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Post by catkin on Sept 8, 2017 13:11:23 GMT
Now that the High Flyer catalogue is out, it has got me wondering if the change in date will make any difference at all to what is entered and who is going. Post-HOYS is certainly a help to those going. A bit later gives more time for weaning foals. Genuinely interested to see how it works out!
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Post by Philippa on Sept 8, 2017 13:47:22 GMT
Not looked at HF catalogue yet but personally I'm gutted it's later and a lot of ponies will be clipped as they will be out of coat.
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Post by Philippa on Sept 8, 2017 13:53:51 GMT
Just looked at catalogue. Hmmmm 😳😳
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Post by chloesmum on Sept 8, 2017 15:35:11 GMT
It also clashes with Heritage I believe?
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Post by Philippa on Sept 8, 2017 17:38:21 GMT
It also clashes with Heritage I believe? Yes it does. Can't see what the problem is having it in September like it used to be. I don't know, Terry retires and it all goes to pot!!!! |
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Post by catkin on Sept 10, 2017 10:26:25 GMT
I think we need to give it a chance. I can definitely see some benefits.
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Post by ponymum on Sept 11, 2017 9:04:04 GMT
I think we do need to give the new date a chance , hopefully they can try and re schedule the next one for a weekend that doesnt clash with Heritage.
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Post by bfb99 on Sept 11, 2017 17:53:05 GMT
I think it will make a difference to the trade of ridden / potential ridden ponies due to the clash with the Heritage Champs. All the producers will be at Heritage due to all the Olympia tickets on offer and pretty much anyone with natives under saddle will be there too. I think it's a shame to clash but I assume there was nothing that could be done about it?
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Post by Philippa on Sept 11, 2017 18:09:21 GMT
It should have been checked though so as not to clash with something like heritage champs. After all that's what they are selling!!!! I vote for it to go back to September.
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Post by kareen on Sept 13, 2017 7:59:35 GMT
From an abroad point of view it would have been great to get the two events one week apart. Thus it could save us foreign buyers a ton of travel costs which could go towards ponies rather than Flybe, the rental car, hotel or ferry people  I loved the old date end of September and from the looks of the Highflyer catalogue alone it appears to become quite the Section A- and youngstock festival so who said the clash with Heritage would have an impact looks to have been on the right track there. More time for weaning is nice especially because some foals I've seen going through F.O. in the past were mighty young to wean which is never such a good start especially when they have a lengthy transport ahead of themselves. That being said I do agree the new date needs a fair chance so we should probably wait and see how it goes. I've found some super ponies at F.O. in the past and won't stop coming just because it's a few weeks later. Having both events a week apart is probably a logistic nightmare but would help foreign buyers a great deal as it's easier for most to do one trip and stay a little longer. Plus if foreign buyers fly around the countryside for a week with nothing else to do they are very likely to visit studs privately thus extra sales opportunities could come up for Welsh breeders who decided to attend Heritage instead of F.O. so from the WPCS pov I think that would be a perfect scenario. |
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Post by catkin on Sept 18, 2017 15:07:33 GMT
Kareen, interesting point on the two sales. Hadn't thought of that!
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Post by kareen on Sept 19, 2017 14:49:18 GMT
Catalogue should be out next week. Can't wait  |
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Post by delbel on Sept 19, 2017 19:53:56 GMT
I think the sales are something to look forward to after the shows so sooner the better for me ha not sure why the change of date but even more disappointed about hay sale being over a month later and I doubt I'll be interested in going at that point expect it might be bloody freezing  it's getting more and more expensive with diesel parking hook up etc plus 10% buyers commission, I bought my medal winner at clywd sale last year, the quality has vastly improved in the last couple of years, so for FO I might just stop at home and watch on the live stream lol |
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Post by kareen on Sept 20, 2017 9:11:45 GMT
When was a 10% buyer's commission installed? I think last time I went I still paid 6% plus VAT on the commission which is far from 10%? I would think auctioneers have paid a massive toll over the last few years because many lots didn't meet their reserve when the prices went south with the credit crunch and all. Expenses have gone up for everybody not just buyers but also the breeders with the passporting fees and the idiotic mandatory microchipping requirement.
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Post by Carrots&Mints on Sept 20, 2017 10:40:39 GMT
Just booked the hotel - cant wait! Although I'm sure it'll be a lot colder this year being a bit later on! Best pack my thermals!
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Post by delbel on Sept 20, 2017 16:15:24 GMT
Been 10% buyers premium for a couple of years now at the official Welsh sales, think hay is still 6%, very greedy IMO x
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Post by catkin on Sept 21, 2017 10:39:13 GMT
I imagine the expense of running a sale somewhere like Builth is pretty steep though?
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Post by delbel on Sept 21, 2017 20:10:21 GMT
Of course but the vendor pays a high entry fee plus commission the buyer pays commission spectators pay for parking and sales catalogues, I not aware of any other sales where you pay 10% or even the vendor paying commission just a fee to enter but I might be wrong on that one. It's a lovely place to hold a sale probably the best but we all pay to attend one way or another x
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Post by kareen on Sept 22, 2017 12:26:58 GMT
You're right. Just gone through some of my old catalogues. The 2012 one still has the 6%. The 2016 one has 10.
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Post by delbel on Sept 23, 2017 9:37:04 GMT
Lol just got the catalogue and pedestrians are charged £5 entry I've bot known that before but could be wrong x
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Post by Philippa on Sept 23, 2017 12:53:24 GMT
Is that £5 per person or per car?? They’ve always charged £5 car parking daily but if it’s per person it’s just getting silly.
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Post by telmorsidestud on Sept 23, 2017 21:11:40 GMT
no catalogue say pedestrian access £5 per person and day parking is £10
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Post by Philippa on Sept 24, 2017 7:46:30 GMT
Omg that's extortionate. How much has the weekend parking gone up to then??? I've ordered catalogue but not got it yet.
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Post by delbel on Sept 24, 2017 11:32:06 GMT
As a non vendor - day parking £10 - overnight £15 or £25 for duration - hostel stay parking £10 - pedestrian access £5, other than pedestrians you get £5 back if you buy something, but less for vendors
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Post by monsoon on Sept 24, 2017 15:46:01 GMT
Fayre oaks has always been in September, and foals were weaned, remember at hereford loads of foals were weaned and looked well, moving the date has affected foal show entries, clashing with heritage championship , I think the dwindling numbers is due to several factors including less breeding and also the entry fees for fayre oaks for foals, breeders are selling at other sales especially when other sale entries range from £5 per pony (£3) for welsh a foals at one sale.
Ridden ponies should not need to be clipped, but it is becoming difficult to work them without them sweating up, so obviously clipping is having to be an option and buyers are not necessarily going to want a clipped pony that they have to rug when they take pony home from sale. For us, and I know this doesn't affect many people, but 2 major breed sales within 5 days , instead of one 3 weeks before the other one, has now become a logistical nightmare as ponies going to both sales have had to be in.
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Post by Philippa on Sept 24, 2017 17:17:10 GMT
Fayre oaks has always been in September, and foals were weaned, remember at hereford loads of foals were weaned and looked well, moving the date has affected foal show entries, clashing with heritage championship , I think the dwindling numbers is due to several factors including less breeding and also the entry fees for fayre oaks for foals, breeders are selling at other sales especially when other sale entries range from £5 per pony (£3) for welsh a foals at one sale. Ridden ponies should not need to be clipped, but it is becoming difficult to work them without them sweating up, so obviously clipping is having to be an option and buyers are not necessarily going to want a clipped pony that they have to rug when they take pony home from sale. For us, and I know this doesn't affect many people, but 2 major breed sales within 5 days , instead of one 3 weeks before the other one, has now become a logistical nightmare as ponies going to both sales have had to be in. Totally agree Monsoon I’m glad it’s not just me |
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Post by monsoon on Sept 24, 2017 17:26:32 GMT
Fayre oaks has always been in September, and foals were weaned, remember at hereford loads of foals were weaned and looked well, moving the date has affected foal show entries, clashing with heritage championship , I think the dwindling numbers is due to several factors including less breeding and also the entry fees for fayre oaks for foals, breeders are selling at other sales especially when other sale entries range from £5 per pony (£3) for welsh a foals at one sale. Ridden ponies should not need to be clipped, but it is becoming difficult to work them without them sweating up, so obviously clipping is having to be an option and buyers are not necessarily going to want a clipped pony that they have to rug when they take pony home from sale. For us, and I know this doesn't affect many people, but 2 major breed sales within 5 days , instead of one 3 weeks before the other one, has now become a logistical nightmare as ponies going to both sales have had to be in. Totally agree Monsoon I’m glad it’s not just me Everyone we have spoken to has same opinion, have not spoken to anyone in favour of the change |
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Post by delbel on Sept 24, 2017 18:35:33 GMT
I've just noticed from next year hay sale will always be September therefore being one if the first, the dates for FO and cob sales also confirmed so the changes a Look set to stay |
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Post by Philippa on Sept 24, 2017 19:05:49 GMT
Yes I was told that Catrin had wanted it moved to encourage more foals. I think it's a shame, there are plenty of foals and not everyone wants one. They should be encouraging a wide mix of ponies and to clash with a major champs show is crackers when they are promoting a sale of exactly those ponies. The high flyers quality is bound to suffer. High flyers should be for the creme de la creme, proven ponies either in the ring or as breeders.
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Post by kareen on Sept 25, 2017 18:46:54 GMT
Just had a quick zoom through the catalog and am quite shocked with the changes of both the collection of ponies on sale and also the fees. While I am all for giving it a fair chance it's a bit too much change for my liking It's bad enough not to hear Terry C.'s voice with the bell anymore. Maybe I am a bit sore and overly sentimental but the catalog does not feel the same this year. I hope I will be wrong. |
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it's getting more and more expensive with diesel parking hook up etc plus 10% buyers commission, I bought my medal winner at clywd sale last year, the quality has vastly improved in the last couple of years, so for FO I might just stop at home and watch on the live stream lol