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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 15:19:29 GMT
How nasty are we talking.
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Post by meljolly on Oct 7, 2013 16:21:22 GMT
You might think I am crazy but have u tried animal communication? Long shot but for 20 quid, what have you got to loose? ;-)
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Post by 09rebel99 on Oct 7, 2013 18:28:14 GMT
I had a pony a bit like this. How old is he and is there any way you could stable him for a while to get a bit of a bond going?
The one I had is fine now as he has 'grown up' so Id say it depends how old yours is also.
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Post by clipclop1 on Oct 7, 2013 18:55:41 GMT
there is a 2 year old like this at are yard she was abused as a foal and taken of her mum at 4 month old and left in a barn with 4 other horses. Is he the same if he is on his own we found that she was a lot better and one by one we introduced them back together and finally she would let us in the field with the others with out her charging at us.
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Post by lilliella1 on Oct 7, 2013 18:56:16 GMT
At his age I would give him a chance. It sounds like he has had to defend himself in the past. I agree, if you can stable him and try some one on one bonding. X
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Post by lisadundee on Oct 7, 2013 18:58:01 GMT
No at 2 year old he is young enough to learn, try rehome him to someone who has the experience to deal with this issue who possibly won't have young children around and give him a chance with someone who can deal with him x
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Post by nici on Oct 7, 2013 21:53:19 GMT
Out of interest is he a colt or a gelding?
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Post by sarahp on Oct 8, 2013 6:53:46 GMT
I think I've had a say on him on another thread, but there's more information here. At 2yo, he's worth a try - not by you if you have a small child though. If with me I'd make sure no feed, titbits or buckets are anywhere near him for the time being (hay thrown over the fence only if necessary and with no interaction with him), and have zero tolerance for bad behaviour and immediate reward for good. I wouldn't stable him if at all possible, as that's another source of stress, but if here he'd go in one of my small outside areas near the house/yard on his own, and I'd have a chat with him whenever I could on the way past, rewarding good behaviour and rebuking bad on a very consistent basis.
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Post by Jenna on Oct 8, 2013 7:31:07 GMT
I'd usually agree but he is really nervous and didn't want him beig more nervous around us
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Post by larkhaven on Oct 8, 2013 8:26:50 GMT
I would turn him out with my senior broodie, she would soon teach him some
manners and at the same time give him some security. Sounds like fear behaviiour thats got out of hand.its so easy to overface babies, which is why mine are pretty much left to be babies till they are a bit older.
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Post by gillwales on Oct 8, 2013 9:08:32 GMT
glad to hear that the breeder is taking him back. In your case I would pts, your children are far more important than any pony.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 8, 2013 9:44:02 GMT
Nervous or not he has to know when he has done wrong. Please do remember any replies, from me at least, are made with one eye on other readers who may be in the same position.
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Post by brt on Oct 8, 2013 13:22:10 GMT
To me it sounds like a fear reaction, wanting to strike first.
I agree with Sarah on handling the situation, but do wonder what will happen to this little chap when he leaves you?
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Post by aengusog on Oct 11, 2013 21:35:02 GMT
It's ridiculous to suggest that a 2yr old gelding should be put to sleep on the basis that you can't train him to be safe and respectful around humans. Hopefully his breeder will make a better choice for him in the future.
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Post by gillwales on Oct 12, 2013 5:06:00 GMT
if the choice was a child's safety or pts and there was no other option I know which choice I would make, no matter what I would never put any animal before my children, however this does high-light, if you have young children only take on what you can safely manage.
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Post by ponytastic on Oct 12, 2013 10:21:17 GMT
At least he's going back to his breeder. Well done for putting your hands up and saying, 'I cannot control him. He is too much for me'. I admire you for that. Personally i'd have kept him and tried my hardest to get him to behave and well handled. It could just be that he's had no discipline from being a foal. Do you know when he was weaned from his mother? On the other hand, he could just be naughty and trying to dominate you. I realize you must put your children first so i'm not having a go. I would like to see him in a few years and see if he's still 'Nasty'  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 13:45:12 GMT
I had a colt foal born many years ago that was a toad right from day one; I am an old established breeder with 50+ years of experience of horses and ponies, this colt foal would try to bite all the others underneath - he was constantly told off my all the mares, when it came to weaning I stabled him with the other colts as I do - he caused some quite serious injuries overnight - he was removed and stabled on his own - then he started running at me! and he really meant business - I put it down to him being a colt and had him gelded - no he was still the same - all along I had a headcoller on him and tied him up - with a fight - but no better after another 3 months - I put him to sleep - it wouldn't have been right to give him away or rehome him - he is the only one in 50 yrs of breeding / showing that I have to do this to. I think if you are a responsible breeder, it is our faults they are in this world and if they aren't safe then it is our responsibility to do the safest thing for all concerned, at least you know the end of them, they are not going round novice owners and sales.
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Post by lme on Oct 12, 2013 13:50:32 GMT
I've yet to meet a Nasty Evil youngster - we have 2 geldings both purchased as yearlings - we handled them everyday from day 1 - just caught, handled and then left to get on with it for the rest of the day for first 6 months - after that we slowly upped their education - slowley & patiently - one was a little sod not a good start (ex meat rescue)in life and it took 6 to catch and get in trailer when we picked him up - he lashed out but he was frightened and nervous not nasty! 6 years on he can still be a little unpredictable - hes opinionated not nasty but brilliant with kids- for me they are not born evil or nasty - what life deals them is what they become - I am glad the stud are taking him back for me its sounds as if he was never right for your situation - as you say you left him to get on with it - no problem there if on the ocasions you wanted to handle him you could - but each unsucessful attempt would only reenforce to him that to avoid having to do anything is to react in a way that prevents it- at the end of the day in the right hands with care I would expect he will come right - no certainties but I hope so - I can understand your concerns having a small child around and and the end of the day your childs saftey is the most important thing - I would be looking for an older more been there done that pony that all your family can enjoy initially.
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Post by ponytastic on Oct 12, 2013 14:34:42 GMT
Iv not so much put my hands up and said I can't control him. I haven't really tried. Iv been leaving him to his own devices living out. I tried to rug him but every time I tried to grab him (he has a head collar on) he ran at me. Like iv said previous if I never had a 3 yr old I'd keep him and give him the time he needs. But my son is always with me and comes in te field with me. And I'm not willing to take the chance of him getting injured. Don't know why you have put 'natsty' in commas like I'm exaggerating it. I'll get a video of him. Then see what you think Not once did I say you're exaggerating it. I understand where you're coming from and i'm not having a go at you. My pony (who i've had for 7 weeks now) was just like your lad at the beginning. She's 5 and she'd never being handled. Now she's happy to be stroked, accepts 'Kisses' and follows me around. At the beginning she would threaten to kick/bite me and put her ears back towards me. A few times I wondered if she was nasty but she just turned out to be terrified. I'm not saying your boy is terrified or nasty - I can't comment as I haven't seen him. I admire you for holding your hands up and saying you can't control him. You know when it's taken too far and now he's going back to his breeder where he will hopefully be rehomed to someone with experience of naughty youngsters. I'm not having a go at you. I put Nasty in commas because I am uncomfortable saying a pony i've never met is nasty No animal is born nasty so that's why I suggested he may be naughty or trying to dominate. What's his past like? |
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Post by ponytastic on Oct 12, 2013 14:55:37 GMT
Well in that case, i'm sorry. I am certain I read that you couldn't control him. If not, my mistake! I apologize. |
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Post by ponytastic on Oct 12, 2013 14:58:13 GMT
He seems very food protective!
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Post by ponytastic on Oct 12, 2013 14:58:55 GMT
Nope pony tastic I never put that I couldn't control him, must of been somewhere else you read it? Probably. I've being reading most of the forum's threads. I'm sorry for thinking you had said it. Entirely my fault! |
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Post by ponytastic on Oct 12, 2013 15:31:50 GMT
I would recommend gelding but he is already gelded! Naughty lad!
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Post by gillwales on Oct 12, 2013 17:04:46 GMT
if the choice was a child's safety or pts and there was no other option I know which choice I would make, no matter what I would never put any animal before my children, however this does high-light, if you have young children only take on what you can safely manage. I was not told he was like this when I took him on. Infcact breeder has said it's really out of character. If I didn't have a young child I would keep him. Jenna please do not think I was criticizing you, it was a response to another post on this thread. |
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Post by aengusog on Oct 12, 2013 17:37:01 GMT
Having viewed your video clip, Jenna, there are a few things you might do which will help with such a problem.
If I were feeding three ponies together, I'd space them out a bit more. I'd have each trug at points of a triangle, about twenty metres apart, and I'd occupy the middle of the triangle. There is always one horse which will try to steal others' feed, and I would concentrate on using body posture and positioning to dissuade the errant horse from approaching the others. I'd use any means to stop that horse robbing the others, and if that meant using a polythene feed bag or an empty bucket, so be it. The horse would soon learn that if he tried to leave his feed and dodge past me to harass the others, I'd become too dangerous for him. In a short space of time I would be able to control the horse by moving around and adjusting my demeanour based on his intentions to try to steal or to mind his own business.
In your situation, your young pony is more likely to be the one who is worried about the others stealing his feed, and this makes him very reactive to any approach (including yours) which seems to be a threat. By giving him more space, and keeping away any horses who have designs on his feed, you will help him to feel more secure, and he will see you as a controlling member of the company. That in itself will be part of a change in your mutual relationship.
If possible, it would be even better if you could feed your young pony seperately from the others. In such a situation, I would enter the area with the pony's feed and a plastic feed back behind my back. I'd approach the pony with the feed and, if he stood back, I'd lay it down and stand by it. If the pony stood off and had a nice attitude, I'd step backwards and allow him to approach. If his attitude was wrong, or if he charged me, I'd attack him and let him have the bag about his head and neck until I drove him back and away. He'd realise from that that I am too dangerous to attack. I'd then start again by offering the feed and, if necessary, repeat the lesson. If I got it right I'd probably not have to do it three times.
Then I'd be in a position to control the horse over his feed, and if he was nice about it I'd step away and allow him to feed. If he tried to bully me, I'd step in assertively and drive him back again. If he had a nice attitude I'd give him time and space to finish his feed and walk away, then I'd pick up the empty trug. Repeating this every day for a week or so would make a difference to your relationship. After that I'd work on establishing control of the pony by occasionally moving him off his feed and moving the trug a few yards before letting him return to it. The same rules apply; if he yields and is non-aggressive, he can feed in relative peace; if he tries to intimidate me, I drive him away.
Having your child's safety to the fore is very sensible and right. With a bit of work, your pony would probably become everything you want, but you'd have to be brave and committed to overwhelming any intention of his to intimidate you at the beginning, and that's not a scenario in which you could have a child around. It's amazing, though, how quickly young ponies will be change for the better once they've had a short sharp shock.
It's important to be fair in your treatment of a pony who is prone to undesirable behaviour, and you have to remember that it's only we who see it as 'bad' behaviour; the pony is only acting naturally in responce to the situation. You have to read the pony very closely, and immediately adjust your behaviour as his attitude dictates. If he is 'nice', you must treat him as if he was never not. That way he is encouraged to have a nice attitude, and you are not drawn into battle and reprimand. The pony has to learn to trust you.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 18, 2013 16:15:04 GMT
Hopefully, good for your boyfriend! Must admit, anything that gets bucket fed here comes in for it, I don't feed in the field ever since one (bought in) knocked me over in the rush.
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Post by aengusog on Oct 19, 2013 18:16:12 GMT
That's what was required to make the point. He may try you again, so be prepared to stand up to him, but that may be his attitude changed already.
Be assertive in your approaches until he is habitually inclined to yield to you. Then you can use passive and assertive as required to keep him sweet. He'll want to be with you, and he only gets to be with you if he's nice, so he becomes nice.
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