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Post by leeann on Jul 6, 2012 17:26:41 GMT
On the subject of benefits for those disabled or ill, i had a friend who over 6 years had breast cancer, lung cancer and a brain tumour (R.I.P to her) she received benefits, but she also showed horses at a high level, had her own yard, did all the jobs, drove the lorry etc. Would she too be kicked off benefits by the HG government? She was fully able after all, even though on Chemo one day at a show/mucking out the next. Your friend deserves the help, and I do hope she is ok. There are folk out there who sponge of the government and us good people. They would rather sign on every week because there to lazy to get off there back side and get a job, when there's not a dam thing wrong with them.
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Post by rough deal on Jul 6, 2012 17:45:22 GMT
On the subject of benefits for those disabled or ill, i had a friend who over 6 years had breast cancer, lung cancer and a brain tumour (R.I.P to her) she received benefits, but she also showed horses at a high level, had her own yard, did all the jobs, drove the lorry etc. Would she too be kicked off benefits by the HG government? She was fully able after all, even though on Chemo one day at a show/mucking out the next. Your friend deserves the help, and I do hope she is ok. There are folk out there who sponge of the government and us good people. They would rather sign on every week because there to lazy to get off there back side and get a job, when there's not a dam thing wrong with them. Leann i think the R.I.P kinda gives it away
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Jul 6, 2012 18:39:35 GMT
Sorry to hear about your friend roughdeal, she most definitely fought a lot.
My other is in remission from leukaemia so now how hard chemotherapy hits. At the time she was undergoing treatment she had disability benefit. I also know that there are lots of side effects - my mum has problems with her knees so some days she can do more than others - and I assume your friend was able to show etc when she wasn't suffering the side effects.
I have to say I am amazed she was having chemo one day then showing/mucking out the next - when my mum was having chemo she was in hospital for about a week after the chemo and then when she came home she was too weak to work. I am also pretty sure that she wasn't driving whilst on chemo.
It is difficult with those cases that fall into the grey area as benefits should be aimed at those who are unable to work due to disability. I do not know if benefits work on a sliding scale but maybe if you are unable to work you should get full benefits, if you are able to work part time you get half benefits and if you are able to work full time then you re ineligible for benefits.
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Post by rough deal on Jul 6, 2012 18:49:36 GMT
Indeed she was, she would be in hospital one day and competing at Equifest the next, the strongest woman i have ever had the pleasure of knowing. A true fighter. Left a huge hole in the heart of many, gone away from the thread now, just wanted to slot that in to reply to you. I am sure for a few years of her illness she had a part time cleaning job too. Wonderful lady, anyway back to benefits.
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Post by nia2311 on Jul 6, 2012 22:05:58 GMT
The point of some disability benefits is to SUPPORT that person in being able to do some sort of work - that was the idea of motability etc - if you spent a little benefits money paying for a suitable vehicle, a disabled person could get to work. Same idea for the free bus passes. No-one is saying these benefits should be stopped - quite the opposite. Someone who is ill/disabled but tries or is able to work, SHOULD be supported with top-up or specialist benefits to ensure they have fair access to work.
The issue is with those people who pretend to be ill or disabled. No-one has anything but admiration for people who are ill or disabled who continue to work. My gripe is with people who fake illness or injury, and there are FAR too many of those people. We all seem to know someone with an easily-faked illness/disability, usually related to a bad back. With a condition such as cancer, you cannot fake that - you would supply docs reports etc to prove the condition and benefits are, and should, be paid to such people.
BUT, how do you prove or disprove that someone has a bad back and in pain? You can't. It is easily faked and easy to get a doctor to certify. I have inflammatory back pain which is controlled by anti inflammatory drugs - I would never dream of claiming illness/disability related benefits because I am not disabled. I just have a bad back!!
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Jul 7, 2012 18:57:12 GMT
Agree with Nia's post.
Roughdeal so sorry to hear about your friend, she sounds amazing and there is no question that she was ill and should have received support from the Welfare State.
As Nia says it is the people who claim benefit when they are not ill/disabled.
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Post by Sakaro on Jul 24, 2012 17:38:50 GMT
Well my oh ex wife is on the bennies. She left him btw as she had an affair, and took the 2 kids, she lives on her own in a rented 2 bed property and is a qualified nurse. But loves not having to work as she is so lazy, so this is what she gets,
Housing benefit Council tax paid Child benefit x 2 Tax credit for two kids Csa £400 Free school meals x 2 All the other bennies she can claim for the kids
Thats more than most working people. She has a brand new car. People need a wake up call as to how much these people get btw csa is not taken into account when claiming.
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Post by minty1 on Jul 29, 2012 6:30:15 GMT
someone i know is nearly 50.says she owns 9 ponies,5 of which she has not paid a penny towards their feed.and doesnt clean them out or anything.she steals off her dad.never had a job and smokes and drinks.and makes my blood boil.she actually doesnt own the ponies ,she has put passports in her name and wont give them back.how can she keep all these ponies on that budget?and if she has money from selling ponies surely thats income and she should be declaring it!her dad trying allsorts to remove her,but she wont go.hope she gets benefits stopped.rant over!
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Post by daisy81 on Jul 29, 2012 8:20:53 GMT
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Post by howengold on Aug 4, 2012 18:40:46 GMT
Find it disgraceful that when my son was alive I had to fight for every penny of his benefits and we had to be checked every three to five year to ensure he hadnt suddenly developed in to a 'normal' (please forgive me) human and learnt to walk talk etc and yet a local man we knew was on benefits for years with a "bad back" and who worked on his flash bike most days, went motor biking for long journeys and rallies, even camping but he never got a check! What made it worse was he then pointed out to me that my son was a drain on society!!
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Post by wildnative on Aug 7, 2012 5:02:36 GMT
Could people please stop having a go at people with a "bad back." I have a "bad back." I have osteoarthritis of the facet joints on L4 & L5 lumbar vertebrae, and BOTH sacroiliac joints. I have to live my life around the pain, and have to take 8 x 500mg paracetomol, 4 x 400mg ibuprofen and 8 x 30mg dihydrocodeine every single day for the rest of my life. I also had to have disc surgery due to having a major disc prolapse...BECAUSE of my "bad back". I've been left with permanent nerve damage in my right leg due to my sciatic nerve being severely crushed by the disc prolapse. I was dumped, by text, by my boyfriend of 3 years....BECAUSE of my "bad back". I had to give up dog agility classes with my Staffie...BECAUSE of my "bad back". She was very good, and very fast, but I couldn't run with her anymore I was BULLIED by so called "colleagues" for 4 years at my last job....BECAUSE of my "bad back". I was given Ill Health Retirement from that job last August...BECAUSE of my "bad back". I had my own "made to my specification and measurements" orthopaedic chair, provided by my employer and was on extremely light duties before the IHR. Even after that, I STILL had people b*tching about me "because I ride horses"...and that one came from a horse owning EX friend ! (I pointed out the fantastic work of our UK wide RDA groups and the amazing abilities of our ParaDressage riders to her ). I can't ride bigger/wider horses now...BECAUSE of my "bad back", so now have a New Forest pony as the height/type/length of stride and temperament doesn't excacerbate my pain. I've had to sell my Section D 4yo...BECAUSE of my "bad back" So, as you can see, my life over the last few years has been full of constant knock downs and negatives...BECAUSE of my "bad back" ! YES, I am claiming benefits ! I WANT to work, but if anyone could please point me in the direction of a suitable job which will fit in with my often excruciating pain, somewhere that "colleagues" accept working alongside people with disabilities (YES....osteoarthritis is a hidden disability !!!!! Would people be more understanding if I chopped an arm or leg off so that they can SEE there is something wrong ?), without being critical, judgemental and downright nasty, then I'd be more than happy to oblige. Meanwhile, I'm having to depend on benefits along with the VERY FEW positive things in my life.
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Post by cayo on Aug 7, 2012 8:46:22 GMT
Could people please stop having a go at people with a "bad back." I have a "bad back." I have osteoarthritis of the facet joints on L4 & L5 lumbar vertebrae, and BOTH sacroiliac joints. I have to live my life around the pain, and have to take 8 x 500mg paracetomol, 4 x 400mg ibuprofen and 8 x 30mg dihydrocodeine every single day for the rest of my life. I also had to have disc surgery due to having a major disc prolapse...BECAUSE of my "bad back". I've been left with permanent nerve damage in my right leg due to my sciatic nerve being severely crushed by the disc prolapse. I was dumped, by text, by my boyfriend of 3 years....BECAUSE of my "bad back". I had to give up dog agility classes with my Staffie...BECAUSE of my "bad back". She was very good, and very fast, but I couldn't run with her anymore I was BULLIED by so called "colleagues" for 4 years at my last job....BECAUSE of my "bad back". I was given Ill Health Retirement from that job last August...BECAUSE of my "bad back". I had my own "made to my specification and measurements" orthopaedic chair, provided by my employer and was on extremely light duties before the IHR. Even after that, I STILL had people b*tching about me "because I ride horses"...and that one came from a horse owning EX friend ! (I pointed out the fantastic work of our UK wide RDA groups and the amazing abilities of our ParaDressage riders to her ). I can't ride bigger/wider horses now...BECAUSE of my "bad back", so now have a New Forest pony as the height/type/length of stride and temperament doesn't excacerbate my pain. I've had to sell my Section D 4yo...BECAUSE of my "bad back" So, as you can see, my life over the last few years has been full of constant knock downs and negatives...BECAUSE of my "bad back" ! YES, I am claiming benefits ! I WANT to work, but if anyone could please point me in the direction of a suitable job which will fit in with my often excruciating pain, somewhere that "colleagues" accept working alongside people with disabilities (YES....osteoarthritis is a hidden disability !!!!! Would people be more understanding if I chopped an arm or leg off so that they can SEE there is something wrong ?), without being critical, judgemental and downright nasty, then I'd be more than happy to oblige. Meanwhile, I'm having to depend on benefits along with the VERY FEW positive things in my life. asolutley agree with you hun it really sickens me when people asume that because someone looks ok they are ,i suffer severe chronic pain in all my joints although it is soft tissue tendons ect that are affected also my back several slipped discs as they are worn out and muscle spasms should i do something quite trivial that my body doesnt like leaves me sreaming in agony for days weeeks at a time ,i live on strong pain killers yes i ride a bit cant compete anymore cant lunge or bring more than one in from field ect mucking out takes ages and i suffer for it ,i dont get any sleep due to pain ,i have to get up 2 or 3hrs before i need to leave the house just to be able to dress walk and drive ,but i look fine neighbours who have lived next door for 15yrs had no idea i was ill ,my horses keep me going and the kids are grown up so do all the heavy stuff now ,please dont judge people on what you think you see ,i really could do with a job but i cant find anything i could do day in day out so unless someone has a job that would enable me to come and go as i need do as little or much as i can manage dosent mind me working day and taking rest of week off to recover i have to acept i am unemployable who would employ me if i was honest about my condition ,as i have a hubby i cannot claim anything but i d**n well would if i could
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Post by wildnative on Aug 7, 2012 16:51:04 GMT
Could people please stop having a go at people with a "bad back." I have a "bad back." I have osteoarthritis of the facet joints on L4 & L5 lumbar vertebrae, and BOTH sacroiliac joints. I have to live my life around the pain, and have to take 8 x 500mg paracetomol, 4 x 400mg ibuprofen and 8 x 30mg dihydrocodeine every single day for the rest of my life. I also had to have disc surgery due to having a major disc prolapse...BECAUSE of my "bad back". I've been left with permanent nerve damage in my right leg due to my sciatic nerve being severely crushed by the disc prolapse. I was dumped, by text, by my boyfriend of 3 years....BECAUSE of my "bad back". I had to give up dog agility classes with my Staffie...BECAUSE of my "bad back". She was very good, and very fast, but I couldn't run with her anymore I was BULLIED by so called "colleagues" for 4 years at my last job....BECAUSE of my "bad back". I was given Ill Health Retirement from that job last August...BECAUSE of my "bad back". I had my own "made to my specification and measurements" orthopaedic chair, provided by my employer and was on extremely light duties before the IHR. Even after that, I STILL had people b*tching about me "because I ride horses"...and that one came from a horse owning EX friend ! (I pointed out the fantastic work of our UK wide RDA groups and the amazing abilities of our ParaDressage riders to her ). I can't ride bigger/wider horses now...BECAUSE of my "bad back", so now have a New Forest pony as the height/type/length of stride and temperament doesn't excacerbate my pain. I've had to sell my Section D 4yo...BECAUSE of my "bad back" So, as you can see, my life over the last few years has been full of constant knock downs and negatives...BECAUSE of my "bad back" ! YES, I am claiming benefits ! I WANT to work, but if anyone could please point me in the direction of a suitable job which will fit in with my often excruciating pain, somewhere that "colleagues" accept working alongside people with disabilities (YES....osteoarthritis is a hidden disability !!!!! Would people be more understanding if I chopped an arm or leg off so that they can SEE there is something wrong ?), without being critical, judgemental and downright nasty, then I'd be more than happy to oblige. Meanwhile, I'm having to depend on benefits along with the VERY FEW positive things in my life. asolutley agree with you hun it really sickens me when people asume that because someone looks ok they are ,i suffer severe chronic pain in all my joints although it is soft tissue tendons ect that are affected also my back several slipped discs as they are worn out and muscle spasms should i do something quite trivial that my body doesnt like leaves me sreaming in agony for days weeeks at a time ,i live on strong pain killers yes i ride a bit cant compete anymore cant lunge or bring more than one in from field ect mucking out takes ages and i suffer for it ,i dont get any sleep due to pain ,i have to get up 2 or 3hrs before i need to leave the house just to be able to dress walk and drive ,but i look fine neighbours who have lived next door for 15yrs had no idea i was ill ,my horses keep me going and the kids are grown up so do all the heavy stuff now ,please dont judge people on what you think you see ,i really could do with a job but i cant find anything i could do day in day out so unless someone has a job that would enable me to come and go as i need do as little or much as i can manage dosent mind me working day and taking rest of week off to recover i have to acept i am unemployable who would employ me if i was honest about my condition ,as i have a hubby i cannot claim anything but i d**n well would if i could Thank you cayo Isn't it awful how people take the liberty to be so judgemental ? You take care of yourself hun, and pray that your "judge and jury" don't ever have the misfortune of developing a life changing health condition. I have to check with my GP concerning ANY activities I want to do. I don't have the freedom of choice in that respect anymore. One aspect of my spinal degeneration is called degenerative retrolisthesis - one of my lumbar vertebrae has slipped backwards out of alignment. One wrong move and it's bye bye mobility and continence, hello wheelchair ! I have to exercise to keep my joints mobile....to stop them from fusing together. The best exercise for me, which has been given the OK by my GP, physio and chiropracter, is walking and gentle horse riding. That, along with maintaining an ideal weight, eating a good diet, medically approved stretching exercises, prescribed pain medication, and most importantly...knowing how much is too much, is how I manage MY health condition. So, while I avoid busy places due to the fear of anyone knocking into me and causing me more pain (or worse), you'll still see me out walking, riding my pony and taking her to the occassional show. I had to sell my Section D because although she was an absolute angel to back, handling her on the ground was taking far too much of a risk to my health. She now has a fantastic new home where I'm able to keep in touch, and I'm really looking forward to seeing her out showing next season. Just because I have a "bad back", that doesn't mean that I should sit in the house like a "vegetable" (sorry, I don't mean that to be in any way derogatory). I am very limited in what I CAN do, so please leave me to enjoy a little something in life while I still can. I'm sure that other "bad back" sufferers would agree. Being 100% honest, I actually sometimes wish that I had a terminal illness rather than arthritis....because then I would KNOW when MY suffering would end. I have a long way to go though (my gran lived until she was 98), so please DON'T judge me or others BECAUSE of a "bad back" and having to depend on benefits.
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Aug 8, 2012 21:47:50 GMT
Wildnative and Cayo you both obviously should receive support from the state and I do not think anyone was saying that anyone who has an illness/disability should not receive the appropriate support from the state it was those who claim fraudulently for benefit who should be penalised.
I have a cousin who is in agony 95% of the time but to anyone who doesn't know her they would think she was ok but unfortunately whilst she would deserve support from the state she does not.
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Post by wildnative on Aug 9, 2012 3:40:19 GMT
Wildnative and Cayo you both obviously should receive support from the state and I do not think anyone was saying that anyone who has an illness/disability should not receive the appropriate support from the state it was those who claim fraudulently for benefit who should be penalised. I have a cousin who is in agony 95% of the time but to anyone who doesn't know her they would think she was ok but unfortunately whilst she would deserve support from the state she does not. Yup, it's me again ! 3.22am and I'm wide awake. Woke up with a burning pain in my joints, back muscles in spasm, cramp in my toes and random pins and needles in my right leg, the one in which I have permanent nerve damage. I've just taken some painkillers, 5 tablets in total, but it will take an hour for them to work. First of all, I have read this thread a few times but wasn't going to reply. Seeing several references to "bad back" annoyed me though because how the heck can anyone judge another on seeing them and ASSUMING there is nothing genuinely wrong with them ? THAT is the basis behind the reasons I was BULLIED for 4 years in my workplace !!! Those of you saying "X has a "bad back" but I see them doing x, y and z." HOW on earth do you KNOW there is nothing geniunely wrong ? Do you have access to their medical details ? Having been on the receiving end of the holier than thou JUDGE AND JURY, who THINK they know anything about me then use their assumptions to b*tch about me, BULLY me, tell me to my face, "you are a liability and shouldn't be here." , and "you are a health and safety hazzard." People finding it amusing to make fun of me because I has an orthopaedic chair and question why I was on light duties, (which was a reasonable adjustment under the then DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION ACT (Now the Equality Act). People tampering with and damaging my chair which was then rendered unuseable by me and causing my back pain to increase to the point of resulting in me having to go off sick ! Do people genuinely think that's funny, or acceptable, because I have a "bad back" ? At least HALF of my ex "colleagues" seemed to think so , (approx 400 staff on each shift, 3 shifts - 1200 staff, and I had to change shifts 3 times because of this) ! I don't need it outside of my last workplace either, so please stop judging people. If you think someone is cheating the system, report them to the DWP who will investigate the person, don't b*tch about them . I completely agree with you all re the people who claim fraudulently. Yes, they SHOULD be challenged and made to look for work, and they should have to prove that they are actively seeking work. Copies of application letters, or copies of emails sent to prospective employers. Written records of times, dates, company names, telephone numbers and who they spoke to. Copies of the ads they responded to, etc. Plus any interview appointment letters/emails, rejection letters/emails or whether the companies did or didn't reply to their applications. They should have to attend a weekly interview with a JobCentre employment advisor and show the above information to prove that they are looking for work. If they cannot prove that they are looking, then they should receive a warning letter from the JobCentre saying that they have x days to provide evidence or their benefits WILL be stopped. I have to provide proof that I am unable to work by sending medical certificates from my GP on a regular basis (he was an orthopaedic consultant before he was a GP !). I've had to send in a "Limited Capability For Work" assessment form along with supporting medical evidence (X-Ray and MRI reports). I had to attend a "medical" assessment with ATOS on Saturday just past, and I had to take my medication with me to show them. My name, address, date of birth, GP's name and practice address, plus the medication strength and dosage is all there on each box (boxes of 100 paracetomol, 84 ibuprofen and 100 dihydrocodeine, plus the date they were prescribed !). It wasn't a doctor by the way, it was a nurse ! She would have had access though to my numerous ATOS reports from my last employer, who used ATOS as their occupational health advisors. Those reports go back over 4 years relating to my back condition, the surgery I had and also for the numerous councelling sessions I had to have due to the bullying I received. It was also ATOS who stipulated what I could and couldn't do at work, they recommended my orthopaedic chair and came out to take measurements of me, my workstation and to do a workplace assessment. It was also ATOS who recommended my Ill Health Retirement. I have copies of ALL of my medical reports, including my X-Rays on a CD, chiropractic treatment and appointments, physio referrals and ALL of my ATOS reports from my last job, so YES, I CAN PROVE that I have a "bad back" and how it affects me. I'm currently waiting for yet another physio referral and a referral to see an orthopaedic consultant. My GP supports me 100%. Ah ! The dihydrocodeine is kicking in now and I feel "out of it" ;D
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Post by gillwales on Aug 9, 2012 7:06:26 GMT
Leeann, I totally agree with you. There are many people out there not working but having large hand outs, that is why so many people head for our shores. Where I work one of my colleagues reduced his hours as he would get more money on benefits, his girlfriend had a child by another man, she is in her mid 20's and has NEVER worked. Another unmarried mother is receiving over £500 per month for her child and could afford to pay £70 for a pair of booties! I live in a rural community and if it happens here multiply it for the rest of the country. We are now on the brink of where there are almost has many people claiming benefits has there are that pay taxes, if we don't move now it will be too late!
The only people who should receive help are the elderly and those genuine disabled.
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Post by sometime on Aug 9, 2012 10:04:45 GMT
The biggest problem is all the people who suffer from invisible disabilities. Fybromyalgia, ME, Arthritis, deafness, mental illness, chronic pain as a few examples. The sufferers can do some things and not others it is only 1% that claim fraudulently. The only way to get people off benefits is to make it more attractive to work and to provide proper care to those in need. Maybe a few reality programmes showing the real truth of teenage mums and housing it is not a guarantee of housing to get pregnant. I have personal experience of a baby and its mother couch hopping due to being homeless. Of course there does need to be jobs for the unemployed to go to so job creation should be the biggest priority and putting cash in the hands of the consumer so they can spend and create wealth and need for goods, Reduce imports of home produced good and increase the buy british campaign Maybe a big hike in VAT and abolish income tax could be the way to go
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Post by Milliesmum on Aug 9, 2012 10:48:50 GMT
The benefits system is flawed, and I don't know the answers, but it needs a big shake up.
My OH was recently ill, and despite having worked all his life, paying tax and never claiming benefit, he was entitled to nothing but his statutory sick pay, which was impossible to live on. Surely 30 years of national insurance and tax paid has to count for something?
I do think a lot of people who have disabilities are capable of work, maybe not physical work but maybe a desk job or something less physical. I know companies are obliged under the law to make changes to accommodate disabled people in the workplace with things like access etc., perhaps the government could help retrain people who can no longer do the job they have always done. I'm sure a lot of disabled people would want to work if they could find a job that would be within their capabilities. And if the government could support them in work, financially so that they weren't actually worse off working, then all the better.
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Post by frozzy on Aug 9, 2012 14:18:46 GMT
That is exactly what happened to my husband Milliesmum !! My OH gets abcesses in his groins and between his buttocks. Think its medical name is pyelenial sinus (sp). He has over the years had surgery for them but they always reappear. One winter after visiting the GP in agony he was advised to visit A&E as a matter of urgency to get them drained. That done the doc on duty gave him solpodol 30/500 knowing he was on his own and had a 30 mile drive home. Upshot was he realised he was becoming very dizzy around ten miles from home and in a lot of pain. Passing out after he had slowed the car almost to a stop and a witness driving the opposite way called both ambulance and police. He was readmitted to hospital for surgery the next morning and had huge amounts of his posterior removed, He could not drive the 50 miles to work and as I worked in a care home part time on basic pay and all he got was SSP. His employers did not pay sick pay. I enquired at the DHSS what help we could get as our only income was his SSP which I think around £56 per week. I got about £70 and apart from child benefit which I think was about £28 for the two kids that was it. We were living in a rented house as we were bankrupt, our business gone along with house, cars, the lot. We have worked hard all our days and at the age of 52 we had no money in the bank and no choice about OH going back to work for about six weeks. Never claimed a penny apart from child benefit. When told by an unsympathetic person at the DHSS that we were entitled to sweet FA I asked what we were supposed to pay the rent and feed us with ? Borrow it I was told. Never been so embarrassed in my life. I had to go on my knees to my 80 year old mother and father who I knew had savings that were supposed to comfort their old age and got enough to live on until OH could get back to work, which he did at the earliest opportunity but his wound was not properly healed. IT makes me sick to see the spongers, economic immigrants, and the rest of the population whose only intention is to get us much for as little effort and who have never paid a penny in tax or NI when genuine taxpayers in need of temporary relief get sod all.
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Post by iron hoof on Aug 12, 2012 16:17:30 GMT
I know of someone who claimed their council tax and other benefits as stated they were un-employed, however was getting paid cash in hand working and their OH was also working at the time (but they said wasn't living at home) an ex-colleague reported on them but they lied and got away with thousands
makes your blood boil!
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Post by gillwales on Aug 12, 2012 16:39:54 GMT
Fozzy, I feel for you and your husband, I hope he manages to make a good recovery. Your case is the sort that should be helped
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Aug 12, 2012 22:31:19 GMT
Wildnative I understand that you are in great pain and my post that you re-posted was supportive of both of yourself and Cayo so I feel a little miffed at how you reacted to my post (which was supportive of you and agreeing that you have been unfairly treated at work - no one should be bullied because they are in pain).
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Post by wildnative on Aug 13, 2012 0:49:50 GMT
ruftytuftyrider..sorry I quoted your supportive post to agree with what you said, and I do appreciate that very much. Sorry I got carried away with my post. I was trying to put across responses to other posters commenting on "bad backs", as I experience a lot of prejudice in this way in real life. Just trying to say to others, please don't judge anyone with a "bad back", as unless they have access to the person's medical records, they are not in a position to make judgement. It's not nice to have to live with it, and yes, I do get irritable because of the pain and the prejudice of others, but please don't take my post as a personal matter towards yourself. Sorry .
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Post by huggybear on Aug 13, 2012 18:25:53 GMT
Agree that the fraudulent claimers ruin it for the genuine ones ... A couple of years ago i had an opeartion that went horribly wrong i almost died and ended out woth a colostomy bag for 18 months during that time i was employed but chose to take voluntary redundancy when it was offered to me as the company i worked or at the time were taking steps to dismiss me due to having excessed their sickness policy - i applied for disability living allowance as needed some assistance with day to day activities and struggle walking due to pain in my abdomen caused by the cock up and was turned down when id had recovered sufficiently i sought work and found a job after my 6 month probation was up the employer decided that due to time i had spent in hospital i was unreliable as an employee and terminated my contract i webt straight to the job centre and had found another job within a month !!!!!! I have been on this job now for 18 months ! On the flip side my fiances sister and her husban have NINE kids and have bever worked a day between them in the 8 years my fiance and i have been together i find this disgusting as they sit at home all day smoking drinking and watching tv playing on laptops and xbox respectively not even trying to look for work all the while WE are paying to raise THEIR children !! And fund their habits i guess the double sting in the tail is the house is always filthy as are the children and we cant have children without ivf treatment and theyve made a career out of having kids and sponging off the uk tax payer claiming disability benefits they dont need and any other benefit they feel they are entitled to Sorry for the essay X
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Aug 13, 2012 19:12:47 GMT
No problem Wildnative, sometimes on here with lots of posts it is easy to pick up the wrong end of the stick which I did - sorry.
Having a mother who since being in remission from luekaemia has suffered with back, hip and knee pain to the point that she has blacked out on a number of occasions due to the pain - she has severe reactions to a lot of painkillers so is very limited in what relief she can get - I can fully sympathise with the pain you are in.
It is totally unforgiveable that you were bullied because you are in pain and I hope things improve for you.
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Post by wildnative on Aug 21, 2012 10:02:43 GMT
No problem Wildnative, sometimes on here with lots of posts it is easy to pick up the wrong end of the stick which I did - sorry. Having a mother who since being in remission from luekaemia has suffered with back, hip and knee pain to the point that she has blacked out on a number of occasions due to the pain - she has severe reactions to a lot of painkillers so is very limited in what relief she can get - I can fully sympathise with the pain you are in. It is totally unforgiveable that you were bullied because you are in pain and I hope things improve for you. It's okay I'll often read posts over several times before I reply as sometimes I misinterpret the way in which the poster has come across. We're only human after all ! Here's a good one ! I took my pony out to her first ever show on Sunday. My friend asked for a leg up on to her horse and without thinking, I tried. I couldn't do it because of the pain in my back and she got very nippy with me about it ! It doesn't help that when I gave a push, all I felt was the dead weight of a "not lightweight" person who wasn't making any effort to spring up into the saddle with a BIT of assistance. It's like she expected me to push her full weight up into the saddle ! I did feel useless for a few minutes, as leg ups were something I have always been good at, but then thought...Hang on, you weren't even trying but expecting me to lift your full weight ! She will have to teach her horse to stand still so that she can get on from either the ground or a suitable makeshift mounting block ! I spent the entire day yesterday with burning pain in my SI joints, All because of the leg up that wasn't
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Post by parsnip on Aug 28, 2012 13:56:11 GMT
I have no issue with those in genuine need being supported - certainly those with children or disabilities. i work full time, have 4 children and my husband is often working away for weeks on end - it's flaming hard being a working parent. I don't begrudge those who have children and cannot find jobs that are flexible enough or provide enough money to cover their childcare costs.
However, it does irritate me when young people who have no ties or responsibilities aren't more active in getting jobs. I moved to this country from Ireland when I was barely 18 to come to theatre school. As a 'foreign' student my mum had to cover my fees & there was no money left over for living expenses. I got 2 jobs within 48 hours of being in the country - not great, fulfilling jobs (working in a theatre and a fast food outlet at a train station) but I was self-supporting. i think there are too many young people whose expectations of work are strange - maybe they've been watching too much X factor or they have not had any sensible advice while at school. maybe they're just lazy!
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Post by gillwales on Aug 31, 2012 17:48:34 GMT
parsnip I fully agree with you
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Post by hs on Sept 24, 2012 18:11:13 GMT
I can't see how someone could afford to keep 5 horses and a lorry on unemployment benefit alone which is £70 a week and that has to cover food, electric and gas bills and transport. If you are a couple and both are unemployed then you would get £111 between you.
I imagine those on unemployment benefit who appear to be living a life of luxuary either have financial support from friends or have some other income, or have taken out bank loans or using credit card to fund such a lifestyle.
Incapacity benefit is more at about £100 a week and you can get extra if you need help in the home or have limited mobility.
I do think with the high costs of childcare and transport it is often not worth single parents going back to work unless it is a high paid job. Several of my friends have young children and the costs of childcare for children under the age of 3 is huge, one of my friends has two children in nursery and it was costing £100 a day add to that the high transport costs of getting to work if you need to either drive or use public transport and it was costing her nearly £600 a week just to be able to get to work. Until the costs of childcare and transport fall or companies offer more family friendly working hours or home working it will can be very costly for parents to be at work.
The minimum wage for many is not a living wage with the ever increasing cost of accomodation and transport the end result for many is that it is not profitable to go to work unless you look at it as training with an opportunity to get promoted.
Yes there will be people who don't want to work for various reasons but the majority would work if it was profitable and would give them a higher standard of living.
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Post by dsmum on Sept 30, 2012 6:58:45 GMT
I work in the NHS and I am appalled by the number of horsey people who are on disability benefits and own and ride horses. My instructor asked me to help out a couple of girls last winter whose horses were struggling in the snow. The came to my yard and stayed a few months. They then told me they were both on disability for back problems......both showjumped their horses and humped bales around and so on. I gave them notice as I could barely bring myself to look at them but waited until the winter was over so as not to harm their horses (two each!).
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