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Post by lowerstone on Jun 9, 2012 18:14:09 GMT
When you get a stallion who produces stock (7 qualified R/I for 2012) a Royal welsh champ and HOYS pony of the year. Stands at stud for £300 and no visiting mares! I know times are hard but what do people want!  |
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Post by ker916 on Jun 11, 2012 20:09:32 GMT
your joking - only £300 and still no interest!
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Post by catkin on Jun 12, 2012 7:37:48 GMT
Yes, very odd indeed when you also consider its a section B, so useful for breeding M&M's and hunter ponies/whps. We can thoroughly vouch for the stock's temperaments too!
Maria went to her first two buzzy county shows last week and let's face it the weather was not ideal either! In both cases she behaved amazingly well. All she did when about four four-in-hand's trundled past, was to cock her head to one side as if to say 'well I never'! And, whilst clearly biased, we think she is georgous too!
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Post by phylberns on Jun 13, 2012 12:59:19 GMT
People must be mad Vicky! I can not believe that....now is the time to use the proven sires such as Taliesin and not take chances when the market is like it is at the moment.
I know people are cutting down but we are going to a have a massive void where no quality animals have been bred when the market has recovered and believe me it will recover- it has done before and will do again.
Don't get me wrong I still think too many ponies have been bred for the sake of breeding but I just think you need to be more selective- after all I still know enough people that have put mares in foal this year. I strongly believe you need to be prepared to keep what you breed and should not be counting on selling nevertheless.
Sorry, rant over!
Catkin- I loved Maria she is a super mare and I am not surprised she is doing well! She is a credit to her breeders and you.
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Post by catkin on Jun 13, 2012 14:40:58 GMT
There was an interesting thread a while ago in the 'moaners' area. Basically the premise being that all breeders of welsh ponies should cut down, the good, the bad and the ugly. Worth a look.
Without repeating what was said, for me the main point is of course there are too many ponies being bred, but its still not easy to find what you want when you go looking for youngstock of top quality suitable to ride. So, breeders of quality useful stock must be encouraged to keep going. As you rightly said, phylberns, we will have a massive void, if not careful. No longer is it affordable to many people to breed as a hobby and I do worry that a whole generation of dedicated breeders who have provided us riding people with useful stock for so long, will soon become too old to carry on.
Thank you for your kind comments about Maria. We are delighted with her!
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Post by Jessica on Jun 15, 2012 16:23:52 GMT
I think often it is to do with advertising, I know of a nice, but not truely outstanding sec B stallion that is being used quite a bit, you cannot go anywhere without seeing his photo! ETA: Just out of curiosity I've just tried to find a picture of your boy. So far no luck! When I ask google for your stud name (hopefully it's the right one!) it comes up with an arabian stud in Austrlia... May be worth adding a photo to allhorsepedigree or something  |
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Post by bizzylizzie on Jun 16, 2012 12:26:34 GMT
As a mare owner, the price of the stud fee is not a determing factor in chosing a stallion for me. I breed Connies so they vary from £250 to £500, but the travel costs, keep fees, vet fees, and then associated registration costs DNA & Microchip, make up the other £500 to £1000 (if you are unlucky)! But before i decide if i am going to put my mare in foal, I have to have room for the resulting pony to reside with me until i can sell it. I think you are at the end of a chain, just like in the housing market, that has slowed up dramatically. Youngstock are not selling as quickly as in previous years and so breeders and mare owners have had to cut back to keep their numbers in residence managable. I'm sure the lack of interest is not a reflection of value for money for your stallion.
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Post by catkin on Jun 22, 2012 9:54:18 GMT
Lowerstone, I think you will have the last laugh. 2 Annandale ponies qualified in the 13hh'ers this week. Both coping, in fact thriving in the most terrible conditions! There must be something in this - oh yes, breeding!!
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Post by horsey1231 on Jun 22, 2012 12:05:22 GMT
I couldnt agree more bizzylizzy! its not just the cost of the stud fee you also have to think what if? ? what if something went wrong ?
An example this year we sadly lost our mare she foaled fine and then sadly slipped fell heavy and broke her leg resulting in having to be pts 3 hours after foaling leaving us with an orphan foal this then resulted in buying him subsitute coloustrum and mares milk replacer. tiny rugs to keep him warm, 1 hourly feeds 24 hours a day, we ended up loosing him at 7 days, even though he had been seen by the vet on 3 seperate days!
Call out fees X 4 two of which were a bank holiday
Examination of the pain
pain killers
3 examinations of the foal
different drugs that he needed and drips.
I know that was ^ an exceptional case and very heartbraking for us!
We didnt have a stud fee as we have our own stallion.
but it makes you think.
Swabbing fees
Stud fee
Keep fee
travelling to and from stallion
bloodtest/scannning
feed matainence of a broodmare
and do you have the facilities to run said foal on till you can find him/her a suitable home
you mare having over a year out of work
Its not that people are mad they are being sensible! x
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Post by catkin on Jun 22, 2012 12:58:55 GMT
I don't think Lowerstone is saying people are mad for not breeding. Often sensible reasons - as you point out. But for those that do, its strange when a really proven stallion isn't used
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Post by lowerstone on Jun 22, 2012 16:31:54 GMT
Im over the moon for you Catkin,what a week for us! Makes it all worthwhile.
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Post by phylberns on Jun 22, 2012 21:30:32 GMT
Lovely picture of A. Darcy in H&H this week! Well done!
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Post by bardwellstud on Jun 23, 2012 9:41:34 GMT
and after all that said no one wants to pay a fair price for our ponies they all want them for peanuts when youve had to get them into this world in one piece then !!!!!!! get them to weaning without injury and blemish !!!! then if they dont sell as weaners you have to keep them till they are older and if you keep them to they are 3 then all you are offered is £300 !!! well i wish some one would let me into the secret of HOW TO KEEP A PONY OR HORSE FOR THAT FOR 3 YEARS!!! cos i cant !! we breed for a hobby not a bussiness but it would be so nice to be appriciated for what we breed and show ,ours cost just the same as yours that youve just sold to rob us of ours !!!!!! SO SORRY TO RANT but it makes me so cross xxx
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Post by lowerstone on Jun 23, 2012 10:03:26 GMT
Sorry dont get the last bit, I certainly havent robed anyone! We keep our stallions for our own use if we get a visiting mare,to me that is a bonus and goes towards his keep.We so far have not bothered to sale foals we like to run them on until they are 3yrs. Again if someone phones looking for something I try and help.We find being in the south west getting people to come an look a big problem,which is why in the pst we have taken ponies to Fayre Oakes. So please dont be cross with me!
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Post by lowerstone on Jun 23, 2012 10:05:05 GMT
Should of added "YOU HAVE TO LAUGH" or else....
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jun 23, 2012 17:18:20 GMT
Hey Vicky You should have your own website which will make your business go like bomb, look at Rotherwood Stud who own Topnote, he been covered over 40 visiting mares this year (well that what I've been told ?)
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Post by catkin on Jun 24, 2012 8:01:36 GMT
Good point, maybe promotion is the answer
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Post by lowerstone on Jun 24, 2012 17:53:04 GMT
Mm.. We are under way with it. But the point is the other boys have had visiting mares!
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Post by catkin on Jun 24, 2012 18:33:27 GMT
Ah, v odd!
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jun 25, 2012 10:06:10 GMT
Oh poor Toby !! Perhaps he need an expensive make up from Harrods !!! to make women fancy him more than others, lol. (or maybe strong aftershave,lol)
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Post by catkin on Jun 28, 2012 17:44:31 GMT
... and Horse and Hound prove your point, Lovely Lilly featured this week. Another one of Taliesin's...
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Post by lowerstone on Jun 28, 2012 20:35:23 GMT
Ah brill and Phoenix an Rob Walkers son Sam had a little write up to for Cheshire County too.. Hey Wiltshire Man Toby had a girl arrive last nite, the change in aftershave must have worked!
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Post by phylberns on Jun 28, 2012 22:23:04 GMT
Great Pic of Lilly! I remember seeing her at yours Lowerstone- well done (again!). Give Toby a Pat from me please...
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jun 29, 2012 17:44:54 GMT
Ah brill and Phoenix an Rob Walkers son Sam had a little write up to for Cheshire County too.. Hey Wiltshire Man Toby had a girl arrive last nite, the change in aftershave must have worked! HEE HEE HAW !!!  |
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Post by magpie on Jul 11, 2012 20:31:18 GMT
Lowerstone - we can do a piece on the success of your stud for our native-pony.com website if you would like? It averages 100 hits a day and we are always looking for stories for it! You can email me on celeste_999@hotmail.co.uk if you would like to discuss further. Check it out too. Annandale Darcy is lovely - he is not far from us in Cornwall - he has qualified in the ShP lead rein too last week!
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Post by lowerstone on Aug 15, 2012 19:33:15 GMT
Hey magpie sorry not been in touch,but I will do dont know where time goes at the mo!
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