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Post by Without fear or favour on Apr 23, 2019 7:54:55 GMT
To compete at affiliated shows all mountain and Moorland ponies must be licensed with their breed society
How are stallions getting away with competing at the higher level such as Hoys / RIHS etc and getting away with it , isn’t it policed at all?
It has been bought to my attention of several stallions competing unlicensed but more so one attended hoys , should the relevant societies be made aware ? If so what could or would be done?
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Post by gillwales on Apr 23, 2019 10:01:58 GMT
They should put the licence number down on the entry form, or that is one way to sort it. How do you know that they are not licenced?
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Post by Jessica on Apr 23, 2019 10:49:28 GMT
I don’t remember ever having to quote my stallions licence number for HOYS entry... (he is licenced though!)
I assume you mean ridden HOYS, as for example WPCS require them licenced from 4yo, so you could compete a 3 year old colt in the Cuddy without a licence.
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Post by forester on Apr 23, 2019 13:02:17 GMT
Under most breed society rules stallions 4 years and over can not compete at affiliated level unless licensed Each society is different so rules would need to be check for each breed
It would be impossible for show secretaries to check every animals eligibility especially with entries on the day.
Grassroots for each society tell you the stallions license number - it would be blank if not licensed
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Post by mcnaughty on May 30, 2019 17:25:09 GMT
As all passports are being checked for flu jabs currently I assume the passports of stallions could be checked for registration?
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Post by gillwales on May 30, 2019 20:24:09 GMT
Well lets put it this way, it would not take a lot for a licence number to be added to an entry form. Those that win or get placed names get passed onto a society if affiliated; therefore if someone did show an unlicensed stallion, and I wonder why anyone would keep an unlicensed stallion, it would come to light.
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Post by comanchediva on May 30, 2019 20:33:19 GMT
Mcnaughty not one show I've attended so far this year has checked my passports for flu jabs.
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Post by sarahp on Jun 9, 2019 6:09:24 GMT
Gillwales I believe many these days keep a stallion for ridden showing with no intention of using it at stud, so maybe want to avoid the licensing fees?
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Post by gillwales on Jun 9, 2019 14:15:15 GMT
Gillwales I believe many these days keep a stallion for ridden showing with no intention of using it at stud, so maybe want to avoid the licensing fees? Then that is really unfair on these boys. Like keeping a child in a sweet shop and not giving it any chocolate.
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Post by comanchediva on Jun 9, 2019 19:32:51 GMT
Gillwales I believe many these days keep a stallion for ridden showing with no intention of using it at stud, so maybe want to avoid the licensing fees? Every schedule states that stallions and colts should be licenced in accordance with their breed society rules so regardless of whether they're covering they should be licenced.
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Post by gillwales on Jun 10, 2019 21:08:13 GMT
That's what I thought, along with the bits and age of riders and handlers
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Jun 11, 2019 4:11:36 GMT
Gillwales I believe many these days keep a stallion for ridden showing with no intention of using it at stud, so maybe want to avoid the licensing fees? Every schedule states that stallions and colts should be licenced in accordance with their breed society rules so regardless of whether they're covering they should be licenced. Does every society state that every stallion must be licensed - I thought that some of them only had to be licensed to be used as a sire?
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Post by forester on Jun 13, 2019 12:39:57 GMT
Every schedule states that stallions and colts should be licenced in accordance with their breed society rules so regardless of whether they're covering they should be licenced. Does every society state that every stallion must be licensed - I thought that some of them only had to be licensed to be used as a sire? Every society. Why wouldn’t you license your stallion - if it is a good enough example then pay and get it licenses
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Jun 13, 2019 20:28:06 GMT
Does every society state that every stallion must be licensed - I thought that some of them only had to be licensed to be used as a sire? Every society. Why wouldn’t you license your stallion - if it is a good enough example then pay and get it licenses I don't disagree with you - but I am asking the question, does every society ask for every single stallion to be licensed?
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Post by gillwales on Jun 14, 2019 5:43:48 GMT
So far has I am aware. It is not in a Society's interest for a stallion or colt to be shown that is not licenced as it is presumed that it will be bred from.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Jun 18, 2019 17:16:54 GMT
So far has I am aware. It is not in a Society's interest for a stallion or colt to be shown that is not licenced as it is presumed that it will be bred from. As I said before - I am not disagreeing - I am just asking the question. I am fairly certain that the Shetland pony society make it voluntary though advisable to have them licensed from my memory of when we used to be involved with the Shetland Pony sales. I know CHAPS and BSPA stallions both have to be graded. However, to go back to the initial post which asked should they be reported, if someone is knowingly breaking the rules, yes, something should be done about it.
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