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Post by Jack in the box on Dec 26, 2019 20:17:53 GMT
Any judges like dun ponies and what do they look for To me I don’t think they are liked in the show ring.
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Post by thelwell on Dec 27, 2019 6:53:37 GMT
Dun is a colour not a type or a breed so they are judged just the same as a bay or a grey. ponies are judged for their suitability for the class that they are competing in. Conformation,type, freedom of action, manners, way of going and breed type in a mountain and moorland class are the criteria on which they are judged on. Never the colour. There is an old saying that a horse is never a bad colour and I have found this to be very true.
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Post by lovebird on Dec 27, 2019 7:36:54 GMT
Agree with thelwell, my personal opinion is, a dun stands out among the other colours.
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Post by gillwales on Dec 27, 2019 11:20:17 GMT
Colour is totally immaterial to conformation, type, way of going etc. You may politely ask a Judge for advice at the end of a class if you need to be aware of faults in your pony.
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Post by Jack in the box on Dec 27, 2019 13:22:33 GMT
Thanks for reply’s I know all that what you both said. It’s just I find a lot it judges and people don’t like duns.
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Post by janetbushell on Dec 27, 2019 16:25:08 GMT
Thanks for reply’s I know all that what you both said. It’s just I find a lot it judges and people don’t like duns. If you "know all that" then I would humbly suggest there may be another aspect of your animal which the judge finds slightly less appealing on the day, when comparing it to the other animals.
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Post by Jack in the box on Dec 27, 2019 16:33:53 GMT
Haven’t shown it yet!
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Post by janetbushell on Dec 27, 2019 18:37:10 GMT
So obviously , with all this new information, you will have no worries when starting your animal's show career
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Post by sarahp on Dec 27, 2019 19:31:56 GMT
I do so agree that that is how it ought to be. But I have a story to tell. I have a very nice, beautifully bred welsh A stallion but - he is cremello. A friend has a lovely colt by him that I bred, also cremello, and took him in a Welsh A IH class. He was placed at the bottom of the class, and the judge (no I don't know who it was) told the owner that he was very nice and would have been placed much higher if it wasn't for his colour.
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Post by sarahp on Dec 27, 2019 19:37:17 GMT
A separate point. Being a boring scientist with a long time interest in equine colour genetics, I know that most so called duns around are actually buckskin, ie bay with one copy of the diluting cream gene, and not actually dun at all. True dun is a completely different dilution gene which dilutes all other colours, not just the fed pigment as cream does, and is found in the northern native breeds - Norwegian Fjords, Shetlands, Highlands and Icelandic ponies. The odd one is found elsewhere, most likely by crossing with one of these breeds at some point. And buckskin is not, as is often said, an American term, we used it over here first.
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Post by leevale on Dec 28, 2019 6:52:44 GMT
Any judges like dun ponies and what do they look for To me I don’t think they are liked in the show ring. The British Palomino society run classes specifically for cream dilutes (not just palominos), it is worth having a look at their website. Most show classes are judged on conformation, type and performance, not colour, so a good dun or buckskin should have the same chance as any other good pony.
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Post by gillwales on Dec 28, 2019 10:31:20 GMT
I'm not sure that you should. I'm not sure that you should join in with showing. You seem to be the type that will enter with the wrong attitude.
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Post by Jack in the box on Dec 28, 2019 12:53:33 GMT
Thank you gillwales I take on board your advice l haven’t got a attitude I have been showing for over 30years. The question to start with if judges like duns in my country level experience not a lot do !!
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Post by Ignore her on Dec 28, 2019 14:40:27 GMT
I'm not sure that you should. I'm not sure that you should join in with showing. You seem to be the type that will enter with the wrong attitude. Just ignore her, she’s obviously had a bad Christmas as this is a low blow even by her standards. Good luck with your Dun, some judges like them and others not so, take a look at the success the Hood show team have had with their palomino riding horse.
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Post by Jack in the box on Dec 28, 2019 15:00:55 GMT
Thank you for kind words.
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Post by Jack in the box on Dec 29, 2019 13:32:17 GMT
Thanks but gillwales means nothing to me what she has to say.We all know she has a opinion on everything so we laugh about her. Also she doesn’t know everything like us all. Being nasty to me just shows what kind of person she is. I find it really funny that’s the horse/ showing world for you.
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Post by gillwales on Jan 14, 2020 14:45:35 GMT
Thanks but gillwales means nothing to me what she has to say.We all know she has a opinion on everything so we laugh about her. Also she doesn’t know everything like us all. Being nasty to me just shows what kind of person she is. I find it really funny that’s the horse/ showing world for you. Considering your earlier comments I find yours ridiculous. No horse or pony is perfect. Showing is objective, therefore if you enter a class you have to accept that. I certainly have never come across a Judge who has said they dislike duns, this is your claim. You have never considered that the dun had faults a Judge did not find acceptable. What I have frequently posted against are these mindless and unsubstantiated claims nearly all are posted behind faceless people who post has guests. Making someone smile is the greatest gift a person can give another
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