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Post by gallopingfairy on Feb 9, 2013 10:09:37 GMT
Does anyone else feel let down by animal welfare societies, or even more so that horses have been let down?? There has been a lot of 'goings ons' in my are recently with regards to someone abusing their horses (one incident involved a horse being hit in the face with a hammer). The RSPCA was informed, the BHS also and someone got in touch with the local animal welfare officer. There has also been numerous reports coming out the woodwork from a variety of people, yet the RSPCA did one inspection. BHS not seem to have done anything and the local AW officer did nothing at all!! Apparently all the reports are simply made by people who have it in for this person!! It's infuriating. It's the poor animals suffering!! But what can you do?!
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Post by gillwales on Feb 9, 2013 10:37:15 GMT
I lost my faith in the RSPCA when they made a million pound donation to the labour party prior to the hunting ban.
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Post by gallopingfairy on Feb 9, 2013 12:16:18 GMT
I think now they are just all about business and making money. The things that I have heard that people have seen one person do is just horrific! Glad the RSPCA have money to throw at the labour party then they want a fortune off you when you want to adopt an animal!
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Post by mellymoo on Feb 10, 2013 15:11:51 GMT
The RSPCA are a total waste of time. If you need to contact someone, WHW are much better and at least understand horses.
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Post by ladywell on Feb 10, 2013 15:50:28 GMT
Gill Wales - I agree with you about the huge donation to the Labour party - but, as a registered charity, I would love to know how the RSPCA got away with it?
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 10, 2013 16:43:59 GMT
I rang WHW about 2 gypsy cobs who are kept in a (totally bare) field and in the snow recently they were stood with absolutely nothing to eat, no water and in soaking rugs that have been on since October/November without coming off. I drive past this field daily and still nothing has changed after my call (called about 3 weeks ago). Nothing at all for them to eat, no water and God knows what is under those rugs. I hope they have tried to do something....
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Post by gallopingfairy on Feb 11, 2013 10:26:41 GMT
Who are WHW (sorry if its a daft question). Its a joke, the whole lot of them. That's awful nia 2311 about those cobs. Poor animals! It makes my blood boil. The person I was on about just should not be allowed animals all together. The things people have witnessed. Horses been hit in face with feed scoop. Horses being whipped to pieces and attacked with pitch forks or yard brushes while TIED up tightly in the stable. Then the RSPCA want pictures!! Ye next time you can just ask them to hold the pose while you get a snap shot!!! Then I recently learnt that the local welfare officer can't be bothered dealing with the situation as they know what this person is like! Need I say more.....
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Post by gilbertgrape on Feb 11, 2013 13:47:38 GMT
WHW are World Horse Welfare a huge welfare organisation who usually can be relied on to help.
However when I reported a horse and 3 shetlands who were only being fed every few weeks to WHW nothing happened. The horse was rugged but when the rug came off in the spring it had protruding hip joints and visible ribs. It looked awful. I took photos and sent them to WHW.
The reply was that the owner could chose not to feed her animals every day(!!!) and they wouldn't even come to look at the ponies.I gave them hay when I could for a few weeks.
Luckily for the animals a local chap bought the horse and the ponies found homes away from their owner who said she couldn't care for them as she had a disabled son who took alll her time.
Not impressed with WHW that time!!
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Post by BettyBo on Feb 11, 2013 14:16:43 GMT
I can honestly say I have never heard of a good story about the RSPCA everybody I know has an awful sorry to tell about them, and about how they have reported a problem and nothing has been done with the perpetrators. It's a sad society that we live in
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Post by tia on Feb 11, 2013 14:50:02 GMT
I have heard stories and witnessed first hand abuse of horses from a livery yard manager. This yard manager used to demand the livery bill in hand cash, no cheques or direct debit.She was manic, screaming every minute and abusing the horses, with lunge wips in the stable. One animal, so terrified lost weight rapidly. Till one day she hit a horse in the face with a hammer and I reported her to the RSPCA, who took four days to respond, by then any evidence of her actions was not apparent. And being a Gold member of the BHS I contacted the local welfare officer, who proclaimed her knowledge of this yard manager, however did not follow up with this woman's actions. Please be aware she is still advertising for liveries in local newspapers and feed merchants.
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 11, 2013 20:42:52 GMT
I honestly don't know what I can do about these cobs. They are still stood there in bare mud with ancient, wet rugs on, always stood by the gate waiting for someone who never comes. I have reported to WHW, to RSPCA in the past and have spoken to people locally who don't seem to know who the owner is. I don't have my own horses at present, so haven't got haylege hanging round - should I buy a bale and chuck it over?? But what about water?? And I have no idea what's under the rugs....
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Feb 11, 2013 22:37:45 GMT
Don't think RSPCA can diferentiate between a genuine abuse case and a malicious allegation.
An ex-neighbour of ours who is in her 80s was reported to RSPCA because she has a number of dogs, cats and rabbits. She walks all the dogs twice a day, having to walk them in two "packs" so that is 4 walks a day plus the animals never go short but she does - she will always make sue her animals are fed and watered before she eats. The Inspector came out and said how well looked after and happy her animals but it distressed her and all because of a malicious neighbour (everyone in the road knew who the malicious neighbour was).
What about Redwings or Blue Cross - don't know if they would get involved with the cobs but might be worth a try.
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 11, 2013 22:46:11 GMT
I hadn't thought of Redwings ruftytuftyrider, thanks I will get in touch with them. I just want someone to put hay in, put water in a bath, change their rugs and check on them at least once a day. That's not a lot to ask, is it??
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Post by BettyBo on Feb 12, 2013 10:08:41 GMT
I have heard stories and witnessed first hand abuse of horses from a livery yard manager. This yard manager used to demand the livery bill in hand cash, no cheques or direct debit.She was manic, screaming every minute and abusing the horses, with lunge wips in the stable. One animal, so terrified lost weight rapidly. Till one day she hit a horse in the face with a hammer and I reported her to the RSPCA, who took four days to respond, by then any evidence of her actions was not apparent. And being a Gold member of the BHS I contacted the local welfare officer, who proclaimed her knowledge of this yard manager, however did not follow up with this woman's actions. Please be aware she is still advertising for liveries in local newspapers and feed merchants. Why dont you name and shame?? |
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Post by carolla on Feb 12, 2013 11:54:45 GMT
If horses are genuinely neglected and mistreated and the welfare societies are not taking action, I personally would contact them again and inform them, you will be getting the local and national media involved. I bet they take notice then. Make sure you make it a promise and not a threat.
Its sad but those that make too much noise seems to be the only way to be noticed or get things sorted. most people turn a blind eye and will not get involved.
Very sad for the animals. Personally I have and would do the above cannot stand neglect or abuse.
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Post by gilbertgrape on Feb 12, 2013 13:21:11 GMT
I rang WHW about 2 gypsy cobs who are kept in a (totally bare) field and in the snow recently they were stood with absolutely nothing to eat, no water and in soaking rugs that have been on since October/November without coming off. I drive past this field daily and still nothing has changed after my call (called about 3 weeks ago). Nothing at all for them to eat, no water and God knows what is under those rugs. I hope they have tried to do something.... Where abouts are you ? RSPCA does have inspectors all over the UK where some welfares may be miles from these cobs and unwilling to send someone.keep on at them. I do hope you can get them help. Goodness knows whats under the rugs that what nasty peole do to cover the sad plight of their animals.Rugs need to come off to see the state of the cobs. Its so upsetting when you see them daily and you know they are starving! |
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 12, 2013 16:05:10 GMT
I've contacted RSPCA before about these cobs gilbertgrape and nothing was done. I am in Bolton. In the same locality there was a horse who died while tethered (badly). The RSPCA only intervened when it was too late despite reports about the animal at an earlier time..... Don't believe the sob story of the owner in this report of the story www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/8354787.Heartbroken_pony_owner___s_tether_warning/ and the cobs I mention are in a field in the same area. |
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 12, 2013 16:11:05 GMT
Oh and according to WHW website, they do have a field officer serving the north west specifically, it says he is called John Cunningham.... I am ringing them again now
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Post by gallopingfairy on Feb 12, 2013 18:33:06 GMT
It's sad and sickening! You shouldn't have to keep on at them should you. The post that Tia put on here......how is this yard manager possibly still able to advertise!! and have other people's horses on the yard for that matter!!! This very same person has been witnessed abusing other peoples horses when the owners aren't there. And horrifically treating horses that they are getting paid to care for! What is wrong with some people in the world :-(
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 12, 2013 18:41:44 GMT
I rang WHW again (twice) but no answer so left a message......
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Post by siany on Feb 12, 2013 19:00:00 GMT
Some years ago I found a palomino yearling in a field full of youngsters, stood away from the others with what I presume was strangles. It had the hugest burst abscess between it's eyes on its forehead with blood an puss everywhere, and was skin and bone.
I rang the RSPCA and told them it was a dire emergency, and that I did know about horses and what I was talking about.
2 days later the pony was still there, and I rang again but was told it was a bank holiday weekend....
A week later I found out the pony had died in the field. I rang the Rspca and created merry hell. Luckily I had taken photos of the pony. There was an investigation and the officer was suspended. It turned out he had taken 3 days to attend, then had stayed in his van, sending a trainee into the field to look at the palomino. The trainee had looked at another plomino, and declared it fit and well (there were 3 or 4 palominos in the field)
No one thought to ring me back and question me further.
The end result was the inspector was sent on an equine training course and reinstated.
I resigned from the branch committee that I was a member of, and have never donated time or money to them again.
My advice would be to try swhp who, although are based in Wales, are a fab charity, whom we have a pony on loan from, and may point you in the right direction as they work with other organisations.
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 13, 2013 16:27:10 GMT
Update! The WHW field officer just rang me and said he did visit the field two weeks ago and left a card tied to the gate for the owner to get in touch and some advice to put in supplementary forage. The owner has not been in touch and I have not seen any supplementary forage in the field, so the field officer will visit again next week. He said he could not get close to the horses as they legged it when he approached, but agreed the grazing was insufficient and that the rugs looked like they'd be on a long time. However he said that from his assessment "at a distance" their condition did not concern him too much!! I said that "from a distance" he would not be able to see mud fever, rain scald, worming issues and the full body condition could not be seen under the rugs, nor could feet be properly assessed "from a distance". The field officer just said they were not an immediate welfare concern to him, but he would revisit and ask at the adjoining properties for the owner and repeat the request to provide more forage..... I am pleased someone is doing something, but not 100% convinced about the "at a distance" assessment.
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Post by gilbertgrape on Feb 13, 2013 18:45:35 GMT
How can they be ok- they haven't been fed! Rugs cover horrendous problems and cetainly he can't assess a horse's condition at a distance when it's rugged.No-one can.
He needs to bring a team to catch one of them to do a close check.
Also take photos of the field and the cobs when you see them to prove long neglect.
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Post by nia2311 on Feb 13, 2013 19:40:58 GMT
They look thin to me but that is "from a distance!". I will have to go up at another time - normally I drive past on my way to work and its just off a dual carriageway so not able to just stop outside. I will have to drive into the adjoining housing area and park up. He said he would be back next week and would ring me again with his assessment.
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Post by gillwales on Feb 13, 2013 20:35:47 GMT
Gill Wales - I agree with you about the huge donation to the Labour party - but, as a registered charity, I would love to know how the RSPCA got away with it? I believe there were a lot of questions about this, however at the tome Labour were in power under Blair... need I say more? |
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Post by icarus on Feb 23, 2013 16:04:39 GMT
Any update on the cobs??
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Post by paige1316 on Feb 23, 2013 18:08:53 GMT
No faith left at all  |
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Post by nj on Feb 24, 2013 9:46:36 GMT
I find them a waste of money, and they don't even go out to the real cases where ponies/horses animals in general are suffering. I will never forget a few years back my Arab who was slightly overweight, section A and part arab were in a my field near the road (small country road) we have a lot of visitors in our area it's a tourist attraction, anyway around 4pm RSPCA officer came saying that 3 horses running around like crazy obviously frightened and when the reporters came back they were lying dead in the field with one standing up obviously broken it's leg as it was resting it (or in the reporters words hanging) these people knew us aswell as they were frequent visitors to the area of our village. Anyway to cut a long story short this RSPCA officer had travelled alltheway from Manchester!!! only to find 3 perfectly happy horses grazing, they were running around like crazy because the people next door to us were playing with their helicopter, and then when they were lying dead, they were resting in the heat with one of them on guard  , it's funny how they will come out to some cases but not to others, I guess the reporters exagarated slightly, but the RSPCA officer asked me how old the cob was, I said you are refering to the Arab I guess. What a waste of time and money for the RSPCA that call out was to travel 3.5hrs down here for that!!!! Just wish they would respond so quickly to the genuine cases when you try and report an emeciated, half dying pony in a field. |
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Post by pencaedu on Feb 24, 2013 10:09:30 GMT
Our local Animal Health are no better. In all fairness, they did attend within the hour, but when they realised what it was going to cost for redwings to collect the animal, they said it would be OK. It died.
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Post by carolla on Feb 24, 2013 13:14:59 GMT
Hi I am just so appalled with the way society turns a blind eye, what with the unnecessary inhumane killing! Its dreadful how people can get away with such abuse neglect and cruelty.
Some governing party need to take such issues seriously and deal with the culprits.
Firstly I feel a license should be necessary for owners of horse and ponies, not a money making scam just to identify the whereabouts and who owns them and this should be issued by one society, whom takes enforcement seriously, as the passport is a joke too many issuing societies and nobody policing it.
Also the indiscriminate breeding should be stopped then hopefully monitoring the whereabouts will be easier. This is probably to easy to ask.
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