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Post by CarolineNelson on Jan 24, 2020 7:48:57 GMT
I don't think the 'general public' need to know where equines have been measured but actually, it's an interesting point now with it all online that it's more difficult for a new owner to know where they can go for subsequent height certs based on where previous ones have been done. I'm presuming a phone call or email to the JMB would give the information required though. With reference to my earlier comment, I'd like to see some kind of map or ability to find your most local measuring pads function on the website. I live on the border of 4 counties and 3 of those have no measurers anymore so it can be difficult to then search down the list for the other counties to work out where else one can go for subsequent measuring. Whilst I agree, there is not a physical 'map', the official Measurers are listed by County and with the 'town' location, so unless one's geography is appalling, locating a venue shouldn't be too arduous. After all, we do so when seeking shows to go to - and most of us are able to use Google-map! Edited to add: SJW87 - I believe I'm correct in guessing that you live in middle England as, by your description, you are landlocked. Given the M6 and M1 corridors, there are a good selection of Measuring facilities in the entire region and especially up the M6 corridor. Those who chose to live on the extremities of the UK are less well served - but there again, they are familiar with travelling if they desire to compete at 'big' functions. So, whilst expecting a facility on your very doorstep, spare a thought for those who, for hypothetical example, reside in Thurso or Truro and who undertake these (albeit delightfully scenic!) journeys routinely to see the bigger world! I would reiterate on behalf of the JMB, that the Board has no wish to INCREASE the number of measuring facilities and regularly audits those which are annually approved.
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Post by sjw87 on Jan 24, 2020 16:50:15 GMT
Just to clarify that I'm not trying to be difficult; actually trying to show that there may be genuine reasons why equines seem to travel a distance as they uphold the rules for subsequent measurements etc. They may also have a pony with a producer away from home when measured so to the outside eye, it may look on paper as though the equine has gone from home to a measuring pad miles away, which may actually be just down the road from where the pony actually was at the time.
As with people dragging horses and ponies all over the country to show under their preferred judges, there will be a handful of people who try to be underhand with measuring but I do genuinely believe that the JMB's work to clamp down on it and audit/strike off as required is working.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jan 24, 2020 18:12:43 GMT
Just to clarify that I'm not trying to be difficult; actually trying to show that there may be genuine reasons why equines seem to travel a distance as they uphold the rules for subsequent measurements etc. They may also have a pony with a producer away from home when measured so to the outside eye, it may look on paper as though the equine has gone from home to a measuring pad miles away, which may actually be just down the road from where the pony actually was at the time. As with people dragging horses and ponies all over the country to show under their preferred judges, there will be a handful of people who try to be underhand with measuring but I do genuinely believe that the JMB's work to clamp down on it and audit/strike off as required is working. Thank you! The Board will be pleased to hear that at least some people appreciate the effort involved to try to create (and here, please pardon the pun!) a level playing field for all. As to your second sentence, to clarify, when an application for measurement is made on-line, the producer, racing trainer etc.'s name has to be given as 'Agent' for the absent Owner, so if an animal really IS genuinely at training livery, this is seen and acknowledged.
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Post by Sharon Allen on Feb 10, 2020 13:37:48 GMT
Am I being naive in saying this maybe so but if it was just the registered owner that could present a pony for measuring surely we wouldn't have some of these situations discussed where people pay a producer or professional to measure for them. For example the registered owner must be shown on the passport and the owners personal travel passport or photo ID be shown before the horse is measured by the VET. If they didn't marry up then pony could not be measured I know this sounds to straightforward so please correct me why if there isn't going to be a problem with a ponies height do we need to send them to a professional?? by the way you can tell ive never had to go through this ive always managed to buy ponies with LHC One of my ponies was taken to be measured by my producer last week, (and measured in easily as I knew he would.) However, I would have had to have a day off work to travel with the pony, adding even more expense to an already expensive hobby. When you pay for the measuring, you state on the form who will be handling the pony, so I'm not sure what the owner accompanying the pony would achieve? Not quite as easy as that You can only measure through the week, all holiday dates taken for showing, sometimes need someone else to take and not just the person named as owner. Can’t just take time off when ever,
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Post by CarolineNelson on Feb 19, 2020 21:44:21 GMT
One of my ponies was taken to be measured by my producer last week, (and measured in easily as I knew he would.) However, I would have had to have a day off work to travel with the pony, adding even more expense to an already expensive hobby. When you pay for the measuring, you state on the form who will be handling the pony, so I'm not sure what the owner accompanying the pony would achieve? Not quite as easy as that You can only measure through the week, all holiday dates taken for showing, sometimes need someone else to take and not just the person named as owner. Can’t just take time off when ever, There are some Measurers who are willing to measure on a weekday evening or even a Saturday morning. There is no harm in asking!
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Post by If it were that easy on Feb 21, 2020 7:13:20 GMT
And there are some who only measure on a Wednesday and Thursday morning!!!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Feb 23, 2020 21:12:33 GMT
And there are some who only measure on a Wednesday and Thursday morning!!! Measuring Vets offer a service. They do not 'earn' significantly from Measuring. They fit it in as part of their professional day - and we should be grateful to those who trouble to do so. The meagre fee for an annual or full measuring barely covers the administration, effort and precision. Before further comments are made, a Certificate lasts a year for an Annual - or of course considerably more if it is a Full Certificate, so is remarkably good value. Many use that paltry sum up socially, say - a meal out - a few rounds of drinks - without a second thought! If a Measurer prefers a certain day or time of day for measuring, that will be to co-ordinate with the needs of their Veterinary Practice (which obviously is the first consideration) and will benefit animal/s coming for measuring, as this will be undertaken at the Practice's quietest times.
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Post by If it were that easy on Feb 24, 2020 4:33:32 GMT
And there are some who only measure on a Wednesday and Thursday morning!!! Measuring Vets offer a service. They do not 'earn' significantly from Measuring. They fit it in as part of their professional day - and we should be grateful to those who trouble to do so. The meagre fee for an annual or full measuring barely covers the administration, effort and precision. Before further comments are made, a Certificate lasts a year for an Annual - or of course considerably more if it is a Full Certificate, so is remarkably good value. Many use that paltry sum up socially, say - a meal out - a few rounds of drinks - without a second thought! If a Measurer prefers a certain day or time of day for measuring, that will be to co-ordinate with the needs of their Veterinary Practice (which obviously is the first consideration) and will benefit animal/s coming for measuring, as this will be undertaken at the Practice's quietest times. I'm very aware of the points you make in response to my comment. My point was in response to other comments in this thread which appear to believe that some people have a motive when travelling long distances to have their animal measured. As you quite rightly say, measuring vets are fitting in this service around the rest of their practice which will limit the times/days available in which to have your animal measured. I'm not aware of any who measure at the weekend but as I haven't been in contact with every vet on the panel I stand to be corrected!
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Post by If it were that easy on Feb 24, 2020 4:40:43 GMT
And there are some who only measure on a Wednesday and Thursday morning!!! Measuring Vets offer a service. They do not 'earn' significantly from Measuring. They fit it in as part of their professional day - and we should be grateful to those who trouble to do so. The meagre fee for an annual or full measuring barely covers the administration, effort and precision. Before further comments are made, a Certificate lasts a year for an Annual - or of course considerably more if it is a Full Certificate, so is remarkably good value. Many use that paltry sum up socially, say - a meal out - a few rounds of drinks - without a second thought! If a Measurer prefers a certain day or time of day for measuring, that will be to co-ordinate with the needs of their Veterinary Practice (which obviously is the first consideration) and will benefit animal/s coming for measuring, as this will be undertaken at the Practice's quietest times. Some practices don't have a "quiet time" and the space they use is unsuitable for a nervous horse. The "paltry sum" we pay to have our animals measured comes out of our hard earned wages and along with a morning/day off work plus fuel a quiet space in which to carry out a measure doesn't seem too much to ask for. And please don't start about practising at home, this type of environment cannot be replicated.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Feb 24, 2020 11:31:57 GMT
Measuring Vets offer a service. They do not 'earn' significantly from Measuring. They fit it in as part of their professional day - and we should be grateful to those who trouble to do so. The meagre fee for an annual or full measuring barely covers the administration, effort and precision. Before further comments are made, a Certificate lasts a year for an Annual - or of course considerably more if it is a Full Certificate, so is remarkably good value. Many use that paltry sum up socially, say - a meal out - a few rounds of drinks - without a second thought! If a Measurer prefers a certain day or time of day for measuring, that will be to co-ordinate with the needs of their Veterinary Practice (which obviously is the first consideration) and will benefit animal/s coming for measuring, as this will be undertaken at the Practice's quietest times. Some practices don't have a "quiet time" and the space they use is unsuitable for a nervous horse. The "paltry sum" we pay to have our animals measured comes out of our hard earned wages and along with a morning/day off work plus fuel a quiet space in which to carry out a measure doesn't seem too much to ask for. And please don't start about practising at home, this type of environment cannot be replicated. Good morning! If you've recently had a bad experience and are uncomfortable about the conditions at a Measuring facility, please contact the JMB office directly with your concerns. You speak as if you are referring to more than one Practice; we audit them all, a minimum of every four years (that timescale in line with the RVC's audits) but undertake interim inspections if necessary. So, it would be very, very helpful to know the premises which concern you. I would have suggested that, if you preferred, you sent me a private message, but unfortunately you have come on this site as a "guest". Thank you, in advance. Regarding your comment / costs - it's a sad but realistic fact that most people have to utilise part of their 'hard earned wages' in order to fund and enjoy our chosen game, myself included (pension, in my case!).
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Post by CarolineNelson on Feb 24, 2020 11:39:40 GMT
Measuring Vets offer a service. They do not 'earn' significantly from Measuring. They fit it in as part of their professional day - and we should be grateful to those who trouble to do so. The meagre fee for an annual or full measuring barely covers the administration, effort and precision. Before further comments are made, a Certificate lasts a year for an Annual - or of course considerably more if it is a Full Certificate, so is remarkably good value. Many use that paltry sum up socially, say - a meal out - a few rounds of drinks - without a second thought! If a Measurer prefers a certain day or time of day for measuring, that will be to co-ordinate with the needs of their Veterinary Practice (which obviously is the first consideration) and will benefit animal/s coming for measuring, as this will be undertaken at the Practice's quietest times. I'm very aware of the points you make in response to my comment. My point was in response to other comments in this thread which appear to believe that some people have a motive when travelling long distances to have their animal measured. As you quite rightly say, measuring vets are fitting in this service around the rest of their practice which will limit the times/days available in which to have your animal measured. I'm not aware of any who measure at the weekend but as I haven't been in contact with every vet on the panel I stand to be corrected! The alternative, of course, which would massively elevate the cost due to the logistics involved, would be to do as in Eire and have 'Centres'. Naturally this option has been discussed. Responses such as yours show the very real reason why this option has not been taken further. At present there are 92 Measuring Vets nationwide, who have access to 89 Approved Measuring Pads, geographically spread throughout the UK Mainland, plus the Channel Islands, the Isle of Wight, the Isle of Man and of course NI.
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