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Post by sometime on Jan 15, 2013 16:54:39 GMT
I know for certain that some breeders of cockerpoos breed from father to daughter matings, dont health test and use the pups to make money I also know of labrador breeders who dont health check and found that they couldnt sell puppies from unchecked adult decided to breed labradoodle instead as no one bothered about their health checks. Please note standard poodles have as bad if not worse hip scores than labradors. So cross bred puppies do not have hybrid vigour
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Post by sarahp on Jan 15, 2013 19:20:19 GMT
I knew someone years ago who got a lab x golden retriever on health grounds. It had really really bad hip displasia.
I'm sure there are some responsible breeders of crossbreds, but it's up to the buyer to make sure. If you take on a rescue or unwanted dog for not a lot of money, at least you would go in with eyes open, it's those who pay a lot of money for a cross in the mistaken impression that it will have no health problems that could be being done big time.
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Post by B_31 on Jan 15, 2013 20:42:45 GMT
Yes Tralala, all I wanted to know where risks with breeding!! i think the bottom line is if your prepared you could possibly loose your family pet then good luck because it does happen no matter how careful we are i dont agree with purposefully breeding crosses unless full health tests are done (even then im a bit :/ as its sometimes for the stupid name) and by health tests i means hip scores etc but least your asking OP before breeding
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Post by nia2311 on Jan 15, 2013 21:52:36 GMT
Tallulah, I think you need to ask yourself some questions before deciding, and base your decision on that.
1) Why do I want to breed pups from my pug? 2) Can I afford the veterinary fees involved - consider potential complications in the pregnancy or delivery, health checks for all pups (could be many), plus worming and possibly first vaccinations, plus after-care for all dogs. 3) Can I afford all vaccinations for pups should I not be able to sell/home all pups before vaccines are due? 4) Do I have an appropriately sized, quiet place in my home for the birth and subsequent days? 5) Am I able to provide a home for all puppies in the long term, including all feed, health costs, socialisation, training etc. should I be unable to sell/home them? 6) Will I be able to cope with the potential death of my pug, and/or pups?
I can't think of any more. Personally, I would not breed from a dog because I believe there are enough already in the world, but it is clearly your choice and no-one can say you are right or wrong. I hope you are able to carefully consider what you want to do, going forward. Just to be clear, there is no reason for your bit*h to have a litter before being spayed - that is a bit of an old wives tale.
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Post by ladywell on Jan 15, 2013 21:57:38 GMT
Well said Nia!
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Post by gillwales on Jan 15, 2013 22:00:24 GMT
tallulah I think you have made a wise choice for 2 reasons, puppies are hard work and you will need to be there, also, personally, I think single dogs make better companions. enjoy your little girl
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Post by idalia on Jan 16, 2013 10:56:47 GMT
I couldn't have put it better myself Nia2311. Especially agree with your last paragraph. I've owned and shown dogs for 30+yrs and I've never had a litter. I would feel responsible for any pups I brought into the world for their entire lives and the breed I had for most of that time has big litters. I would reiterate that there are NO health benefits to a b*tch having a litter before being spayed. Also friends will often say they would like a pup from your planned litter, but when it becomes a reality they may well change their minds for a variety of reasons... Of course it is your choice whether to have puppies or not and I wish you well if you do
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Post by Philippa on Jan 25, 2013 7:54:34 GMT
Ok. Pug owner and breeder here. I won't stand on my soap box for long but please folks this isn't a pug she is looking to breed from its a mongrel. Sorry but its true.
Off soap box now
I bred my pug as I show, I wanted another puppy for the ring. Unfortunately there was only one girl in the litter.
My girl had 6 puppies, all self whelped ( we were sooooo lucky). Within hours we were hand rearing 2 of the pups. Every 2 hours, we didn't go to our beds for 4 whole days. We lost the 2 pups which we were hand rearing, we knew we would but you have to try. My girl then rejected a third pup. Off we go again, bottle feeding every 2 hours. We moved a cage up to our bedroom and kept him with our min pin. She washed him, cuddled him and cleaned his toilet as her own. Had it not been for her he would have died I'm sure. So 6 weeks down the line he weaned himself off the bottle.
He was much tinier than the others but a fabulous character. The other pups all left at 8 weeks (again we were lucky, my friend still had pug puppies at 14 & 16 weeks as nobody was buying) my tiny boy got a fabulous home a week or so later.
So here we are after 10 weeks of hell. Will I ever breed a pug again - I doubt it. And we had it relatively easy. It's not for the faint hearted and unless you are prepared and able to spare the time and effort if things go wrong then don't even consider it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 8:37:08 GMT
We are going to get her spayed, the main reason being the high risk of mammary tumours and the possibility of loosing her. It really doesn't bother me when people say she is a mongrel because every one (including vet) couldn't agree more that her 'breed' is 100% better than a pug as she has no breathing issues at all and never will! She has regular check ups is in perfect health. I will now always choose a x bred pug over a pure pug.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 8:38:17 GMT
I am sorry to hear about your pug and pups, stories like that really do put me off!
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Post by Philippa on Jan 25, 2013 11:33:10 GMT
Please don't be sorry talulah. My girl is fine as are the pups that survived. I was trying to hilight the fact the pugs are not easy dogs to breed and believe me ours was pretty straight forward. We were lucky to only lose 2. This is part and parcel of breeding bull breeds, I know of many people who have had to have a cesarian section for on pup and still lost it.
I'm pleased you have decided to have her spayed, not just because she is a x breed but because you have also investigated other areas ie health etc and decided it isn't worth it.
I hope you continue to enjoy yor dog.
Ps. My pugs don't have breathing problems or any other health issues come to mention it. Unfortunately people tar all the breed with the same brush. I would not have bred from mine if she had. I breed to improve the breed not to detrement it.
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Post by B_31 on Jan 25, 2013 18:46:59 GMT
We are going to get her spayed, the main reason being the high risk of mammary tumours and the possibility of loosing her. It really doesn't bother me when people say she is a mongrel because every one (including vet) couldn't agree more that her 'breed' is 100% better than a pug as she has no breathing issues at all and never will! She has regular check ups is in perfect health. I will now always choose a x bred pug over a pure pug. brilliant - health wise your dog will appreciate it - my friend didnt have his dog spayed until she was 7 - she had a tumour and had to have an op because of it she also got phantom pregnancys which imo could be prevented by him spaying her earlier! (he didnt breed btw so ive no idea why it wasnt done sooner)! my bit*h is spayed - shes 6 now and no issues from this whatsoever
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Post by dobiegirl on Jan 28, 2013 21:42:31 GMT
Have you considered the possibility she may need a C Section, you may lose the pups and your bit*h, if you lost the bit*h could you cope with feeding the pups yourself. Just somethng to think about, friends often say they would love a pup but when the time comes they could back out. What happens if you couldnt sell all the pups ,it would be unfair to expect a rescue to bail you out even if they could.
Can you provide back up for any pups that need rehoming, done properly its not easy or cheap microchipping etc.
I have a rare bit*h, she is on the KC vunerable list, she was bought fully health tested and DNA tested and although she has won in the show ring we will not breed. I found it very difficult to breed knowing the rescue situation and my conscience wont allow it.
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Post by honeybees on Jan 29, 2013 17:43:47 GMT
Rescue centres are full of dogs needing homes, why add to them? This ^ Spay her & enjoy her as a pet.
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Post by christine1056 on Apr 3, 2013 14:03:43 GMT
I have a border terrier given to me by a friend who breeds one litter every two years...........she was a present after I lost my beloved JRT from old age, he was 17.
She did come with a 'string' or two attached though, 1) she should be shown, well we tried that and she hated it with a vengeance..............so not doing that again.
2) she will have a litter of puppies, thats so I give one puppy back to her breeder, will keep one for myself and the rest have homes before they are even born...........all trustworthy people I already know and they will have a 'buy back' clause in their sale documents..........or if things don't work out later down the line I will rehome them.
In the past we have had Boxer dogs, my first dog of my very own was a Boxer who loved from the day she arrived at 8 weeks old, I was only 5 and so proud of my very own dog! She was my best friend playmate and protector. Irts only as I have grown older and suffered some serious shoulder problems and surgeries thast I have had to switch to a smaller dog...........its still funny though when at mums trying to avoid being bowled over by three Boxers in full pelt who are soooooooooooo happy to see you!
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