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Post by gillwales on Oct 14, 2013 18:42:34 GMT
if you are an experienced judge you will be able to tell the difference, in 95% of cases I would say it was, therefore when I judged it would not be penalised very heavily, opposed to being on the forehand or being behind the bit
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Post by Em5 on Oct 14, 2013 18:52:42 GMT
Should it be penalised if not corrected?! I think it should.
Another pet hate of mine is riders riding on the incorrect diagonal, what is judges opinion on this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 20:28:35 GMT
I've found some riders don't even change diagonal when they change the rein - it is something I notice! along with a few other things when I'm judging  |
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Post by Philippa on Oct 14, 2013 20:34:38 GMT
Diagonals are my pet hate.
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Post by vhaz20 on Oct 15, 2013 19:50:06 GMT
What is the answer shelliewilson?
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Post by Bonkers on Oct 17, 2013 10:26:11 GMT
On a young inexperienced pony I would say not, it is the riders job to correct.
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Post by lulah on Oct 17, 2013 10:42:10 GMT
On a young inexperienced pony I would say not, it is the riders job to correct. Agree here. My pony was driven for the first 5 years . When I backed him he was constantly pulling wrong legs - so then I had to over exagerate the canter aids. Now 2 years on hes more balanced, supple and knows his legs - whenever we pull a wrong leg I put it down my fault. |
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Post by sarahp on Oct 17, 2013 17:57:42 GMT
But they can throw wrong legs if they hurt somewhere and it's not treated.
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Post by gillwales on Oct 17, 2013 18:06:22 GMT
the trouble with the wrong leg is that it is an error that most people can recognise, one could say if the canter was balanced that it was a counter canter! How many could tell the difference?? I too dislike a rider being on the incorrect diagonal, however unless it is a best rider class should not be taken into account as it is the pony that is being judged, I do tend to mention it and will penalize if it has un-balanced the mount.
If I see a child give the wrong aide and the pony obey it's rider then it is a minor error... definitely pilot problems, if I see a child give the correct aide then I would penalize heavily, it is all down to being observant.
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 17, 2013 18:14:40 GMT
Surely if the pony was on the right bend it wouldnt wrong leg....so it all comes down to schooling and should be penalised
Wrong diagonal is a younger riders error??? So should be pointed out and taken into account against a similar aged child getting it right??
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d**ned either way as a judge lol
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Post by gillwales on Oct 17, 2013 18:19:38 GMT
well yes, but the pony should obey it's rider and not many riders ask for the correct bend or give the correct aides, the trouble is when you see the change of rein you will see riders bring back to trot and instead of counting an odd number of strides and asking for canter on the opposite lead they will ride their mount into the corner and hang onto the outside rein, hence they will get the incorrect lead in canter.
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 17, 2013 18:30:33 GMT
well yes, but the pony should obey it's rider and not many riders ask for the correct bend or give the correct aides[/quote hahaaaaa (sorry) |
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 17, 2013 18:32:31 GMT
omg did try to put sn'i'gger sn'i'gg'er ......but cant believeeeeeeeee what HG ap put that as
Luckily i was here to see
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Post by ikklecob on Oct 17, 2013 18:46:03 GMT
I have a very weak right leg and often my old pony would wrong leg because of this. She only did it with me not with her smaller rider or YO.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 17, 2013 21:19:47 GMT
I was no great shakes as a rider and crooked due to an out turned hip (conformation fault not bad habit), and I had a few lessons on my trainers retired Advanced Medium horse, brilliant schoolmaster, he did exactly what you gave the aids for. And no way would he counter canter for me, flying change every time because I couldn't sit square.
As said above - minefield for a judge!
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Post by vhaz20 on Oct 17, 2013 21:25:54 GMT
Shelliewilson has only made this thread to have a dig at someone as she is a very bitter lady
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Post by shelliewilson on Oct 17, 2013 23:00:45 GMT
Shelliewilson has only made this thread to have a dig at someone as she is a very bitter lady Its a simple question I was asking to see what everybodys opinion was on a riding issue ive seen alot of, if you dont like it u dont need to comment, really dont understand the bitter bit about asking this you sound like you evidently have problems with life! Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by shelliewilson on Oct 17, 2013 23:09:42 GMT
Dont get me wrong im not a brilliant rider either and dont claim to be lol, just wanted to see peoples opinions which is why this is called horse GOSSIP!
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Post by gillwales on Oct 18, 2013 6:44:39 GMT
I consider this a valid discussion, it has annoyed me for a long time as it tends to be the ringside spectators who are horrified at the wrong canter lead, an error not a fault in the majority of cases.
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Post by shelliewilson on Oct 18, 2013 7:47:27 GMT
I consider this a valid discussion, it has annoyed me for a long time as it tends to be the ringside spectators who are horrified at the wrong canter lead, an error not a fault in the majority of cases. Thank you gill I think its a valid discussion too! Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by sarahp on Oct 18, 2013 9:13:00 GMT
In a showing show a wrong lead is often, depending on the judge, enough to demote a pony from top end of line to nowhere, but in a dressage test each movement is marked separately so one wrong leg, quickly corrected, in an otherwise good test would not have such a dramatic result. I feel for show judges having to make one judgement on everything at once.
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Post by roxy93 on Oct 18, 2013 10:17:34 GMT
When i was younger i had a pony produced i would be top in my Hoys classes and it was my nerves that had me a wrong leg a lot!! Could punch myself now, as i was so nervous about being dropped down! Well the nerves won and if i didn't get the wrong leg i did the wrong diagonal and came back on myself!! Now that the nerves have gone and i am working with young horses it is vital that the rider schools correctly as looking at some horses they have to be rammed into a corner then yanked the right to strike correct on the right leg doesn't look neat at all or if not doing that hundred miles and hour from trot to canter! , people take the time at home to get a pony ready and everything will run smoothly but then again you never know the pony might slip and take on the wrong leg in the ring! If you know the ground is wet then take your show wide and take it a bit slower! They is a solution for everything and if you keep your head straight in the ring be fine! The correct leg and perfect show can be practiced and going perfect at home but you never know what might its all on the day!
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Post by vhaz20 on Oct 18, 2013 16:20:31 GMT
It's obvious your having a dig pathetic really as soon as you fall out with her you make that thread you have no idea how hard it is to ride a horse and try and get the best out of them as you only stand at the sideline and dish your orders out
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Post by shelliewilson on Oct 18, 2013 16:31:45 GMT
It's obvious your having a dig pathetic really as soon as you fall out with her you make that thread you have no idea how hard it is to ride a horse and try and get the best out of them as you only stand at the sideline and dish your orders out Vhaz I dont know who you are because you only created your account 3 days ago!!! So obviously your the bitter one about something as you wont even name who u actually are! All I can say is if the shoe fits and you feel like its a personal dig then you must be doing something wrong! wooopppiiee dooo I stand at the sideline so what is that of your buisness, I own a sec a and sec c pony who I would look ridiculous on in the ring being 5ft 10 and 10 stone 6 lol, but i do work my c at home! as ive stated already im not the best rider and woukd never claim to be, really far from it actually lol! I dont know what your issue is with this post as it doesn't say any names, so how can it be a personal dig at somebody??? Seriously u need to grow up this is horse gossip and a valid question!!! Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by Bonkers on Oct 19, 2013 7:02:09 GMT
Back to the actual thread, we all have our off days, nerves can get to the rider and the pony. If it's HOYS quals there is a lot lf pressure and a big atmosphere at large county shows, enough to knock the most wel schooled pony. I'd put it down to experience and look at what was done, eg how the pony was asked, was there too much outside bend etc. Majority of the time there is blame to be laid in many places.
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Post by LinsopStud on Oct 26, 2013 6:39:56 GMT
I only ever get a wrong lead in the show ring. Nerves all the way. It's the most frustrating thing ever as am not sure how I manage it! My boys never throw a wrong lead at home.
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Post by gillwales on Oct 26, 2013 6:58:48 GMT
one thing I would suggest is to school in an open field, most people school in a fenced menage which is very different to the summer show season. Also school with others around you, it will simulate showing conditions, learn to count the number of trot strides and to ask for the canter transition on an odd stride. Children can find this an easy method for canter change of rein as some are not strong enough to create the opposite bend with their legs.
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Post by girly on Oct 26, 2013 8:35:45 GMT
I am interested in all the comments about diagonals. When I was younger I was tought the BHS way to sit in time with the outside forelegs. I also had lessons with a couple of excellent continental instructors who tought us to sit in time with the outside hind-leg in order to free up the inside hind-leg to travel through. provided the rider is consistent and changes diagonals when changing bend does it really matter.
Wrong legs are such a bone of contention mainly because it is easy to recogise. I firmly believe that a wrong leg in a balanced pony going correctly that is quickly corrected should not be penalised as heavily as overbent ponies on their forehands or those with wrong bend or very unsteady heads.
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Post by LinsopStud on Nov 1, 2013 23:14:23 GMT
one thing I would suggest is to school in an open field, most people school in a fenced menage which is very different to the summer show season. Also school with others around you, it will simulate showing conditions, learn to count the number of trot strides and to ask for the canter transition on an odd stride. Children can find this an easy method for canter change of rein as some are not strong enough to create the opposite bend with their legs. I seem to suffer worse from it at Indoor winter shows more than in the summer, and I have an indoor to school in at home (and never get the wrong leg! Lol). Very hopeless of me! How does the counting help? |
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Post by gillwales on Nov 2, 2013 5:09:58 GMT
The counting helps because of the stride pattern, if you take an even amount of trot strides you will end up on the same leg, if you take an odd amount you will go onto the opposite lead, the same as changing diagonal in trot. Practice at home and see if I am correct!Do it on the straight so you are not influencing the bend in either direction, it will take some practice to do this and would be very difficult if not in a regular rhythm, however you would want a horse to have regular even paces, it is a basic of schooling. Some horses will evade this if they have a preferred leg, in which case to start of ride a series of tiny circles and ask for canter then, there is no choice but then to canter on the requested lead, however a novice or young rider would find this very difficult. For your horse if you do not get on with the counting try riding a shallow figure of 8 to change the canter lead, practice this at home and allow your horse to anticipate, ( you will just hope that you never get given this in a set show to maintain trot! ) So you are in canter, changing the rein and instead of riding straight across the diagonal, you supply ride a shallow S, transition down prior to X , a definite change of bend , then ask for the opposite lead in canter, try it and see if it helps Good luck |
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