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Post by the showing register on Jul 25, 2013 8:50:01 GMT
The Showing Register is holding a Showing Question Time on Tuesday evening at Equifest. FREE entry it starts at 19.30 with Pimms and question time from 20.00
Would you like to be on the Panel ? We are looking for an Exhibitor with good all round views to join our panel for the evening if you would like to be considered please e mail us at theshowingregister@yahoo.co.uk or PM on here or add to the thread. We need to know your name, age range and any other info that might be interesting !
The Panel is Mathew Lawrence ( Judge, Trainer)Robert Parker Jones (Judge) Helena Pettit ( Managing Director Grandstand Media) Phil Judge ( Steward and Exhibitor) Sacha Shaw ( Equine Manager HOYS) and one other to be announced!
We also want your ideas for questions just e mail them to us or put them on Face book or on this thread
Thanks see you there !
edited as stupid me got the date wrong !!
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Post by the showing register on Jul 27, 2013 12:28:18 GMT
Thanks to everyone who has e mailed about the space on the Panel. To be fair we are going to wait one week and then pull a name out of the hat. If you have a question send it in or come on the night and we will be taking some questions from the floor.
I am going to post questions on this thread as they come in and see what you all think of them
First up
Does the Panel think that it would be better for the Exhibitors if Judges did not Judge and Exhibit in the same season ?
This question is from Nigel Hollings and we think it is a good question especially relevant for Judges officiating at HOYS qualifiers. However genuine the judging if an Exhibitor wins one week and then Judges the Judge the next week and they win it is bound to lead to comments - would this help ? Let's hope our panel have the answer !
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Post by the showing register on Aug 5, 2013 12:55:48 GMT
Hi
We have pulled a name out of the hat this morning ( actually postman did it !) and Jane Ripley is going to join the panel - thank you Jane !
Sarah
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Post by rookeryjumble on Aug 10, 2013 21:39:18 GMT
Hi. We're very keen to come along - where is it going to be held? Thanks
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Post by the showing register on Aug 11, 2013 4:24:43 GMT
Hi
In the Peterborough suite on the East of England Showground next to the bar. Start 19.30 with Pimms ! Free entry
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Post by fatcob on Aug 11, 2013 8:27:11 GMT
Question
Does the panel endorse the idea that if a competitor/judge/horse is fined/banned/penalised ( ie stood down from panel in judges case)then that penalty should be served ( fine only paid once) across ALL show societies?
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Post by cayo on Aug 11, 2013 9:07:20 GMT
This question is from Nigel Hollings and we think it is a good question especially relevant for Judges officiating at HOYS qualifiers. However genuine the judging if an Exhibitor wins one week and then Judges the Judge the next week and they win it is bound to lead to comments - would this help ? Let's hope our panel have the answer ! Read more: horsegossip.proboards.com/thread/168840/question-time-tuesday-august-equifest#ixzz2beLJQYr4I think if it were asked of the competitors the answer would be a resounding no to this very topical question looking forward to this and of course the pimms lol
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2013 11:27:40 GMT
Before I put any questions to the panel I would like to know:
Is this panel representing TSR or are we just asking for an individual’s opinion?
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Post by the showing register on Aug 11, 2013 16:20:46 GMT
Hi
All the panel members are individuals and will say whatever they think we have not got any pre conceived ideas ourselves we just want to hear what the Panel and everyone else who would like to comment thinks and then we will write it up into a sort of Future of Showing report and circulate it around to whoever wants to read it.
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2013 18:16:43 GMT
So the panel that is going to be answering questions does not represent any organisation, body or group? If so what is the purpose of the panel and the evening? Or am I missing something?
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Post by apple123 on Aug 11, 2013 18:47:24 GMT
So the panel that is going to be answering questions does not represent any organisation, body or group? If so what is the purpose of the panel and the evening? Or am I missing something? To hear people's views & get people talking? A bit like a forum in real life
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2013 19:00:04 GMT
If that's the case then its not really a question time, its a discussion. Just like a forum.
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2013 19:21:53 GMT
I personally wont be at equifest but would still like to raise a question/point of discussion.
Does the panel not think its time that ridden judges should be assessed or qualified to be on a ride panel for the performance side of showing, I ask this as more and more judges either ignore a bad performance or cannot differentiate between a good one and bad one. This fact is leading to disgruntled competitors which does not bode well for the future of ridden classes.
Over to the panel/people for their views!!!!
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Post by joules on Aug 12, 2013 20:34:20 GMT
Admin, what a brilliant question/point you have raised,I can not be there but would love to hear the response.
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Post by the showing register on Aug 13, 2013 7:15:07 GMT
Thanks for all the interest the idea is that we have a representative group of people who will have their own views and ideas and to this we will add any comments on the night, comments on this thread and on our facebook page and from this form some idea of what everyone thinks about topical questions so we can use it for our future planning and policy.
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Post by Guestless on Aug 13, 2013 7:23:33 GMT
Is it possible to feedback the answers on here after the event since some of our members have contributed towards the questions? I think it's a good idea and, if nothing else, will hopefully get some people thinking for the future.
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Post by the showing register on Aug 13, 2013 7:29:34 GMT
Yes will do !
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Post by Toaster on Aug 13, 2013 22:52:34 GMT
I've just got home from attending this. It was a really interesting evening! Thank you to all those who took time to give individual help to me too
Thank you to the organisers - it was a very well run and very well attended evening
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Post by the showing register on Aug 14, 2013 5:22:48 GMT
Well it was amazing how many people turned out last night ! In excess of 150. We tried to cover a lot of your questions but we have some in our pile that did not make it and we will submit these to the panel in writing and then include them in our report which we will post on here.
Thank you harrypatch it was nice to meet up and from your question we think it would be a good idea to have a ' start point' available on our web site for newcomers to be able to talk to someone about all the options available to them within showing so they can get off on the right foot.
If you were there last night and you want any further clarification on any of the answers or to add anything just post on here or pm us.
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Post by the showing register on Aug 30, 2013 16:26:08 GMT
Hi the report is in its final stages and we will post it up next week with all the comments. Just a quick question for your comments leading on from some stuff on the BSPS Show thread
'' If you are a Judge should you be able to be Home Produced / Amateur ?'' is this OK or does being a Judge give you an advantage ?
We would like to hear your views
thanks
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Post by Toaster on Aug 30, 2013 17:57:19 GMT
As a newbie looking at it from an outside perspective I would say yes you should be able to show in those categories, judging is unpaid apart from expenses as I understand it so effectively voluntary. Without the judges there would be no shows so to force them to choose could be a dangerous game to play
I show poultry at a very high level (and yes it's taken just as seriously as the equine show world before everyone laughs!) and the judges there are split in to grades (there are about seven or eight) - I'm not sure if the equine judges are too but perhaps a compromise may be to say judges over a certain skill set should be exempt?
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Post by Admin on Aug 30, 2013 18:35:34 GMT
Being a judge is voluntary. Given that fact and the fact that there is no financial gain, a judge that shows should be classed as home produced. Is there an advantage in being a judge and showing ?? It should make no difference if you are an honest judge that judges what's in front of you on the day.
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Post by catkin on Aug 30, 2013 18:56:01 GMT
But I think the point is that as judge is in a position of influence and therefore this may effect outcomes. would be interesting to see the write up of this event
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Post by pinkypie on Aug 30, 2013 21:05:50 GMT
V difficult one. If you saw a judge arrive at a show with some ponies, ride them in for significant periods of time and then accompany them in the ring in the open classes AND THEN watch the ponies compete in the HP'd classes, how would you feel about being judged by that judge? Would your perception be that he/she would be capable of being fair. Personally, I think they should be struck off for bringing the sport into disrepute.
I think you have to get away from this thing that judges do it for love etc and without them we wouldn't have shows. Showing is a multi million pound industry and immune from any regulation. Sure there are a societies - all with their own different rules but who regulates the regulators? How many of you know of a complaint that is upheld? As long as Showing is being treated as a 'cottage industry' and judges are seen as 'kindly souls' that are giving up their day, you will have little control over what is happening. I think they should be treated as professionals, accountable for their actions but justly rewarded for doing so.
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Post by molliesmum on Sept 21, 2013 7:07:56 GMT
I was interested to read the summary in native pony magazine. I was unable to be there as I couldn't get time off work, In particular I was interested in the discussion about amateur riders classes and that they should not be open to people whose ponies are with producers. I work long hours full time and can ride once or twice a week at best, so my pony is with a producer. I am very much an amateur rider with very little show ring experience and I couldn't get my pony to perform anywhere near as well as it would if ridden by a professional. If amateur riders are not allowed to ride ponies trained by producers then the class effectively becomes another home produced class. I don't expect rosettes every time I compete but I don't stand a chance in open affiliated classes against professional riders. It feels like there is a gap for those of us who aren't experienced riders and have professional help with our ponies. We pay memberships too - there should be something for everyone. I am in complete agreement with the ruling that amateurs should not have professional help on the day of the show and standardising the home produced ruling across all societies would also be a very sensible move.
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