kirky
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Post by kirky on Nov 22, 2016 13:49:15 GMT
My horse was diagnosed with grade 3 ulcers earlier this year, he was treated by vet but unfortunately they have come back twice and has been treated by vet twice. Am hoping that they are ok now but I've gone through all my insurance money and I really don't want to starve him for yet another scope so am looking for something sensibly priced that I can keep him on it long term for prevention but if they do come back can also treat the ulcers therefore I was wondering if anyone has successfully treated their horse by using as supplement. He is currently on Acid Ease, which he has been on for some time now but from what I can understand this doesn't heal only assists with easing the acid build up. Would be really lovely to hear your thoughts as don't want to go down the route of wasting money as there are so many remedies out there but with no scientific proof they work. The one I do know that is an absolute no-no is turmeric as that did irritate and give him pain.
Just for information my horse has never had hard feed, is on a high fibre diet which includes hi-fi lite and has ab lib hay, daily turnout in winter and out at night during the summer months. He isn't out 24/7 as he's a good doer and would end up like the size of a house. All other areas have been checked for pain and have been ruled out. Many thanks.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Nov 22, 2016 18:11:26 GMT
Hi Kirky - mine had grade 2's - but otherwise sounded like yours. Instead of using hi-fi lite I use the Alfa lite - I used to use the hi-fi lite, but found that straight Alfa was definitely better. However, I used Protexin Acid-Ease which was a major help (obviously that hasn't worked for you) - I didn't go back for a scope to see if they had gone, as the vet's advised against it. Have a look on the Dengie site - it definitely helped her. (We put her on regumate as it was thought hormonal at first - boy did that put her through the roof!) Not sure what else to suggest - though charcoal is supposed to help. I would definitely start with the alfa lite though. Good luck, bloody ulcers are so difficult to sort, particulary when you have a good doer! ETA - I had done my research about Alfa prior to looking on the dengie site, and it has excellent buffering qualities. I suppose it depends whereabouts the ulcers are, as to how easy they are to treat. Have you had a chat with the guys at Protexin?
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Post by ponymum on Nov 23, 2016 10:31:35 GMT
Ive heard that slippery elm helps coat the walls of the stomach so helps ease the pain of the ulcers. It really is a minefield regarding ulcers and if only the horses could talk we probably would be able to get to the root of why they occur. Good Luck and I hope you manage to find something that helps xx
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Post by kirky on Nov 23, 2016 11:11:08 GMT
Thanks for the replies, glad to see I'm not the only one going mad with this. I have already spoken with Protexin what I was told though is the effects of Acid Ease lasts for eight hours so you need to give it more often that just twice a day. I've looked at loads of products but that latest I have seen is H Bradshaw's Coligone you can also get the syringe which helps in times of need. Has anyone ever used this or heard anything about it.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Nov 23, 2016 17:42:35 GMT
Thanks for the replies, glad to see I'm not the only one going mad with this. I have already spoken with Protexin what I was told though is the effects of Acid Ease lasts for eight hours so you need to give it more often that just twice a day. I've looked at loads of products but that latest I have seen is H Bradshaw's Coligone you can also get the syringe which helps in times of need. Has anyone ever used this or heard anything about it. That's interesting Kirky - they didn't tell me that - in fact last year the suggestion (from them) was to try it rather than go down the scope route as they were that confident in the product fed twice daily!! I really would try the alfa route though as the buffering qualities are good.
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Post by kirky on Nov 23, 2016 22:24:40 GMT
It was my vet that recommended it along with a couple of others and because I was already using the gut balancer I went down their route. Like you I fed twice a day until I phoned them and that's when they said for optimum effect it lasts for 8 hours. Unfortunately Alfa on it's own is too much for my guy, it was Leahurst that said hi-fi lite would be ok because the alfa in it would help with the buffering. I also give it to him prior to riding. Honestly the more you look into it the more confusing it gets and the trouble is we don't have time for trial and error or the expense that goes with it. It would be so much easier if they could talk rather than the sign language they can only offer, they do try so hard.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Nov 25, 2016 16:38:01 GMT
It's a nightmare until you get something that works. I have found that what worked best for Nik is scoop of alfa lite morning and night with a scoop before riding or travelling, and she gets saracen shape up balancer. During stressful times we put her back on acidease. I will say however, that when she was treated last year for the ulcers, the big difference to her was when we put her on the Protexin, so it may be that it was the thing which worked for her. Good luck and all I can do is offer a sympathetic ear!
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Post by gillwales on Nov 27, 2016 14:57:34 GMT
Contact Bristol University, many years ago they were doing research into a suppliment for suffers of ulcersk or crib bit? If he does I would not use a collar as this habit is a way for them to get relief by sucking in cold air. If something works will you post here to help someone else. Good luck
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Post by ponymum on Nov 28, 2016 10:52:48 GMT
I agree they do things to ease the pain , but if only we could get to the root of what was causing the pain ...
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Post by gillwales on Nov 28, 2016 11:51:18 GMT
I agree they do things to ease the pain , but if only we could get to the root of what was causing the pain ... Unfortunally I do not think there is a cure for ulcers in horses, which is much the same with humans, once the lining of the stomach is damaged the acid in the stomach, which breaks down the food, causes havoc, however, the same for humans, diet can help relieve it. avoid feeding apples and stick to the old rule : little and often. However if anyone has heard of any new treatments that do heal an ulcer I qould be very interested to know of it.
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Post by kirky on Nov 29, 2016 11:17:03 GMT
It sure is a minefield and the more you look into it the worse it gets. Good idea about ringing the university, I will do that. Trying Coligone when it arrives and see what happens there. Should have taken up knitting!!!!!
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Post by nancy1234 on Dec 2, 2016 11:53:20 GMT
Hello, I have 17 syringes of peptizole for sale as no longer any use to me. this is what the vets use to treat ulcers. if they have come back they wont go without treating them.
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Post by kirky on Dec 2, 2016 12:09:00 GMT
Hi I have sent you a message
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Post by nancy1234 on Dec 2, 2016 12:49:02 GMT
Iv messaged you
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Post by jonic on Jan 5, 2017 22:34:45 GMT
Hi Anna at Top Spec is very helpful she advised on feed when I first got my T.b who had previously had ulcers and was under weight and Windsucked in less than 12 months he regained weight and now looks amazing . Good luck Jo
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Post by gillwales on Jan 13, 2017 5:50:32 GMT
I do think that good quality grass helps without any haardfeed. My stallion who obviously had ulcers, althogh he was never scoped, did not crib bit when out without hard feed and gained weight, it was when he was in after about 6 weeks of feed that he started to crib. This is by my observation and it might not help with yours, but sprong is on the way so could be worth a try.
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Post by lucymay on Jan 13, 2017 9:56:55 GMT
Kirky, how are you getting on with the Coligone?
I have just put a pony on this who altho hasn't been scoped does act like she has ulcers and her behaviour has improved since putting her on coligone and after only 2 days on it I could tighten the roller up without her pawing and face pulling, seems to be helping her :-)
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Post by jonic on Jan 15, 2017 18:46:15 GMT
Hi Gillwales Yes my man has lived out all summer looks great but since he has now been getting stabled his acid seems to of kicked off again but can't leave him out due to mud fever which he get s badly although I've got it under control again it's a vicious circle but think on reflection next year I will be leaving him out once I find a suitable field. I have got him on acid ease so would welcome any feed back on this product he's been on it a week not seen any changes as yet . Jo
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Post by comanchediva on Jan 15, 2017 22:48:27 GMT
Kirky, how are you getting on with the Coligone? I have just put a pony on this who altho hasn't been scoped does act like she has ulcers and her behaviour has improved since putting her on coligone and after only 2 days on it I could tighten the roller up without her pawing and face pulling, seems to be helping her :-) Lucymay are you syringing or mixing with feed? The website is a bit ambiguous. Glad to hear your mare is feeling better x
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Post by lucymay on Jan 16, 2017 21:39:07 GMT
Gave her a syringe to boast her on the 1st day then put her on the powder as I couldn't get hold of any liquid from any shops and wanted to get started asap so didn't want to wait to order over the internet. I have now got hold of some liquid which she is now on as finished the powder that I had but will be returning to the powder once this liquid has gone as easier to deal with! :-)
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