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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 21:30:54 GMT
Can anyone tell me when labradoodles are being shown at crufts this year. Apparently they are to be accepted into the kennel club and are being showcased this year at crufts as a trial run as they are so popular and are being recognised as a new breed after being used as guide dogs in Austalia for many years. Can't wait to see them get the recognition they deserve ;D
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2013 21:33:26 GMT
Really? Might take my jack sh1tz next year then. Lol
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 21:36:22 GMT
Yeah apparently they are the 8th most popular breed at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 21:39:58 GMT
Can't see that happening as they are just cross breeds
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 21:42:27 GMT
yeah but all dogs started as cross breeds and now cos they have been bred for guide doigs for so long they are being recognised as a breed. Same as Jack Russells 40 or 50 years ago
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 21:50:41 GMT
They have been trying to get them as recognised breeds for years now and they've never succeeded so I can't quite understand why they would do it now
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2013 21:51:30 GMT
That is true about jrt's. wonder what the breed standard would look like as they are so diverse?
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 9, 2013 21:52:01 GMT
Can't see that happening as they are just cross breeds *** sits on hands *** ;D
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2013 21:54:22 GMT
Can't see that happening as they are just cross breeds *** sits on hands *** ;D LOL But, and here is the question. To get a doodle you cross a lab with a poodle, you dont actually mate 2 doodles? Bit like mules really. Are the infertile as well
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 9, 2013 21:55:20 GMT
That would be interesting , labradoodles certainly are popular would be an interesting breed standard though
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 9, 2013 21:57:44 GMT
See where you're coming from DC bit like hybrid chickens being infertile. Doodles would come in different sizes too as they can mate the toy/miniature/standard which will throw a wide range of sizes
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2013 22:00:04 GMT
And colours!!! Na won't happen until you breed 2 doodles together
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 22:00:43 GMT
yes that's an F1 but you can get F2s and F3s and F1b F2b etc. You really need to understand genetics to appreciate the different types.
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2013 22:03:47 GMT
Oh I understand genetics and the F1 etc. so when are they appearing this week. Saw the interview with one earlier. Is that what you were thinking of!
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 22:06:12 GMT
Not sure not seeen any of it on TV but was told that they are to be recognised by KC and shown at crufts so wondered when they were on.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 9, 2013 22:07:32 GMT
Yes it's all about genetics, saw the one on Crufts earlier, didn't look much like the most popular type of doodle and it moulted as well. Seemed a very friendly even tempered dog though and of course temperament is so important as is soundness. People ofetne forget that a dog needs to stay sound as well to do the job it was bred for
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2013 22:09:24 GMT
Guess not this year. Only an interview with one of them
Now what group would you put them in then, gun dogs or utility even though standard poodles were actually used as gun dogs originally for retrieving from water hence the fancy hair cuts they have for showing
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 9, 2013 22:13:48 GMT
just wrote a big post and deleted it. still sitting on hands.
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 22:14:12 GMT
Oh so it seems I've missed it, do you know if it will be on again? was it a standard or mini doodle that was on, they are so versatile which is an added bonus that you can get the size to suit you. ;D
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 9, 2013 22:15:19 GMT
Milliesmum don't sit on your hands, everyone can voice their opinion
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Post by kaybrook on Mar 9, 2013 22:15:33 GMT
Don't know about crufts but we have a labradoodle and he's the best dog ever!
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 22:20:32 GMT
Guess not this year. Only an interview with one of them Now what group would you put them in then, gun dogs or utility even though standard poodles were actually used as gun dogs originally for retrieving from water hence the fancy hair cuts they have for showing Who knows what group they would put them in, as you say standard poodles were orginally bred as gundogs but are classed as utility, you would have to ask KC as to why that it.
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Post by B_31 on Mar 9, 2013 22:25:23 GMT
oh dear god what!?
they are crossbreeds!?
mabey i should get my springer x collie (sprollie) off to crufts too!?
whatever next....... bulls**ts?! (sh1tz-bulldog?)!
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Post by sarahp on Mar 9, 2013 22:32:26 GMT
Isn't there a "Scrufts" section this year for cross breds? No idea if that is related to this labradoodle stuff or not. The definition of a pure breed is one that breeds true - do labradoodles do that yet?
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 9, 2013 22:38:03 GMT
And more to the point, would we want our healthy happy crossbreeds with their 'hybrid vigour' bred to the same point that some of the breeds appearing at crufts are bred? With their features purposely bred to become extreme just to fit to a breed standard so they can trot round a show ring and sire lots of expensive puppies? With all the health problems that can entail?
Nope, keep doodles away from the show ring, keep them happy and healthy and full of fun even if they ARE 'only crossbreeds'!!!!
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 9, 2013 22:38:34 GMT
Sorry, hands went numb and had to take them out from under my bottom. Not sure whether that's down to the hard chair I'm sitting on or the size of my bottom.
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 22:38:53 GMT
Isn't there a "Scrufts" section this year for cross breds? No idea if that is related to this labradoodle stuff or not. The definition of a pure breed is one that breeds true - do labradoodles do that yet? Yes that is why they are being considered as a breed. JRT's are a relatively new inclusion to the KC and are not as true to type as the labradoodle!
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Post by Labradoodles on Mar 9, 2013 22:41:43 GMT
oh dear god what!? they are crossbreeds!? mabey i should get my springer x collie (sprollie) off to crufts too!? whatever next....... bulls**ts?! (sh1tz-bulldog?)! Wouldn't bother love! Springer x collies are not a tried and tested breed for any purpose unlike the labradoodle although it will probably be a lovely healthy pet ;D
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Post by highlanderlass on Mar 9, 2013 23:23:49 GMT
There is Sprollies being trained as drug dogs so I would say they are a useful breed! Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e using proboards
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Post by sometime on Mar 10, 2013 11:03:51 GMT
Sorry milliesmum I have had to get off my hands too. Cross breed first cross do not have hybrid vigour but face the risk of the same diseases and problems as both parent dogs so Labradoodles are at a very high risk of eye and joint problems as both Labradors and Poodles have a very high score on the hip dysplasia list. Having said that I agree they make great pets and shouldnt be subject to any form of line breeding to type like show dogs as that may well set faults as well as good points. there are huge gene pools of health tested dogs now but sadly many breeders of doodles assume crossing one breed with another will introduce hybrid vigour which is not true even their parent dogs need to be health tested xrayed and tested for eye disease which is prevalent in a lot of breeds. A true mongrel of 57 varieties on the other hand may well have hybrid vigour or be saddled with every fault possible due to its heritage so either good or terrible. Only way forward is to only buy puppies from health tested stock regardless of breed and as that is slightly more possible in pedigree dogs then that would be the route I would follow I have a friend who has literally cashed in on the poodle cross and has several litters per year of cockerpoos most father to daughter matings
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