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Post by haaaaanandcaspian on Apr 30, 2018 7:00:32 GMT
Hi Everyone,
Looking for a bit of advice, my chestnut ISH has come in yesterday with little pink/white spots on his usually dark grey muzzle.. any ideas?
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Post by Philippa on Apr 30, 2018 7:08:33 GMT
Yeah mine has come out too lol. Can't help with the answer but hopefully someone can.
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Post by bugs on Apr 30, 2018 8:19:47 GMT
My section D has equine vitiligo, which started like this was when he was younger (6/7 years). If i didn’t use a mask/sun cream/herbal supplements he would go completely pink on his muzzle, round his eyes, under his tail etc. Rossdales didn’t know why they suddenly get it but links to welsh/Arab lines, clover filled fields and alfafa are all thought to play a part.
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Post by gillwales on Apr 30, 2018 8:31:15 GMT
I was going to suggest using a high factor waterproof sunblock. I doubt you will do any harm.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Apr 30, 2018 10:18:34 GMT
My section D has equine vitiligo, which started like this was when he was younger (6/7 years). If i didn’t use a mask/sun cream/herbal supplements he would go completely pink on his muzzle, round his eyes, under his tail etc. Rossdales didn’t know why they suddenly get it but links to welsh/Arab lines, clover filled fields and alfafa are all thought to play a part. Spot on "Bugs" - Pollen of any sort - including grazing amongst 'early flowering' buttercups. We used to use Udder Cream (the gungy yellow stuff) but they no longer manufacture it. Still can buy Udder Cream from any Farm outlet, but it is white. Presumably does the same and is considerably cheaper than human stuff, a little goes a long way! |
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Post by haaaaanandcaspian on Apr 30, 2018 10:35:52 GMT
My section D has equine vitiligo, which started like this was when he was younger (6/7 years). If i didn’t use a mask/sun cream/herbal supplements he would go completely pink on his muzzle, round his eyes, under his tail etc. Rossdales didn’t know why they suddenly get it but links to welsh/Arab lines, clover filled fields and alfafa are all thought to play a part. Spot on "Bugs" - Pollen of any sort - including grazing amongst 'early flowering' buttercups. We used to use Udder Cream (the gungy yellow stuff) but they no longer manufacture it. Still can buy Udder Cream from any Farm outlet, but it is white. Presumably does the same and is considerably cheaper than human stuff, a little goes a long way! Ahh thankyou thats useful to know. He's 6 and it didnt happen to him last year so i was just a bit confused! Ill get some cream and see if that works  |
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Post by Philippa on Apr 30, 2018 12:36:08 GMT
What can you use to bring the pigment back?? Mine has currently gone round his eyes & muzzle. Just wondered if we can feed anything to promote colour or stop him losing pigment
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Post by haggismarmite on Apr 30, 2018 13:23:25 GMT
Sometimes pigment loss can be associated with a copper deficiency. Though there are other causes it’s worth considering.
Our Connie lost pigment on his muzzle and around his eyes in spots, as well as under his dock, it was lessened by a supplement whose name I can’t remember I’m afraid, and suncream. It never entirely went but it did improve and I do know a couple of others that had even better results with it.
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Post by haaaaanandcaspian on Apr 30, 2018 13:27:52 GMT
Sometimes pigment loss can be associated with a copper deficiency. Though there are other causes it’s worth considering. Our Connie lost pigment on his muzzle and around his eyes in spots, as well as under his dock, it was lessened by a supplement whose name I can’t remember I’m afraid, and suncream. It never entirely went but it did improve and I do know a couple of others that had even better results with it. I did read that online about the copper deficiency and wondered if there were any supplements which could help, something to look into i think  |
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Post by haggismarmite on Apr 30, 2018 14:05:12 GMT
Remembered it was from Horse First and called Cuppra.
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Post by Philippa on Apr 30, 2018 14:23:16 GMT
Ah thank you
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Post by comanchediva on Apr 30, 2018 15:00:33 GMT
Cupra contains quite a high amount of copper and can only be fed for a maximum 30 days at a time. I would have my horse's copper levels tested before feeding Cupra as a remedy for vitiligo. Seaweed apparently helps but I've never seen any evidence of it having an effect. If it is vitiligo then exposure to sunlight will make it worse but it will change all the time - the pigment will come back when there is less sunlight and get worse as the weather becomes sunnier. Winter sunlight will have an effect but not as much.
In my experience the pigment never comes back completely but is better/worse at different times of the year.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Apr 30, 2018 16:24:29 GMT
Pigment - colour - try feeding NAF's Seaweed granules.
Most feed outlets stock it. Can either feed it loose in a separate manger, so they can help themselves ad-lib when they feel the need of it . . . or just add some to each feed.
The good thing about a basic Mineral or Trace Element is that if the body needs it, it utilises it and if not, the substance is just expelled (urine/faeces). Can be used all year round.
I also breed & show Suffolk Sheep which have black heads and legs. As has been said above, the pigment/colour problem can be caused by copper deficiency. Sheep cannot ingest copper (other than by 'bolus'. So many parts of the UK are copper deficient. By this feeding method, I do not to have to go through the hassle of giving them the copper boluses via the bolus 'gun'.
A few years ago I rented a field 8 miles away which clearly was copper deficient, the top of their heads became 'brown' in just a few weeks.
Fed ad-lib seaweed - heads miraculously came black again! Same applies to black ponies . . .
Anyone with a big yard, NAF does sell it in 25kg sacks which works out a huge amount cheaper than the little plastic bags. My supplier (Carrs Billington) got it in for me and now the local racing yards have copied!
it's cheap 'n cheery, but it works. Improvers their skin & general well-being, too.
Good luck.
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Post by leevale on Apr 30, 2018 18:27:08 GMT
One of my ponies has ever increasing pink spots round her lips and eyes. They almost completely disappear when fed a feed balancer, and come back when she is just on grass.
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Post by bugs on Apr 30, 2018 21:16:33 GMT
We think the best thing to stop the loss of pigmentation is the masks that have the face painted on it. He wears it all summer unless he is in the shade.
He always has sun cream on factor 50 all over his muzzle. His pigmentation comes back in the winter and he returns to black. If I am very careful from March onwards I can limit the loss of pigmentation hugely but never stop it altogether.
Our Spanish vet also recommended Aconite 200c which we used for 2 years in the summer and it had an amazing reduction on his pink patches. We now don’t need it but would use it again if it got bad. Have photos to evidence if you want to PM.
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Post by baileybob on May 2, 2018 13:59:21 GMT
My chestnut cob started with the same a week or so ago. A friend who has Arabs who are prone to vitiligo swears by Codlivine, which has a strong copper content, so I am going to give that a try, along with a full face mask on bright days (if they ever return...)
Recently my horse has switched field and had a reduction in feed for summer, losing a cereal based mash he had over winter and now only on a fibre based feed, so I could attribute the change to either the sun, the field or a change in feed, if it’s the latter, hopefully the Codlivine will help.
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Post by justliloldme on May 4, 2018 4:42:48 GMT
Get Liver checked, mine went to horspital for something un related, he lost pigment and was found to have quite a liver issue  |
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