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Post by ccragg on Mar 13, 2014 20:29:04 GMT
Please can someone help me with the PUK amateur rule to compete in the amateur RI class, My horse is being produced and ridden in HOYS and RI classes this season, can I ride in the amateur class as long as no producer assists me in the ring? Thanks x
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Post by aura on Mar 14, 2014 14:28:13 GMT
Yes that's right, as long as no producer rides your horse that day and does not help you in the ring you can enter that class.
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Post by Pepper on Mar 15, 2014 12:17:24 GMT
It's not clear from your post if you are riding the horse in the qualifiers, or the pro? But I was under the impression you lost amateur status if a pro competes your horse? Or is that just under SHB rules, rather Then PUK?
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Post by Showhunter on Mar 24, 2014 10:50:04 GMT
My understanding is the horse can be produced but not ridden by the producer at any show. If you are competing your horse at all the shows you can do the amateur classes.
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Post by melons on Mar 24, 2014 10:54:16 GMT
I spoke to puk who said horse can be ridden by a producer at other shows but no producers to enter ring in this class
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Post by Pepper on Mar 24, 2014 11:00:00 GMT
Is that right? I only compete hunters, and whilst you can have the horse produced for you, it can't be competed by a pro nor can they help you oin the ring on the day of an amateur class, or you lose status. If this is the PUK rule the I can understand the frustration!
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Post by Showhunter on Mar 24, 2014 11:36:30 GMT
I only compete hunters and I remember a show when a producer won the lightweight hunter class and then the owner rode the horse in the amateur class ( the producer did not enter the ring) the horse won and was subsequently stripped of the RI ticket in the amateur class. I am not up to date on PUK rules though just Sport horse GB
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Post by melons on Mar 24, 2014 12:22:31 GMT
I have just spoken again to puk. They assure me it is based on the rider in the ring on the day. And as long as they make no living from horses they are ok. I put it to them the scenario that could the same horse be ridden later in the day in a different class by a producer and they said that was ok x
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Post by roxy93 on Mar 24, 2014 12:26:13 GMT
I worked on a producers yars, the horse was a lightweight hunter won the ticket for HOYS and RI with the producer but the owner rode in the amateur classes and never had a problem, as long as they worked the horse in themselves and the producer did not help them they were fine.
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Post by Pepper on Mar 24, 2014 13:33:36 GMT
Just for the sake of clarity for those reading, that's definitely not the rule for Hunters under SHB now.
The current rule book states "...show a horse which a professional rider has ridden in any hunter classes during the current year.... unless change of ownership"
But for PUK, if that is the case then I really feel for the HP people
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Post by vgs on Mar 26, 2014 19:55:59 GMT
I didn't realise amateur meant the animal could actually be produced, I did realise on Saturday at show after I had paid my entry fee.
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Post by Pepper on Mar 27, 2014 8:31:13 GMT
Its an area of great contention Moss - I actually sit quite squarely on the fence.... I was home produced for years in between my job, did all myself; driver, cook, groom and rider! - got to HOYS and RIHS with my HWT Hunter. Then I had twins! - my hwt was very tricky and very sharp, he had to be worked and it was tough. First season I tried it alone from home, we qualified RI, came second and were on song for HOYS and then he threw me at a show and I smashed my right ankle. Not great timing as the twins had just started to walk!!
I realised the risk I was taking doing it all alone so I saved all winter and the following season I had him produced for me - it was safer and more reassuring to my family. I also had young children and a job to think about. Up shot was we sold him end of that season - he is hunting now and LOVES it - the tricky show horse is now a happy hunter in a job he loves, and I have a very sane MWT I can produce from home :-)
Anyway.... I think the crux lies with RI / HOYS - I'd love to see a points system to recognise consistently placed home produced horses or something like the Tagg La Liga or a wild card ticket to the three most consistently placed home produced amateur horses. Wouldn't that shake the bag up!
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Post by abigail on Mar 27, 2014 8:51:48 GMT
What is the point of having these classes ? Might as well just have open classes and home produced not an in between :/
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Post by clobo121082 on Mar 27, 2014 9:48:23 GMT
The amateur classes originally started in horse classes where I think they were a really good idea as most riders were professional and it is often very hard going up against them. i guess now m&ms have moved more into this area so I think the idea of these classes (apart from making money ;-0) would be to offer people a chance not to compete against professionals. Contrary to what a lot of people believe not everyone who has ponies produced do so as they have loads of money and don't want to do it themselves. Amateur caters for those people and home produced.
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Post by bubbles1822 on Apr 2, 2014 22:12:30 GMT
I also feel that it is a half way class not really designed for anyone.... It's just like any other open class... The ponies in there that are being produced are known by too many people to really give the non produced ponies a chance. (I know some people disagree with this, but from a spectators point of view this is how it looks)
The ponies uk rule for amateurs states the rider can't have had any training since 1st august 2013 (I think) I am not sure too many people would match this... Most have lessons or take advice or go to training clinics... Surely this would fall in there. And if a pony was being produced the higher chance of the amateur rider receiving training surely?
Anyway we aren't competing these classes this year due to having babies to have fun with!!
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Post by foxylady on May 20, 2015 20:46:58 GMT
Please can someone tell me if I have understood this correctly . I could own a pony that I was I was paying to have produced for the season and ridden by the said producer to pick up certain qualifications for NPS , BSPS etc but yet my daughter or daughters friend could jump on and ride in the PUK Amateurs class because they are at college etc and all this could take place at one show . I haven't done any PUK for awhile and now I can see why I feel really sorry for HP competitors .
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Post by bugs on May 21, 2015 10:13:12 GMT
The professional must not be with the pony for any reason on the day of competition, to ride, groom, train, prepare etc. But the producer/professional can prepare it all year round just not on the day of the amateur class.
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Post by clobo121082 on May 26, 2015 11:36:43 GMT
But this class it isn't a HP class. That is what the RI Pretty Polly classes are for. HP already have a class at the RIHS, amateurs are different. These classes are always huge and full of fantastic animals so they must be doing something right x
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