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Post by kellymarks on Jul 15, 2012 20:14:04 GMT
I am trying to do some voice overs for the H & C programme on showing. It would be really helpful to get some advice/opinions if anyone had time? I'm concerned whether I need to put things in real laymans language - you or I may say we're looking for a horse that's moves straight - but a novice might think that means he shouldn't bend his knees?!? So: The steward has already brought round his measuring stick so we can prepare the correct length of stirrups for the judge. To become a show judge one must first ...  The judge rides your horse and the winning horse will most likely be the one that ... Your horse has to ‘stand up’ for the judge. All 4 legs should be visible from each side and the judge is checking for a build of horse that would carry him or hunting for half a day with no blemishes caused by bad conformation ... In the ‘trot up’ the judge is looking for ... |
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Post by kellymarks on Jul 15, 2012 20:14:52 GMT
Sorry - I'm not sure I meant all those weird faces!
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Post by jebeth on Jul 19, 2012 13:15:49 GMT
The judge needs to see you (assuming they are a friend ). To help the judge, hold the horse's head high in the air so you are visible as you walk round.
Make sure your horse stands like a rocking horse with its back legs stuck out behind it. This will show you are expert in teaching it to stand in a way which disguises anything which might show up if it stood square.
The judge will not want to ride your horse as it is unlikely that he has ever ridden.
Please read either sex for 'he'.
You have won with the weird faces. Well done!
J
Sorry, I know this won't help your H & C query in any way at all but I enjoyed writing it!
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Post by ladywell on Aug 18, 2012 17:40:18 GMT
Love the weird faces!
I do think everything should be put in 'laymans' terms as you have to cater for every level - the more knowledgeable will understand why! I remember some years ago a 'novice owner' friend came out of the ring with a riding pony youngster (judge was Tom Watchorn). He had told the pony was nice but had too much knee. She asked if we thought her pony had big knees!! ;D
I think that one thing should be stressed for novice showing folks is that you have only a few personal minutes in front of the judge so you have to make the best of them. Also when you are standing in line (whether in hand or ridden) never take your eye of the ball - the judge will frequently look back down the line to compare!!
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Post by gillwales on Aug 18, 2012 17:45:11 GMT
so now I am being thick but what is H and C ??
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 18, 2012 17:46:57 GMT
You need to first identify the class the judge is judging before you go any further, I am presuming its a hunter class if so what weight?
I always wonder why someone with no background or knowledge is asked to give a voice over for something they dont understand, it just confuses the public surely?.
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Post by huggybear on Aug 18, 2012 19:43:28 GMT
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Post by huggybear on Aug 18, 2012 19:45:33 GMT
You need to first identify the class the judge is judging before you go any further, . Would think its the heavy weight hunters as Kelly has been trying to qualify Harry for HOYS and the last programme showed Harry in a HW class xx |
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 19, 2012 10:38:27 GMT
I think I saw a bit of that, the concepts of these programmes are very good, but they are to the most lacking in content and delivery .
Perhaps it may be a good idea to put kellymarks alongside a judge at a show so she can hear and see just what does happen in a class, it would be very educational for her.
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Post by sally1 on Aug 19, 2012 19:14:58 GMT
so now I am being thick but what is H and C ?? I presume Horse & Country TV. |
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 19, 2012 19:48:20 GMT
I always wonder why someone with no background or knowledge is asked to give a voice over for something they dont understand, it just confuses the public surely?. That's rather a rude assumption don't you think? Just because KM doesn't come on here enlightening us with her knowledge on showing doesn't mean it isn't there, she is just known for her expertise in other fields. |
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 19, 2012 20:00:08 GMT
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 20, 2012 6:28:18 GMT
I always wonder why someone with no background or knowledge is asked to give a voice over for something they dont understand, it just confuses the public surely?. That's rather a rude assumption don't you think? Just because KM doesn't come on here enlightening us with her knowledge on showing doesn't mean it isn't there, she is just known for her expertise in other fields. What other fields ?, and no its not rude , just a question. |
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Post by sjw87 on Aug 20, 2012 6:38:30 GMT
That's rather a rude assumption don't you think? Just because KM doesn't come on here enlightening us with her knowledge on showing doesn't mean it isn't there, she is just known for her expertise in other fields. What other fields ?, and no its not rude , just a question. Try googling her name ;-) Sent from my ST18i using proboards |
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Post by eskvalleystud on Aug 20, 2012 17:10:49 GMT
jeanslater, I am really surprised you do not know what fields Kelly Marks is blooming fantastic in!!! Where have you been hiding the last so many years??!!
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 20, 2012 17:26:06 GMT
I've never been big into IH , but would offer Miss Marks a challenge in order to convince me.
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Post by xxshowponyxx on Aug 21, 2012 8:19:03 GMT
I've never been big into IH , but would offer Miss Marks a challenge in order to convince me. Why on earth would she want to convince you? |
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 21, 2012 8:23:32 GMT
LOL totally agree showpony!!! Why on earth does Kelly Marks need to convince you?
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Post by not all impressed on Aug 21, 2012 12:53:49 GMT
Just because alot of people like KM's ways, techniques etc, i'm sorry to say that we are not ALL impressed. Nor are we all impressed with Monty, who i presume is the chap KM works with, or did.
Having watched certain videos and documentaries, i am still not that impressed. Sorry. I for one am not impressed by the use of only one rein on a pelham, on the bottom ring that KM uses. Nor am i impressed by half of the stuff that comes out of Montys mouth, so maybe, just maybe Jean slater needs convincing. We are not sheep and we all have our own opinions.
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 21, 2012 13:57:22 GMT
I would need convincing, to be sure of that. We all have our specialist subjects or at least I'm assuming so, I've never been much into natural horsemanship so I know nothing of it, just bits that I have watched on the box, which didnt really inspire me , now I would be impressed if ms KMor someone with claimed similar talents could tackle one of my youngstock and it prove successful - no violence and certainly no pelham, always one with an open mind thats me.
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 21, 2012 13:58:57 GMT
LOL totally agree showpony!!! Why on earth does Kelly Marks need to convince you? ganging up again ladies I see |
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Post by gillwales on Aug 21, 2012 14:31:03 GMT
so now I am being thick but what is H and C ?? I presume Horse & Country TV. Ah now I understand why I did not know, we do not get that where I live lol |
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Post by xxshowponyxx on Aug 21, 2012 16:50:11 GMT
My point was that it is not up to KM, or anyone else to convince anyone of the benefits, or otherwise, of natural horsemanship.
It is merely another school of thought which has worked for some and not others. If jeansalter is not 'big into IH' it is her prerogative to stay that way. If you are 'not impressed' then so be it.
Alternatively if anyone wishes to know more the information is out there for them to discover for themselves.
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Post by gillwales on Aug 21, 2012 16:54:56 GMT
Just because alot of people like KM's ways, techniques etc, i'm sorry to say that we are not ALL impressed. Nor are we all impressed with Monty, who i presume is the chap KM works with, or did. Having watched certain videos and documentaries, i am still not that impressed. Sorry. I for one am not impressed by the use of only one rein on a pelham, on the bottom ring that KM uses. Nor am i impressed by half of the stuff that comes out of Montys mouth, so maybe, just maybe Jean slater needs convincing. We are not sheep and we all have our own opinions. I agree, I watch several documentaries, I prefer the old fashioned british way that takes time and allows a youngster to build up muscles, fittness and confidence. |
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Post by huggybear on Aug 21, 2012 19:02:07 GMT
Not really sure how any of these negative posts really answer the original question to be perfectly honest
So you dont like Monty and Kellys methods ...... So dont watch it / use them no one is forcing you to
Many people in the WORLD do, the QUEEN of our country included!
I for one think their methods have a place in equestrianism today and look forward to seeing Monty and Kelly again at myerscough in October
ETA
Kelly came on here to ask for opinions and advice about showing not a bashing for her methods of horsemanship and think on reflection some of the responses have been quite harsh to put it mildly
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 21, 2012 20:17:46 GMT
Well said Huggybear! After all the original post was asking on opinions how best to put the point across to the general public which is quite refreshing for a high profile professional to be consulting the "masses". I suppose that emphasises the difference between a communicator(who listens) and a dictator(who must be obeyed!)  |
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Post by huggybear on Aug 21, 2012 20:30:54 GMT
^^^^^^^ wheres the like button |
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Post by suspicious on Aug 24, 2012 14:58:20 GMT
JS the fact that you word 'tackle' one of your youngsters says it all really, if a youngster has to be tackled and the youngster being a challenge then maybe you shouldn't have them if your expertise obviously does not lie there - also from what I read you aren't open minded - its your opinion or none - a good horseman or woman has an open mind and doesn't stuff their opinions in a LOUD RUDE OBNOXIOUS VOICE down ones throat
Perhaps before you learn some proper horse skills you should try some people skills as you must live a horrible existence with an iron rod up your backside
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Post by poor foally on Aug 24, 2012 18:51:48 GMT
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 24, 2012 18:56:47 GMT
Cruel taking a 4 week old foal away from it's mother and locking it in a stable.......
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