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Post by dazycutter on Mar 11, 2013 20:33:49 GMT
KJM, my pal has 5 staffies, all rescued and all lovely dogs... they are as soft as butter, not my type at all, but adore her gang
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 11, 2013 20:35:54 GMT
It seems rather than taking umbrage against those of us who choose a crossbred puppy, see it at home with mum, and do our research before buying a puppy, it might be better to campaign against the eastern european bulk importers of pedigree and 'designer' crossbreed puppies illegally and thus risking bringing Rabies and other diseases into the UK!
Very interesting programme, you'll catch it on channel 4 plus 1 at 9.00pm!
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 11, 2013 20:42:26 GMT
MM, you hit the nail on the head.. the word is "CHOOSE" cross breds are not for me, as I love my red heads, but if that's what you want, then that's up to the individual.
What does annoy me is people who breed for money and don't do the relevant health checks be it either pure bred or cross bred... oh and people who get on their high horse about it.
A dog is a dog, albeit pure or cross bred.
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 11, 2013 20:50:12 GMT
I absolutely respect each individual's right to choose, just wish everybody would afford me the same respect! The dispatches programme trailer said it was about the importing of 'designer' dogs, the first I saw on there were sharpei's, pugs, english bulldogs and they also mentioned later on very briefly the crossbreeds - so it seems the problem is across the board. If people insisted on seeing a puppy at home with mum and the rest of the litter, and asked the right questions, there wouldn't be an issue, I can't understand how someone could walk into a pet shop and pay upwards of a thousand pounds for a fashionable breed without asking any questions at all.
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 11, 2013 20:52:45 GMT
because MM, like a lot of people it seems, they are ignorant.
Unfortunately we cannot save the world
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 20:53:08 GMT
KJM, my pal has 5 staffies, all rescued and all lovely dogs... they are as soft as butter, not my type at all, but adore her gang My sister had a rescued staffy and she was adorable - with humans! Unfortunately she was murderous with any other animal and was a total liability with other animals. Sadly she had to go back to the staffy rescue as we are in a horsey area and she loathed horses and would have done serious damage had she ever managed to get to one. Despite building the place like fort knox she was a serious accident waiting to happen. Also had a client at work with one, lovely dog and got on well with their lab but one day it just flipped for no apparent reason and locked on to it's leg and broke it with the sheer pressure. No apparent reason why it should do it but who knows what happened in it's murky past.
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 20:55:55 GMT
because MM, like a lot of people it seems, they are ignorant. Unfortunately we cannot save the world I know Dazy. Some of us don't try to, we just like to make informed decisions knowing our own circumstances without being lectured to, it is very patronising.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 11, 2013 21:04:38 GMT
Absolutely MM people should be able to choose whatever breed or cross breed that suits them. Like Dazy im a pedigree person and have had the same breed for 30 years but I would certainly consider a cross breed if it suited my life style. Couldn't see a "jug" or a chihauhau crossing Dartmoor without getting into trouble When I picked Maisie up from the vets tonight there was a woman with 2 lovely cream labradoodles in the surgery There are a lot of people that breed both pedigrees and cross breeds that have very little canine knowledge, have no interest in making sure they breed from healthy dogs and are only in it to make a profit. The care of the dogs and the future of the puppies simply doesn't come into it
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 21:08:35 GMT
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 11, 2013 21:08:38 GMT
KJM, my pal has 5 staffies, all rescued and all lovely dogs... they are as soft as butter, not my type at all, but adore her gang My sister had a rescued staffy and she was adorable - with humans! Unfortunately she was murderous with any other animal and was a total liability with other animals. Sadly she had to go back to the staffy rescue as we are in a horsey area and she loathed horses and would have done serious damage had she ever managed to get to one. Despite building the place like fort knox she was a serious accident waiting to happen. Also had a client at work with one, lovely dog and got on well with their lab but one day it just flipped for no apparent reason and locked on to it's leg and broke it with the sheer pressure. No apparent reason why it should do it but who knows what happened in it's murky past. Harsh, but I do think in these circumstances, the dogs would be better PTS. Clearly troubled unhappy dogs who wont change.. sad but reality
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Post by halfpass on Mar 11, 2013 21:09:12 GMT
I've decided I have a designer dog I'm going to call him a Whippalukie, to any one else he is a lurcher, how much did I pay for this exotic breed, absolutely nothing, he was rescued, he has had problems more mental and man made, but thanks to two Lab gun dogs who he follows and copies with undying devotion and his love of Tesco's pre cooked cocktail sausages these are disappearing into the dark recesses of his mind, he now even works with the gun dogs and retrieves, even though he does wear a coat ( he feels the cold bless him) and he doesn't do mud or water, but he is very good on warm dry days. But I digress, the theme of this thread was, should our X breeds be at Crufts and the answer is still NO. Would I want to show my lovely X bred? there would be no point I already know he's the best in the world.
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 21:11:23 GMT
My sister had a rescued staffy and she was adorable - with humans! Unfortunately she was murderous with any other animal and was a total liability with other animals. Sadly she had to go back to the staffy rescue as we are in a horsey area and she loathed horses and would have done serious damage had she ever managed to get to one. Despite building the place like fort knox she was a serious accident waiting to happen. Also had a client at work with one, lovely dog and got on well with their lab but one day it just flipped for no apparent reason and locked on to it's leg and broke it with the sheer pressure. No apparent reason why it should do it but who knows what happened in it's murky past. Harsh, but I do think in these circumstances, the dogs would be better PTS. Clearly troubled unhappy dogs who wont change.. sad but reality Yes sadly that was poor Piggy's fate, she was never going to be safe despite being so loveable, she was given every opportunity to reform and no-one could have done more for her but it would never have happened poor little thing.
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 11, 2013 21:16:47 GMT
so sad KJM... but better there than in the wrong home... know some horses like that.. oh, people too LOL
Halfpass... you know sausages are not good for pooches... PMSL
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Post by caspa on Mar 11, 2013 21:25:31 GMT
Well I have 2 Woodles, sisters, from the same breeder, saw mum & dad, they are perfect!! My girls are the happiest, healthiest, friendliest dogs I've ever owned, having had several old English sheepdogs, border collies etc.. I wouldn't change them for the world.. They are a joy, they go everywhere with me, I can't imagine my life without them now...
We get stopped everywhere we go, and people are always asking what they are, we love them so much, they were our choice and I stand by my choice... Yes you could go down the designer dogs route, but I don't see my girls as them... They are wanted, loved and make us laugh every day...
In my opinion you have a choice, and there are some amazing pure breeds to go for, but I wouldn't for one minute write off a cross breed or a doodle or a Woodle ... I'm not saying I want to go to crufts, I just want a loving, healthy dog to spoil rotten...:-)
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 21:25:58 GMT
so sad KJM... but better there than in the wrong home... know some horses like that.. oh, people too LOL Halfpass... you know sausages are not good for pooches... PMSL Ignore her Halfpass I bet your whipalukie would love a sausage. If we listened to everything anyone says we'd never eat anything tasty, have an alcoholic drink or take an antibiotic but we'd all live to be miserable 100yr old prunes that no bugger wants to pay for
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 21:29:53 GMT
Well I have 2 Woodles, sisters, from the same breeder, saw mum & dad, they are perfect!! My girls are the happiest, healthiest, friendliest dogs I've ever owned, having had several old English sheepdogs, border collies etc.. I wouldn't change them for the world.. They are a joy, they go everywhere with me, I can't imagine my life without them now... We get stopped everywhere we go, and people are always asking what they are, we love them so much, they were our choice and I stand by my choice... Yes you could go down the designer dogs route, but I don't see my girls as them... They are wanted, loved and make us laugh every day... In my opinion you have a choice, and there are some amazing pure breeds to go for, but I wouldn't for one minute write off a cross breed or a doodle or a Woodle ... I'm not saying I want to go to crufts, I just want a loving, healthy dog to spoil rotten...:-) Yeehaa!!! Thats exactly how I feel about my labradoodle, she's perfectio! And I have a standard poodle(4th one I've had) who I love just as much but doodles coat is easier to manage and personality wise you can't split them
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 11, 2013 21:32:56 GMT
whats a Woodle!!
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 21:34:25 GMT
Westie x poodle
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Post by halfpass on Mar 11, 2013 21:47:07 GMT
you tell him that, lol, he only has a couple as a treat, and there probabley horse meat anyway, everything seems to be these days and in the early days I'd have given him caviar if it would of built up the trust between us.
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Post by sarahp on Mar 11, 2013 22:30:17 GMT
Yours sounds like our rescue ?saluki but better behaved halfpass - ours now has a wardrobe of three coats, one bought for him, one a present and another found straying in the woods with no dog in it. But retrieve? Not a chance, only interested in something alive which he'd chase, if dead he'd run off with it and eat it, and as for toys - what's the point? He did provide great amusement at puppy training classes though.
I was wondering about a woodle too.
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 11, 2013 22:36:32 GMT
If you think a woodle is bad, one of the mums at school has a schitpoo. Now that's a hell of a cross.
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 11, 2013 22:37:47 GMT
If you think a woodle is bad, one of the mums at school has a schitpoo. Now that's a hell of a cross. I bet it's lovely despite it's handle ;D
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 11, 2013 22:47:02 GMT
Actually it's super mega fugly but loveable with it!
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Post by sarahp on Mar 12, 2013 7:35:27 GMT
Well a hell of a name anyway - but I could work out what the constituent bits were from that, I couldn't work out what a woodle might be. Well, the other bit(s) to poodle anyway.
Mm I have that documentary recorded, to watch when I can.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Mar 12, 2013 8:10:33 GMT
Just a query on this - when did JRT's become recognised by the KC? I thought it was just the Parson russell?
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Post by viking on Mar 12, 2013 8:17:34 GMT
Just a query on this - when did JRT's become recognised by the KC? I thought it was just the Parson russell? As far as I am aware it is only the Parson Russell.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Mar 12, 2013 8:26:42 GMT
Thanks Viking! Just thought I'd missed something somewhere LOL - then again, that's nothing unusual!!
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Post by sometime on Mar 12, 2013 19:47:15 GMT
I agree with everyone who says it is choice to be honest if you have landed on a good cross breeder then why would they be anything but healthy and happy sadly it isnt the case for many and yes around here there are cockerpoos in rescue just the same as any other breed of dog. Like labs they dont stay there very long but they do end up there too. Shame about staffies my friend has one and it is a great people dog She was a rescue too and is a great dog. Only been homed a short time I hope all stays good for her There is an 8 month old bull mastiff in a rescue locally too he is a wonderful dog just not getting a home because of his size such a shame. I would have rehomed him if I didnt have a small house and a labrador already
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Post by Uptown Girl on Mar 12, 2013 19:51:53 GMT
I know this is posted a bit late but all breeds of dogs were crossed somewhere along the line when they were being produced hundreds of years ago. As different breeds were mixed together for a specific purpose. Labradoodle were crossed to make a assistance dog for allergy sufferers. Surely it's the same thing ? I'm not saying that doodles should be KC reg but if they started to breed Labradoodles instead of crossing poodles and labs in a dozed generations they should be able to draw up a rough standard for the breed
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