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Post by kateanne0 on Oct 10, 2016 9:14:24 GMT
Which horses were forward for the supreme horse of the year please?
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Post by joules on Oct 10, 2016 9:53:58 GMT
We have the same problem as you hairycobrider, my grandaughter missed all of her FR years because she was so tall, she also rides a full up Sec C , she also looks to big on a full up Sec B, she wants to give up competing as she is not confident enough to ride in the open C & D classes
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Post by volatis on Oct 10, 2016 10:49:50 GMT
Did anyone take a photo of the mark sheets for the coloured sections?
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Post by Toaster on Oct 10, 2016 12:28:41 GMT
Firstly thank you so much to everyone for all the fantastic updates - However I am a little lost with the Junior M & M only being open to Small Breeds - I queried this and they said they want to keep FR but it is for children not yet ready to compete with adults - how does my child fair from an age point of view she has until 31st Dec 2017 in FR but from a height point of view she is well out of the class - she is currently riding a 13hh Welsh Sec C - she would be to tall for a 13hh Welsh Sec B. Can someone please tell me I'm not the only one with a tall child !! Just wondered what other peoples thoughts are - given that RIHS accomodates juniors on smalls and large They have to start somewhere to test the waters when introducing classes I suppose. After yesterday I would be amazed if they don't introduce a large breeds class next year. The class yesterday was (I thought) a success
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Post by chloesmum on Oct 10, 2016 13:29:05 GMT
Having won this first ever class obviously we were thrilled and believed from the outset of this season that Flute was the 'perfect' Junior pony in our eyes anyway. I agree they have to start somewhere and when the class was first announced I had some questions as to how it would pan out. I understand the concept to give younger riders a chance when they may be competing against adults, and I totally agree that actually it is harder for the tall young children on large breeds. How another class would be introduced is a big question, have they the time? Timetable is so tight already with classes starting at 6.45 a.m. How would you split the qualifiers with potentially 7 breeds? They split the small breeds into 3 qualifiers - maybe they could be combined if introducing a large breed section as well? Finally as some people have commented will this just be another class for those that have already qualified? I have lost my catalogue (gutted!) but at a guess I believe there were several ponies who had qualified in the First Ridden and or Open classes as well. Some riders also competed in the Open classes (I know they had to choose between FR and Junior so some had second riders). If this is a true Junior Class I think there should be a clear distinction between First Ridden and Open and not the same ponies thus opening it up for more. Our pony only competed in this class as we think this is really where he sits, also Birckenbrook Juliet who was 3rd (sorry with no catalogue not sure about pony who was 2nd). It was a very popular class, I hope it is reviewed and I am sure it will grow in popularity but I hope not at the expense of the Open classes which need to remain as a showcase of our Open Native breeds, personally I thought it was sad they cut the qualifiers for the Open Small Breeds/A's and B's and I feel this would be a very unpopular move if it happened to the larger breeds as well. I am sure this will be debated elsewhere as this is a results thread.
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Post by sparkysunny on Oct 10, 2016 15:15:50 GMT
How about having 2 height sections for the Junior Ridden - maybe 13hh and under and then 13hh - 14.2hh? Wouldn't it be nice to allow larger ponies and maybe up the age limit for jockeys in the larger section? Just a thought...
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Post by Toaster on Oct 10, 2016 15:37:43 GMT
How about having 2 height sections for the Junior Ridden - maybe 13hh and under and then 13hh - 14.2hh? This was suggested at the TSR meeting in spring, it was pointed out that it would be a really good option for small section C ponies for example
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 10, 2016 16:58:46 GMT
I've heard/read some murmurings of discontent from a few people who were happy with the top few placing in the LR and FR classes but unhappy with ponies lower down the line up who behaved badly being put above well behaved ponies ...safety etc?
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Post by Toaster on Oct 10, 2016 18:06:49 GMT
I've heard/read some murmurings of discontent from a few people who were happy with the top few placing in the LR and FR classes but unhappy with ponies lower down the line up who behaved badly being put above well behaved ponies ...safety etc? There was definitely one that caused a ripple of comments in the FR SP class when it was placed as it had been very unsettled in line I felt desperately sorry for the young child rider who did her very best and I hope she is young enough for any disapproving comments not to reach her and tarnish her day
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 10, 2016 18:26:25 GMT
Totally agree that no child should be involved in "pony politics" or hear ANYTHING that could affect their very special day....personally though I do feel judges should acknowledge this is a very young child's class and how ponies behave should reflect their result...but thats just my opinion
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Post by Toaster on Oct 10, 2016 18:44:45 GMT
Totally agree that no child should be involved in "pony politics" or hear ANYTHING that could affect their very special day....personally though I do feel judges should acknowledge this is a very young child's class and how ponies behave should reflect their result...but thats just my opinion yes absolutely I understand what you are saying however I am not sure what the protocol would be The judge will be looking the wrong way a good 75% of the time, if a pony does its show first and a mark is given then it subsequently misbehaves in line what would happen? the mark could be adjusted but then you get the Chinese whisper and conspiracy theorist brigade out in force not to mention the wrath of the parent who points out that the pony went foot perfect in its show. you could place the pony then send it out however what if it then behaves in the rosette line up? difficult situation and I suppose the only real answer is to pass the pony over completely regardless of marks
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Post by gillwales on Oct 10, 2016 19:18:35 GMT
Totally agree that no child should be involved in "pony politics" or hear ANYTHING that could affect their very special day....personally though I do feel judges should acknowledge this is a very young child's class and how ponies behave should reflect their result...but thats just my opinion yes absolutely I understand what you are saying however I am not sure what the protocol would be The judge will be looking the wrong way a good 75% of the time, if a pony does its show first and a mark is given then it subsequently misbehaves in line what would happen? the mark could be adjusted but then you get the Chinese whisper and conspiracy theorist brigade out in force not to mention the wrath of the parent who points out that the pony went foot perfect in its show. you could place the pony then send it out however what if it then behaves in the rosette line up? difficult situation and I suppose the only real answer is to pass the pony over completely regardless of marks The only way you can get over this is to have a 3rd Judge who deducts marks for all misbehaviors in the line up, you cannot expect the show judge have eyes in the back of their head.
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Post by maxandpaddy on Oct 10, 2016 21:23:47 GMT
Yep totally agree, yet another minefield to police plus so much harder to handle with it being a children's class. Like I said I wasn't there, saw nothing online, just read some rumblings so wondered what others on here did see xxx
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Post by Philippa on Oct 10, 2016 21:28:34 GMT
I've commented on this subject on the guests (yes suprised suprise) post so won't repeat myself.
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Oct 11, 2016 11:37:20 GMT
My issue with the juniors which doesnt affect me or anyone in my family is that to be a junior class it shouldnt penalise FR kids. IMO if a pony qualifies in an open class it should be allowed to do a junior, as the kid is obviously quite good enough to compete against the adults. I feel penalising FR kids that qualify in both the FR and the junior doesnt do the class justice where is the step between a fr and an open class then there isnt one
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Post by Pepper on Oct 13, 2016 12:50:26 GMT
I learnt an interesting thing the other day from my dear friend was a prolific producer and is still a respected judge. If she had a big glass and something lower down the pull really stood out to her in its ride or conformation, she would actually ask the competitor to move up the line a few places so when she assessed the final line, this was already reflected in the line in front of her.
I've never seen or heard of this being done, it certainly isn't in the rules - but perhaps could be mildly adopted in these instances, if pony significantly misbehaved in the line, it could be dropped a few places?
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Post by Philippa on Oct 13, 2016 12:57:36 GMT
I learnt an interesting thing the other day from my dear friend was a prolific producer and is still a respected judge. If she had a big glass and something lower down the pull really stood out to her in its ride or conformation, she would actually ask the competitor to move up the line a few places so when she assessed the final line, this was already reflected in the line in front of her. I've never seen or heard of this being done, it certainly isn't in the rules - but perhaps could be mildly adopted in these instances, if pony significantly misbehaved in the line, it could be dropped a few places? Quite a few of the welsh in hand judges judge this way, when youve a large class of ponies its easy to miss one so to replace as they do their individual shows is an easier way to judge.
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Post by chloesmum on Oct 13, 2016 14:24:03 GMT
Sorry for being flippant perky but just love the typo - 'big glass'!!!!! I am with her on this one, think you need one especially when faced with loads of lovely little lead rein ponies! LOL!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 13, 2016 15:26:52 GMT
Ahh Perky, the 'good old days'!! Yes, it was done. It was great to be pulled up on a good show.
But, marks is marks these days (more's the pity) and unless one is judging without them (eg: in hand / Hack / Cob / RH-not-at-HOYS for example), it is not relevant any more.
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Post by Pepper on Oct 14, 2016 11:22:33 GMT
Ha ha Chloes mum - that was a good typo!
Good point Caroline, with mark I suppose that does rather change things. You probably know my friend - Moggy Hennessy?!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 14, 2016 12:12:56 GMT
Ha ha Chloes mum - that was a good typo! Good point Caroline, with mark I suppose that does rather change things. You probably know my friend - Moggy Hennessy?! I do indeed! And Sally. Was delighted to catch up briefly at E'fest /P(UK) on the Saturday evening this year. And, for what it's worth, this photo of Bumble & me was taken at Suffolk County when I lived near Woodbridge back in the '90's. (Pic taken by Antony Reynolds; he was still living near Diss then).
Sheep Judges tend to shuffle the line-up around like that. (once placed in a line, sheep are handled by the Judge, which can of course reveal good and bad points). It is literally 'shuffle' with the moving of sheep!
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Post by Pepper on Oct 14, 2016 12:26:02 GMT
Did I meet you then? - was with Mog at Equifest and the PUK party and had dinner pre her judging the supreme??
What a small world when you have 'user names' not real names on these forums! Hi Ii'm Cerys and Perky is my mwt hunter nothing else having had twins ha ha!!)
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 14, 2016 12:51:55 GMT
Did I meet you then? - was with Mog at Equifest and the PUK party and had dinner pre her judging the supreme?? What a small world when you have 'user names' not real names on these forums! Hi Ii'm Cerys and Perky is my mwt hunter nothing else having had twins ha ha!!) Thi is somewhat deviating from the HOYS Sunday thread but yes, I believe you did. I was at the P(UK) party. With, among others, Helen & Stephanie Turner. Was chatting (actually, about the dire state of the temporary stable industry!!) with Betsy Branyan, Susannah Welby and the Appells at around the time Moggie & I bumped into each other.
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Post by Pepper on Oct 14, 2016 15:14:06 GMT
It is yes. Sorry OP I remember now. How funny!
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