riding JUST the pony on the Olympia aswell as having more time to produce more ponies at home or qualify them for the other championships and jockies tring to 'break through' would have to be used if the other producers have been taken and the owners dont have time etc to ride the pony themselves.. |
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Post by Devasted on Sept 1, 2008 16:55:58 GMT
I just cannot believe that they are going to change the most prestigious M&M class in to a restricted class. I hope Olympia and Baileys take it away.
You are all saying that any amateur can qualify and they do most are quite capable. If they are that good what are they worried about. There are a few who obviously know that they cant beat the fab riders and producers who work hard. Perhaps they should take a hard look at how they ride and I am sure some of you may know who I am talkin about.
Producers usually take 2 or 3 for the Olympia classes......... when they have qualified the first one that means they will not be taking anymore. At the AGM it was said by the Treasurer that one of the reasons for this was the drop in numbers competing and loss of revenue. How can this increase the revenue.
I feel sorry for breeders who have their ponies produced, who have probably waiting a lifetime to breed an Olympia pony.
It will be a sad day if this new rule comes in. I hope they get the rules right. They will need to cross the T's and dot th I's on this one or else we could see another Windsor. I can see lots of problems already. Like if someone rides your pony in a championship and qualify - who then rides at Olympia and so on?
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Post by home produced on Sept 1, 2008 18:27:57 GMT
my ponies are totally home produced and i think this rule is stupid. its taken me a while to get there but i am pleased to say i am right up there with the producers and often beat them. Its so much more satisfing.
Taking out the producers will lower the standard of riding and ponies imo.
the rule wont affect me as i shall never have 2 olympias ponies, but when i do compete i want the highest possible competion, it makes winning so much better.
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Post by gaga24 on Sept 1, 2008 22:56:29 GMT
Is that rule for Olympia definitely coming in next year? (The one where you can only qualify one pony) There has been alot of discussion about it and alot of people are against it, was just wondering if anyone knew anything more? how can alot of people be against it? the members voted. |
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Post by About time on Sept 2, 2008 8:41:04 GMT
The last couple of qulifiers are fine examples of how a pony has ended up at the finals because of who was on board and not on merit of the pony. No disrespect to the riders because it’s the judges that are at fault here. The Judges should be judging what is being ridden not who is doing the riding. This rule will make the judges more likely to put the best animal through and not just play safe on a face we hope.
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Post by maybee on Sept 2, 2008 10:42:12 GMT
This happens in all the classes across the board, so why is it just the Olympia being turned into a restricted class then? Are they going to make the Cuddy in to a Restricted class  Whatever next. |
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Post by Guestless on Sept 2, 2008 10:44:15 GMT
I think it will be interesting to see how the qualifiers develop with the new rule - I'm kind of on the fence, not sure if it is good or bad. I do however think it may encourage pony owners to have a go themselves rather than pay for their ponies to be produced because they think they are more likely to qualify that way (and I'm not making comment on whether that view is correct, just that it is a genuine view of many). Maybe it will put the fun back into showing for a lot of people??
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Post by titch on Sept 2, 2008 23:24:43 GMT
Maybe try it for a season and assess the quality of the ponies that qualify. I am sure they will be equally as good!!!
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Post by question on Sept 3, 2008 17:25:26 GMT
The rule is you can only qualify one pony... Does that mean the person who rides the pony in the qualifier has to ride the pony in the final? Question: Say i should break my arm in the middle of the season but my pony is already entered in a couple of upcoming Olympia qualifiers. So i get a friend to ride my pony in these qualfiers for me - not a producer, or a face, just a friend. My pony happens to qualify with my friend... Does she have to ride the pony in the final? Even though i own the animal and would have been riding if it was not for my injury? And then because my friend helped me out by taking the reins for a couple of shows and happened to qualify, does that then mean they couldnt qualify another animal? If this is so, that doesnt seem fair at all! |
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Post by Some people on Sept 3, 2008 19:25:59 GMT
The rule is you can only qualify one pony... Does that mean the person who rides the pony in the qualifier has to ride the pony in the final? Question: Say i should break my arm in the middle of the season but my pony is already entered in a couple of upcoming Olympia qualifiers. So i get a friend to ride my pony in these qualfiers for me - not a producer, or a face, just a friend. My pony happens to qualify with my friend... Does she have to ride the pony in the final? Even though i own the animal and would have been riding if it was not for my injury? And then because my friend helped me out by taking the reins for a couple of shows and happened to qualify, does that then mean they couldnt qualify another animal? If this is so, that doesnt seem fair at all! Maybe you should worry about that when and if it ever happens  |
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Post by littlehorse on Sept 4, 2008 11:32:08 GMT
Going to be interesting after seeing a few people qualify more than one. I think it is a ridiculous idea. So does it mean that if someone qualified a fell they then cldn't do any more olympia classes on any of the breeds? Surely this is really going to cut down on entries? Also if you are lucky enough to qualify one of your ponies really early on what do you do for the rest of the season? Have some fun maybe? |
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Post by viv on Sept 4, 2008 12:44:33 GMT
The competition was set up for breeders, how many breeders ride their own ponies? The few who find it difficult to qualify are making the most fuss. If the professionals boycott the competition it will be the end of it, will the best ponies then get to Olympia, time will tell but what a backward move. If it was set up for breeders how come it is open to all. Also what a negative statment this is. QUOTE If the professionals boycott the competition it will be the end of it, will the best ponies then get to Olympia, time will tell but what a backward move QUOTEMaybe it will be the begining as I disagree that all the best are getting to Olympia. There are many super ponies ridden very well that will never go as the system works at this moment in time. The system 50% of the time favours the riders face not the pony. Sad but very true. |
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Post by diadem on Sept 4, 2008 13:21:25 GMT
IMO the ruling is far more democratic, it gives more of an even playing field for all, that cant be bad can it. I doubt very much there will be any boycotting.
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