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Post by teddydog on Aug 1, 2014 6:17:08 GMT
This is the whole reason this entire rule mess needs ALL society's to sit down and sort. The rules for each society are different and they now need to sit round a table together and sort this out but I have been told by someone in the know that the BSPS won't take part!! Why is a question because they want to interpret all rules their way!!? As for the comments about the lose of the HOYS ticket above the said pony had not been in the judges yard for 6 years and had been owned for 4.5yrs by my friends neither the owners knew of the judges connection with pony and the judge didn't recognise the pony (it is now 13 yrs old). How can this possibly be held up as an offence after all this time it is ludicrous and by the rule book the judge is the one that's supposed to ask the pony to leave the ring!!! And as for the person who complained (who's identity is known as the BSPS had to release it) I just think are the lowest of the low (also like to mention that person walked up to my friend at RI 2 days ago and started shouting and screaming at her trying to say he had nothing to do with it leaving a badly shaken lady and a young girl in tears and it was over heard by several people who are pushing to report him just shows how low people will go for a HOYS ticket) This is the sort of thing perhaps that could be prevented if the rules are revisited and sorted.
Showing council and society's get your acts together before you kill off the sport we all work so hard to do and finance!!!
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Post by gentian on Aug 1, 2014 8:47:56 GMT
Sadly teddydog he is known for his intimidating behaviour-he has neighbours who are terrified about going to the local shops for fear of bumping into them and they now in fact avoid most of the shows he attends. I have put my money where my mouth is and have reported him and i suggest every one else does the same. And the jmb need bringing to attention just how big his pony is too.....
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Post by Still confused on Aug 1, 2014 11:45:33 GMT
Teddydog and TSR Help ..............Still confused I'm afraid. OK TSR helpfully clarifies that HOYS qualifiers are judged under HOYS rules. HOYS rules do have a "Judge mustn't have produced / be connected rule", but this has a sensible time limit on it (am I correct so far?). So therefore then, how come BSPS rules applied in this case to a HOYS qualifier that was judged, as I understand, as all HOYS qualifiers are, under HOYS rules???
I do feel that to preserve the future of showing, it would be wonderful if all the societies could sign up to a simple set of rules - quite understand that one size doesn't necessarily fit all, and I'm sure the societies could amend / add to suit their specific aims / type / age of competitor. But the basics such as - judges connection, qualifiers passing down (ie all HOYS classes pass down to say 4th etc)Home produced, Amat status, need of JMB cert, dare I say hats etc! Would really help all - Competitors, Show secretaries, Spectators, Societies. I mean how many times on social media do we see threads regarding rule breaks or questions about confusion of rules - no wonder rules are broken its such a mindfield as it stands
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Post by janetbushell on Aug 1, 2014 15:06:47 GMT
Still confused - this thread has nothing to do with me but if you check the HOYS rules under "qualifying shows & final" rule iv in my opinion there is no time limit if the animal has been produced by the judge
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Post by Still confused on Aug 1, 2014 17:35:52 GMT
Thank you Janet. In that case then, why was the ticket taken away?
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Post by Read the rules on Aug 1, 2014 22:32:24 GMT
If you read the HOYS rules - Judges 2 (iv) it is clear that if a pony have ever been produced by a judge they cannot judge them, so what is the problem, it isn't a BSPS conspiracy, it is a basic rule.
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Post by janetbushell on Aug 2, 2014 5:20:33 GMT
still confused - according to my interpretation of teddydog's post, the judge had had the disqualified pony on their yard, and there is no time limit on this rule ie this animal can never be judged by this particular judge - the time limit concerns other animals or riders connected to the exhibitor of the disqualified pony.
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Post by chloesmum on Aug 2, 2014 8:21:11 GMT
Totally agree with Readthe Rules - how is this a BSPS Conspiracy? I have always understood the rule to be very clear that if you have ever owned or produced a pony - made financial gain from pony that you cannot judge it (I believe this also now includes ridden as well). I personally see the sense in this rule - it opens up all sorts of issues if you judge a pony you have had dealings with. I totally accept Teddydogs comments re having a system so an owner knows as I am sure in many cases people do enter under a judge without knowing that many years ago they had a connection, the same as many judges may not recognise a pony they perhaps had in the yard several years ago. Personally I believe keep rules simple - No financial gain, no time limit the more we seem to complicate the rules the more open they are to abuse or innocent breaking! The new Pretty Polly rules are confusing me already!!
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Post by Annoying rules on Aug 3, 2014 11:50:04 GMT
How am I supposed to find out who has ever had a connection to my horse? This is crazy! A time limit needs to be set otherwise anyone can claim that so and so had a connection . Simple time limit and integrity, that is all it takes. In the case being discussed the owners had no idea about the connection and hadn't won because of it, I fact they had a three legged conf score!! Obviously the connection wasn't helping so what is the issue???
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Post by devster on Aug 3, 2014 17:28:34 GMT
OMG what are you people like? This is how witch hunts start!! Teddydog.. May I suggest that before you come on here commenting on this and spouting all kinds of stuff and nonsense, that firstly you A. Get your facts straight B. Stop making nasty and vindictive comments about a persons integrity C. Re read point A You say that your friend has written to the BSPS via a solicitor to find out who the person was that made a complaint against your friends pony getting it's HOYS ticket taken away.. So at this point you still have no name.. You are guessing by putting two and two together that the guilty person is the guy that YOU seem to be the guilty suspect!! How do you know that it was him? At this moment you have no concrete proof, yet here you are blatantly slating him all over this site, Facebook, and probably any other social media website you go on!! Until the true facts come out, maybe these pathetic actions taken upon yourselves and everyone jumping on the bandwagon (Gentian) are best left alone as it only causes more unrest and upset than is deemed necessary?
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Post by teddydog on Aug 3, 2014 18:37:59 GMT
Devster. A the above facts about rules and the situation is nothing but current. B no one has been named and no show etc. just the FACTS. C as a
We do have the name of the person as supplied so no guessing work is needed!! No further comment needed on that one and by the way what I say on Facebook is for my friends and myself only as I have strict security settings and have again not mentioned any names. And most importantly perhaps the person should not have made an approach at RI and if was completely innocent would have been better keeping quite.
I wrote the above to help answer and help the person that started the thread. I will make no further comments.
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