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Post by diane on Sept 19, 2012 14:05:10 GMT
This is such a sad thread and so many of us have experiences to share. My old girl went last November. Vet injection at home (she was with OH and daughter in law) I sat in the car much to my shame . Both have said they could not deal with that again and we would now go for humane gun....hopefully not again for a very long time. She was collected by our local dead stock service who were waiting for the call and came immediately. I too could not watch her loaded on the lorry. Thinking of you OP at this very difficult time for you.
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Post by hairys on Sept 19, 2012 14:28:31 GMT
I think that sending your horse to the hounds is a good choice and definitely one i will consider (hopefully not in the near future) and it keeps your horse "in the sport" so to speak. Unless of course you dont supoort hunting.
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Post by b on Sept 19, 2012 15:14:01 GMT
I think that sending your horse to the hounds is a good choice and definitely one i will consider (hopefully not in the near future) and it keeps your horse "in the sport" so to speak. Unless of course you don't support hunting. As I said in my previous post I chose Howlets wild life park, I did want to call the hunt, but my 2 children were opposed to the hunt, even though we always hunted. I was also in your position when my boy went to Howlets so I do feel for you. When money is in short supply we have to do things that are best for us. What ever your choice and I think the hunt is worth a call, I'm sure the 3rd party will be thoughtful and professional. To have someone come out to your yard is so much less stressful for all concerned. My thoughts are with you
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Post by overtired on Sept 19, 2012 16:07:55 GMT
My husband took out old Cob stallion to Turners and I can't speak highly enough of them. They kept to the appt and there was no waiting around and before he got back to the lorry they were there with his headcollar. They don't have any conception of where they are going, in fact he thought he was there to cover some mares. I would recommend them, but I just couldn't take them there myself. I've held them at home and they have been done via injection and I find this OK as well. You are making the right decision and I really do admire you for that. I hope all turns out well for you.
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Post by mayhem on Sept 19, 2012 16:15:26 GMT
I have an old gelding that i can no longer keep and an old mare that has been his companion for the last 2yrs. At their ages i am not even contemplating trying to find homes for them so am having them put down. I am going to let them go together but cost of vet coming to put them down and then have them taken away is more than i can afford. I have been told to take them myself to Turners but have looked them up and seen a blog which says they don't do it straight away and the though of them being there waiting sometime is making a difficult decision even harder. has anyone ever dealt with Turners and what was your experience? Would be kinder not to take them, and have it done at home and let the hunt take them. I do feel for you, I think it's heart breaking. So sorry.
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Post by sageandonion on Sept 19, 2012 16:18:52 GMT
That is very expensive, my own vet doesn't charge anything like that but it will vary I am sure. That being the case, contact the local hunt and they will come to you and horses can pass on from their own home.
Obviously I didn't know your financial predicament when I made my initial suggestion and I am sure if you explain things to the hunt they will do what ever they can with regard to the cost.
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Post by lillicob on Sept 19, 2012 21:26:32 GMT
Around here (talking 2 years ago) it cost a lot more than £70 for the vet to inject my mare.
Turners will come to you, we paid £100, they came put her down and took her away. Worth thinking about as i can understand that the last journey taking them would be very hard. In the not to distant future we are going to have to make the decision with our old mare.
You are doing the right thing, i just wish more people who are advertising oldies thought the same way.
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Post by honeypot on Sept 19, 2012 22:53:47 GMT
The last time I rang my local hunt it was £80 to come out and dispose of them, another local hunt you have to take them to the kennels. I am a coward so I would spend the money so I wouldn't have the journey. Which ever way they go it will be quick and far harder for you than for them.
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Post by ladywell on Sept 21, 2012 15:19:53 GMT
OP what a very brave decision you have made. I would go for the local hunt kennels - they are very professional - done without fuss. I do feel that shooting is quicker and more humane than injection. If you decided to travel them to Turner's you will just prolong things for yourself. Do make sure that you have someone supportive with you. My thoughts are with you. XX
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Post by Sam on Sept 22, 2012 7:38:12 GMT
I'm having an old mare (27) done this weekend, local hunt is coming out and then she being buried, will cost £20 as they leaving her with me. Used to take horses for people to Potters but all mine are done at home.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 22, 2012 19:29:28 GMT
The injection if done properly is very quick. Where it goes wrong is if a cannula is not used or the horse has a co morbidity whereas the anaesthetic doesn't get to the heart quickly. Personally I would always have the injection. Witnessed both methods and still prefer the injection. So sorry for your predicament. Not nice however they go
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Post by suecando on Sept 27, 2012 14:09:55 GMT
I Have dealt with Turners and also know them personaly .Ring and make an appointment to take them there , it will be alot less stressful on you than having them done at home, Turners are human and have horses themselves so understand your situation completely hope this helps .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 14:53:15 GMT
Having seen the injection go wrong because the horse was to fit i would never have it done again, its in no way instant, and it the animal is very sick it takes even longer. To see your horse, waiting to die, trying to breathe and it cant as its lungs are shutting down, trying not to fall to the ground when inevitably thats where he will end up. hearing him gurgling. never again. horrific as a gun may be its d**n quick seen cattle done many times, its over in seconds. Your very brave and i hope it all goes to plan whateve you decide. Ive heard very good things about turners, i also reccomend brent carter but im not sure how far he travels.
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Post by mf on Sept 27, 2012 15:14:04 GMT
The last time I rang my local hunt it was £80 to come out and dispose of them, another local hunt you have to take them to the kennels. I am a coward so I would spend the money so I wouldn't have the journey. Which ever way they go it will be quick and far harder for you than for them. I am not near to you so no experience of turners. our hunt will come out or you can take them there. I took an old showjumper to the hunt yard and he thought it was marvellous as thought he was going hunting when he heard the hounds, pricked his ears right up and danced around. they put him down in their paddock and were very sympathetic. It was free as I'd taken him there. I have had one by injection (circumstances meant this was only option) and one by the vet with humane killer. All have been fine but the injection was very expensive as you have to pay for disposal as well as vert fees etc. Our hunt charges £70 to come out or to remove a horse after the vet has been but wont come on weekends. you have made a very brave and courageous decision and I wish more people were like you. I hope it all goes ok for you.
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Post by feelforyou on Sept 27, 2012 16:51:38 GMT
I have had the injection option and my vet promised nothing awful would happen. He has been treating my animals for over 20yrs and was as good as his word. It is distressing seeing such a large animal collapse to the floor but thats exactly what happened and all over
I have also had the hunt come out from some 20m away, very kind on the phone, professional, infact I left them to it. I can`t remember how much it cost but it wasn`t a huge amount. This was all for elderly ponies at the end of their lives
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Post by thedunthing on Sept 27, 2012 16:57:47 GMT
I have had a few go by injection and each time it has been VERY quick, almost instantaneous, and very peaceful. Never an easy time though, whichever means you choose.
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Post by Louise Dixon on Sept 27, 2012 18:43:07 GMT
Agree with above posts that the OP is being very brave and sensible. Different hunts have different ways of dealing with horses ready to end their lives, depending on the facilities at the kennels. I have also dealt with Turner's and found them very professional.
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Post by armada on Sept 27, 2012 19:01:53 GMT
Its always a terrible decision to have to make, whatever the circumstances, all ours over the years have gone to the hunt, I feel happier sending them there, and feel like I am giving them the best send-off with hound song ringing in their ears. We do seem to have a problem now in this particular area with hunts no longer taking fallen horses (or incidentally still on the hoof). Nearly two years ago I had to have my beloved Warleigh mare destroyed, two packs on enquiry through friends with long connections to both packs failed to get her in, and I rang another friend on the off-chance he could possibly help with a third pack, luckily he was able to get her, and star he was, came and collected her for me to save me further anguish. They are prioritisng fallen farm animals before horses. We have a very reputable knacker a mile or so up the road, but I just could'nt face the thought of her being fed to the lions at Port Lympne, mostly as I cant abide the Aspinall family, nor am I a fan of caged wild animals so it was more a case of ethics than anything else really.
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Post by Sam on Sept 27, 2012 20:18:10 GMT
The hunts arent fussed on feeding horse as it gives the hounds the runs hence they prefer farm stock.
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Post by charliefox on Sept 28, 2012 13:12:28 GMT
Really admire you for addressing such a difficult situation. I would say use your local hunt - I have used various hunts over the years and have always had a professional and sympathic approach - I prefer the fact they are pts at home. I have never used Turners but once many years ago I took a mare to Potters for a friend , yes the staff there were professional but I still found the experience very traumatic.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 30, 2012 17:01:57 GMT
Having seen the injection go wrong because the horse was to fit i would never have it done again, its in no way instant, and it the animal is very sick it takes even longer. To see your horse, waiting to die, trying to breathe and it cant as its lungs are shutting down, trying not to fall to the ground when inevitably thats where he will end up. hearing him gurgling. never again. horrific as a gun may be its d**n quick seen cattle done many times, its over in seconds. so sorry you had a traumatic time. Its not true that the fitter they are the worse. To be honest, by the time they hit the ground, they are unconscious, the rest is reflex However, I have seen numerous horses done both ways over the years and still prefer the injection. Its personal choice at the end of the day and I know whcih way I would want mine to go.
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Post by viking on Oct 1, 2012 12:23:27 GMT
Having seen the injection go wrong because the horse was to fit i would never have it done again, its in no way instant, and it the animal is very sick it takes even longer. To see your horse, waiting to die, trying to breathe and it cant as its lungs are shutting down, trying not to fall to the ground when inevitably thats where he will end up. hearing him gurgling. never again. horrific as a gun may be its d**n quick seen cattle done many times, its over in seconds. Your very brave and i hope it all goes to plan whateve you decide. Ive heard very good things about turners, i also reccomend brent carter but im not sure how far he travels. I share your thoughts and experience loulabelle. The bullet is quick, the horror of the prolonged death by drug, remains with you forever.
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Post by honeypot on Oct 1, 2012 19:51:22 GMT
As with all things there are experts in the field. I had my old TB PTS this time last year by injection and he dropped so quickly you would have thought he had been shot. The experienced equine vet told me to stand out of the way and discribed exactly what would happen, if he was not dead( heart still beating) when he hit the floor he certainly was not aware and made no attempt to breath.
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Post by Ruth Thacker on Oct 3, 2012 13:03:31 GMT
Have dealt with lethal injection situation for my friends horse, and I wouldn't choose it for my own. Hunt definately my choice, they're gone before they hit the ground. In their own comfort zone, they know nothing. If you want two done and want them to be together till the end, they'll send two guys and it will be done simultaneously. Mine charge £100 for a horse, £60 for a pony. Cannot fault their service, always within hours (or less) than the phone call. If you're near Turners, you must have several hunts in your area, hope this helps.
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Post by jinja on Oct 14, 2012 14:08:01 GMT
If you can use a hunt please do so. Turners may be very good at it, but I went with a friend and her horse and it is something I will never forget. My friends horse was put in a stable with a haynet all very nice, but when the time comes to go to the room were they are put to sleep, I am sure they are very scared. It may have changed now but it would be far kinder to do them at home. I feel so very sorry that you are in this position.
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Post by flo1 on Oct 15, 2012 12:25:26 GMT
I hope I am as brave as you when the time comes.
Well done for putting your animals welfare first, as someone else has mentioned too many people advertise their animals 'free to good home' because they're not brave enough to face such a difficult decision. (((HUG)))
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Post by Lizapeterakovic on Oct 15, 2012 13:56:46 GMT
I have been in the same situation having lost our grazing a few years ago I decided to have our remaining 2 ponies PTS rather than pass them on at 18 & 19 and worry what had happened to them.
I have had all of mine shot by the head of carnivores at Howletts Zoo. ( our local Hunt were unable to assist due to, I believe some issue with Defra).
Although it was distressing having 2 PTS on the same day when they were not injured or sick, I can sleep well in the knowledge I know what has happened to all my horses and ponies.
It is quick, efficient and after a family members horse not succumbing to the injection,( the vet was not licenced for a fire arm) the vet running out of drug and having to cut an artery to let the horse bleed out, I would choose the bullet every time.
I have also seen a horse that had survived Hyde Park bombing being sent live by his new owner ( when she had had enough of him!) to an abattoir!
At home where they are comfortable and relaxed, at a difficult enough time for all concerned, has got to be the best place.
Well done on making this hard decision, it is the right thing to do and you will in time take comfort from knowing you did right.
Best wishes
Liza Rakovic
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Post by -Jo on Mar 12, 2015 10:59:17 GMT
Yes Turners are very professional. I have taken a friend's horse - so that she could say her goodbyes in the paddock and she did the same for me when the time came. Appointment made ( leave in plenty of time they are not easy to find) - horse unloaded - a man took him away and less than 5 mins later his headcollar came back and the job was done. No stress or unpleasantness. Well done for making this brave decision. Hello there, was just wondering if you had a contact number for turners? have read a lot a forums today and would like to contact them directly to ask a few questions as you said you had dealt with them was hoping you could help me? Kind regards x
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Post by m1hht on Mar 12, 2015 12:50:50 GMT
The situation at Turners has changed. Please don't use them. I think they aren't allowed to kill any more and they just collect and then them to be put down. They were under investigation for animal cruelty.
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Post by fatcob on Mar 12, 2015 23:49:57 GMT
Am afraid turners is no more they were investigated for cruelty and closed down
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